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#1 Jan 19 2009 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes it will be nice to be able to do dailies in a timely fashion. But I'm predicting a free for all where everyone is rolling on all gear. I'm going to be seriuosly pissed with dps rolling on healing gear. They'll say oh healing (holy/resto etc) is my off spec. It just seems like it will increase the number of runs it will take to get something.
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#2 Jan 19 2009 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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People are invited to a group to fill a specific role - tank/dps/healing - which, unless otherwise agreed on, will be their main spec for that particular run. Dual spec won't change the amount of people who are going to roll on off spec gear. The people who are going to do that, are probably already doing it now.
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#3 Jan 19 2009 at 9:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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People are invited to a group to fill a specific role - tank/dps/healing - which, unless otherwise agreed on, will be their main spec for that particular run. Dual spec won't change the amount of people who are going to roll on off spec gear. The people who are going to do that, are probably already doing it now.


This. And if someone rolls on for an offspec during a raid (or any run for that matter), and we know what their main spec is, they're going to be immediately kicked from the raid. Simple as that.
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#4 Jan 19 2009 at 9:40 AM Rating: Default
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Some people are just greedy. Alot of people want to roll on a item just because they can equip it. I ended up losing the off-hand in heroic nexus for casters to a warlock with a 2h staff. He asked if he could need because someday he might decide to use a 1h weapon. I said I don't think thats very fair because I can use it now and another person in group agreed. He his need anyways and won and kept apologizing later claiming he didn't know. He had plenty of time to read the responses. I just said whatever added him to ignore and went on. Ended up getting the epic badge bought off-hand out of dalaran a couple of days later anyways.
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Yes it will be nice to be able to do dailies in a timely fashion. But I'm predicting a free for all where everyone is rolling on all gear. I'm going to be seriuosly pissed with dps rolling on healing gear. They'll say oh healing (holy/resto etc) is my off spec. It just seems like it will increase the number of runs it will take to get something.
And that's different from now how? Right now, even without dual specs, a dps can still roll on say, tanking or healing gear, because they may one day suddenly decide to be a tank or healer (whether they do or not is a different matter). There are those that may be building an off-spec gear set (ie - I have a set of gear on my druid for feral even though I'm resto, and I've got a gear set for tanking on my paladin even though he's ret), and for me I only greed those items, giving the person who's actually taking that role the priority in needing.

I really don't see it making things any worse. It's been that way for a while with some people, and it would've continued with or without dual spec.
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#6 Jan 19 2009 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I do not see an issue. If anything it will allow for more options when forming groups.. There are many times a piece will drop and no one needs it and someone asks if they can roll of off-spec. I don't see things changing much in the case of loot.

Unless you mean less to DE then yes I would agree we would see less shards.
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#7 Jan 19 2009 at 10:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm going to be seriuosly pissed with dps rolling on healing gear.


The vast majority of DPS are DPS because they have zero inclination to be healers - that doesn't mean that you wont have some punks grabbing at healer gear that they simply intent to merchant or DE later, but rest assured that it'll be a very rare DPS who wants a healer set.

The more common result will actually be healers rolling on tank/dps gear since the off spec is something that they'll actually use.

Even then, most of those types already have off set outfits.

Nah, I see nothing but good for the most part comming from the duel spec option - more people will roll tank and healing classes as mains since it will now be cheap and simple to swap specs for soloing and some people will set up tank/heal alt specs with their DPS toons so that they can take those jobs in a pinch.

In other words, the number of tanks and healers should increase and that's a good thing.
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I agree w/ rustle. We have a pally in our guild who runs as ret. That's his favorite spec. But, somehow, he has not managed to get a single thing from Naxx for his main spec. However, there are a lot of times (KT especially) when we need another healer. No problem, he HAS actually gotten quite a few healing pieces that were going to be sharded otherwise. Ret heals ftw! :) He doesn't really like healing while spec'd ret, but he's still good at it. If he could respec real quicklike, he'd be godly.

And once our mages/spriests are all decked out, I actually plan to roll on some of the pieces with more haste so I'll have a frost set for 5mans/farming/Gluth, even though my gear is probably fine for frost already. :)

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My paladin currently has 2 full sets of gear, when I run with my group I am holy and I get top choice on any healing gear so my holy set is pretty good. The ONLY time I ever get a ret piece is when it is not an upgrade for someones main spec, and then it is automatic upgrades always come before shards. When the dual specs come out this will not change for us but we have a really tight group for 5 mans.
#10 Jan 19 2009 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I pretty much agree with everyone here. If you go into a instance/raid as a spec, that is then the spec you should be rolling on. There's plenty of time to pick up off spec stuff and most people realize that. Hell, I have never been into a raid on my shaman as any spec besides resto. But I have 5/5 valorous resto set, 4/5 heroes 1/5 valorous enh set, and 3/5 heroes ele set. Granted it's a little easier to get offspec stuff with the WG raid, but I have only got 3 pieces out of there with the other 10 tokens coming from naxx.

If a guild wants to progress then they know that having people gear up as their main spec will end up helping the guild more. And soon enough people will realize that if they want to keep getting invites to groups/raids, that they can't roll on something simply because they can spec into using it.

Edited, Jan 20th 2009 12:32am by DarkHybridX
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#11 Jan 19 2009 at 11:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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As a lot of people have mentioned previously, I don't think that an awful lot will change. People will still be greedy. " Oh, but I can use that for my off-spec, that I may choose to use, at some undetermined point in the future so I'm rolling need on it" OK, in that case I may or may not choose to tank for you in the future- take a guess which I'm leaning towards.

As a Tank specced Palladin I will roll need on any plate armour, provided it's an upgrade. I don't touch Ret gear ( still have a deeply ingrained mindset of 'lolret'). If upgraded healing plate drops, I will ask the group if I may roll greed on it, for my occasionally used healing gear. If no-one needs it, I will generally trade a quarter of the value of the shard that would have resluted from a DE. This way, I get an upgrade for my offspec, and the people I am pugged with don't think me a greedy loot ***** ( I hope).

One of my guildmates, a Death Knight, rolled need on a pair of Tanking legs- Violet Hold ones, I think. A very, very slight upgrade- a whole +1 def point sort of deal. I didn't go bananas over this, curse him out over vent, or party chat. Oh, no. So much more satisfying when the said guildie is also ones housemate, and I could lean a little to the left and belt him upside the head with a rolled up newspaper- " Bad Guildie, no biscuit".

But no, I don't anticipate any changes with dual- speccing. Unless of course Blizzard can change the way that people act with the advantage of net-anonymity. * Holds breath.....*

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Edited, Jan 20th 2009 2:45am by SnorriMc
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#12 Jan 20 2009 at 12:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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You want to have a spec purely for duels?

It's called DUAL spec!
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#15 Jan 20 2009 at 3:44 AM Rating: Good
I don't think the Duel spec will be that big of a issue. Honestly, your invited to a group based on w/e role your currently filling. If a DK rolls need on a tanking item without asking for off-spec, then they find themselves hearthing or running for the exit because they were tossed. Same goes for DPS ganking healing gear and vice versa.

The same rules apply as they always have. Explain the looting before entering (which I will admit that I forget to do that alot lol), and find out if there is an enchanter of sufficient level to D/E any loot that isn't wanted. I have personally never been ninja'd on any item on or off spec, but it could happen one day.
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#16 Jan 20 2009 at 4:04 AM Rating: Good
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If you go into a instance/raid as a spec, that is then the spec you should be rolling on.
I know most of you won't agree with me on this, but this really isn't that fair.
I'm a druid, feral spec and level 63, but if I pug something that needs me to be the healer why does that preclude me from rolling on tank or dps gear? I want to shift to resto later, why does that mean if I join a pug as tank so that I actually get into the instance I can't roll on healing gear?
As long as you've mentioned it at the start of the run and very clearly stated that you will roll on those items I don't see why it is a problem.
If you don't like it then I guess I'll have to find another pug.
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#17 Jan 20 2009 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, Slightlysober, I believe we had a short rash of topics on the subject of rolling for 'offspec' and what is considered your main spec not too long ago.
We decided that, as long as the issue is discussed before hand, things are gravy one way or the other.
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With or without dual spec, I personally have not and will not roll against a tank or healer when I dps. Period.

Thus, my moonkin got a few pieces of her offspec tank gear (and some dps upgrades that are technically better for healing) only after confirming that the tank and healer didn't need them.

And I never had a problem with tanks/healers rolling against me on moonkin upgrades.

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#19 Jan 20 2009 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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You can agree to roll for offspecs but don't be surprised if your tank or healer or whoever bails. I don't want to do a run and have to compete with everyones maybe wanna be specs for gear.
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Need - Spec
Greed - Offspec(I normally say, anyone mind if I greed for offspec)
Pass - Sharded(no enchanter) roll for sell to vendor

Edited, Jan 20th 2009 2:06pm by Sheven
#21 Jan 20 2009 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
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If you are healing for a group I think it would be fine to roll on other gear if they know going in that healing is not your main spec. I think you should just make it clear before entering the instance.
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I was holy pala in AN HC and the caster belt dropped off the final boss. The dps pala rolled need on it and won it without saying anything beforehand. Then he was all like "I'm holy. Ask anyone. I just can't afford to respec at the moment".

Then there was the time in VoA when a dps paladin rolled for holy pvp trousers and won them. "I pvp as holy ask anyone".

I'm starting to see a pattern.

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The distraction makes posts difficult to read when a poster doesn't know the difference between "dual" and "duel"...
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