You do all understand the question wasn't "most underpopulated class," it was underutilitized -- as in their skills do not see full usage. Nobody appreciates them for what they are capable of. Whether or not there are many rogues or not was not the question. If the rogues there are get to do everything that rogues do, then they are perfectly well-utilized.
Right now, any class with CC is being under-utilized. Considering mages get used plenty and poly is the one popular form of CC, I'm going to have to lean toward hunter or warlock on this one. I'm biased in the matter because my main is a hunter, so I know exactly how they aren't being used, but I'm betting warlock is a more accurate answer. Shaman might be a pro pos as well.
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My answer stands for both population and utilization. The two things go hand-in-hand in some small way I think. I was mainly thinking of raid rosters when I answered.
Several PUG groups have turned my rogue down (even in 4pc heroic t7) because "no aoe" and I definitely don't see locks being appreciated like they used to be apart from summons to dalaran when people can't buy a port. PUGs are generally preferring mages and hunters from what I'm seeing and let's not even start with the poor druid tanks out there who seem to have been seriously neglected in many folks' minds.
Several PUG groups have turned my rogue down (even in 4pc heroic t7) because "no aoe" and I definitely don't see locks being appreciated like they used to be apart from summons to dalaran when people can't buy a port. PUGs are generally preferring mages and hunters from what I'm seeing and let's not even start with the poor druid tanks out there who seem to have been seriously neglected in many folks' minds.
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On my server, the active rogue population has fallen off dramatically. When they first hit 80, their DPS is frankly crappy, and they really don't even get decent until 25-man raid gear. Also, not many people bother using CC in dungeons/heroics at this point, so with crappy DPS and no need for CC I don't see anyone looking for rogues for instances.
Even for PvP, they seem to be much less desireable than they once were, and now any high-level Blacksmith can open any locked box or chest, so they aren't needed for that either.
Even for PvP, they seem to be much less desireable than they once were, and now any high-level Blacksmith can open any locked box or chest, so they aren't needed for that either.
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I've been seeing less and less rogues recently too, and TBH I can see why they are not as popular as they were before too. With CC being (almost) a thing of the past, one of their TBC handiest abilities is rendered useless. Seriously, on my prot pala I have not used CC once since Wotlk came out.
Shammies are also very scarce at the moment on my server, as they have always been, which is why I recently rolled one to level at a nice and easy slow pace.
Palas, druids, and DKs seem to be everywhere in my server too (Horde side). Funny. When I hit 70 there wasn't too many Paladins around, and with tanking sets being a pain to get in tbc far less prot paladins. Now it seems like every paladin I run into has respecced prot, including most of the paladin healers I have on friends list, so much that I stepped up my efforts to complete my healer set (still missing the Nexus mace, other than that complete) as soon as I started naxx tanking.
Shammies are also very scarce at the moment on my server, as they have always been, which is why I recently rolled one to level at a nice and easy slow pace.
Palas, druids, and DKs seem to be everywhere in my server too (Horde side). Funny. When I hit 70 there wasn't too many Paladins around, and with tanking sets being a pain to get in tbc far less prot paladins. Now it seems like every paladin I run into has respecced prot, including most of the paladin healers I have on friends list, so much that I stepped up my efforts to complete my healer set (still missing the Nexus mace, other than that complete) as soon as I started naxx tanking.
Underpopulated - rogues and boomkins
Underutilised - Disc Priests
(yes i know that's spec and not class, but still... :P )
We have loads of shammies in our guild, usually 4-5 on a 25man raid night :)
Underutilised - Disc Priests
(yes i know that's spec and not class, but still... :P )
We have loads of shammies in our guild, usually 4-5 on a 25man raid night :)
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Posted: Jan 07 2009 at 9:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Opinions are not needed when asking about a fact. I could ask for opinions on whether the law of gravity works, but it would be just as intelligent as the original poster's question. The question he posed was not "why are shamans underutilized?" - a legitimate question which would be worthy of discussion.
You aren't seeing rogues because they are broken. What skill does a rogue have that's needed in wotlk groups?
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Too bad there aren't more shammies kicking around. I played that quest for couple of years, and it was a blast! My favorit class so far.
Since the release of WOTLK, i have not see very many rogues, feral/resto druids, or warlocks. My main is a warlock and I found the lack of fellow locks to be a double-edged sword - It sucks to witness the decline of your class, but it does make getting into groups much easier since every pug heroic/raid group seems to be plate-heavy these days.
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You aren't seeing rogues because they are broken. What skill does a rogue have that's needed in wotlk groups?
Tell that to the priest I saved with a blind while one of the mobs from the waves in the Gothik fight got by the warrior and went over to destroy him. I agree rogues don't bring a whole lot as of right now, but to say they don't have any skills that are needed is a little overboard.
It isn't needed always, but anytime something comes up like that it is a great "out" to have.
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On Mok'Nathal, I'd say that server wide shamans are the most under-utilized class. This never really made sense to me given the utility that shamans bring to the raid. Oddly enough, while shammans are under-represented realm wide, they are represented strongly within my guild; we have five shamans that raid regularly.
Strangely enough mages seem to be the most under-represented class in my guild. We have a total of 3 mages at level 80 and only one of those three raids regularly. While every other guild seems to have an overabundance of mages.
Strangely enough mages seem to be the most under-represented class in my guild. We have a total of 3 mages at level 80 and only one of those three raids regularly. While every other guild seems to have an overabundance of mages.
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What do you think?
Instead of being pompous and pretentious, maybe you should go back and reread this OP, and then notice my comment partway up this page. YOU'RE ANSWERING THE WRONG QUESTION, MIKE. Warcraftrealms has nothing directly to do with being "underutilized." Vicariously, perhaps, but not directly. And incidentally, the question that is actually being asked is an opinion-based question, since it has no direct data value that applies to it.
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Grollog wrote:
You aren't seeing rogues because they are broken. What skill does a rogue have that's needed in wotlk groups?
Tell that to the priest I saved with a blind while one of the mobs from the waves in the Gothik fight got by the warrior and went over to destroy him. I agree rogues don't bring a whole lot as of right now, but to say they don't have any skills that are needed is a little overboard.
It isn't needed always, but anytime something comes up like that it is a great "out" to have.
How many rogues can actually get their head out of their *** long enough to do this?
I'll be content with counting regular posters that still have rogue mains that can do that, and so far as I can see, the count is something like 4-5 out of the hundreds that read the forums.
Rogues aren't needed at this point. Every single class does better damage as a DPS spec, brings more buffs to raids, etc.
Which is a shame for the rogue class, as a lot of us that were in beta have since rerolled (I know Therion even is moonlighting on a DK). If rogues didn't have ShD in PvP, I don't know that there would be too many rogues left.
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Definitely Rogues. Aoe tanking has killed off the rogue. No need for CC. Aoe please.
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under utilized or lowest population class? lowest population id say its something of a toss up between shaman, warriors and rogues atm. i still see quite a lot of locks on my server, and dk's/pallies/priests seem to be a dime a dozen (never thought id say that about priests). druids, hunters and mages seem to be about average; that is to say i dont see any more or less of them than i did in bc.
now, as for under utilized, which to me means a class that is played, but not up to its full potential, id have to say hunters. theres a huge difference between your average hunter and a hunter who really knows the class. hunters who really know how to use the class laughed at all the buffs hunters got in BC because they made something that was once mildly challenging laughably easy, mostly in an attempt to make life easier for the "average" hunter. to this day, there arent many classes i see played that make me go "damn, that guy is good" like a well-played hunter.
mages would be my second choice. having a good mage along, in pve or pvp, is like adding some top grade oil to your engine; it just makes everything run so much smoother.
now, as for under utilized, which to me means a class that is played, but not up to its full potential, id have to say hunters. theres a huge difference between your average hunter and a hunter who really knows the class. hunters who really know how to use the class laughed at all the buffs hunters got in BC because they made something that was once mildly challenging laughably easy, mostly in an attempt to make life easier for the "average" hunter. to this day, there arent many classes i see played that make me go "damn, that guy is good" like a well-played hunter.
mages would be my second choice. having a good mage along, in pve or pvp, is like adding some top grade oil to your engine; it just makes everything run so much smoother.
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Yeah, Blind seemed to be under-utilized in PvE.
I used to use it when I still played my Rogue (roll Holydin now), but good tanks would hit what I Blinded almost instantly anyway. Sometimes they would ask if "all Rogues had Blind" lol
I haven't tanked too much on my DK, but it actually is kind of annoying when someone uses CC that isn't absolutely necessary. It's easier for me to keep track of everything if I'm just building threat on everything at once.
I think they made CC less necessary because it makes instances go faster =/
I used to use it when I still played my Rogue (roll Holydin now), but good tanks would hit what I Blinded almost instantly anyway. Sometimes they would ask if "all Rogues had Blind" lol
I haven't tanked too much on my DK, but it actually is kind of annoying when someone uses CC that isn't absolutely necessary. It's easier for me to keep track of everything if I'm just building threat on everything at once.
I think they made CC less necessary because it makes instances go faster =/
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You see, scientists now believe that at least two out of three DK players(on average) are not people, but in fact a form of protozoa capable of manipulating computer input devices. Therefore, if the person posting that they did a run with two other DKs is in fact a person, statistics dictates that they have a fairly reasonable chance of being the only actual person in the instance, so it is in fact quite acceptable to say "I soloed the instance with two other DKs."
Heroics are easy for a moderately geared group without crowd control. Even when i try to get people to crowd control they fail at it most times or ignore it. Actually rogues are the only class that seems to think it's their job to CC in my runs. I haven't seen a hunter chain trap since TBC. I agree with the other posters that I don't see many rogues. I see lots of pallies, fair number of shammies, less druids, some warriors, lots of hunters some locks, some mages, some DK's.
I'll chime in on this as well.
I had a choice when WoTLK came between three 70's. I chose my rogue as I was playing him the most towards the end of BC.
I almost regret it. The only reason I don't is because I have fun playing em. It's really a dying breed, which is a shame. I got in my first naxx last week, 25 man to boot. Mostly guildies, had maybe 8 pick ups. Guess how many rogues there where? One. Me. The first time I did 10 man vault, the guild brought me along just so someone can loot rogue gear if it dropped, and it did:P The only good thing about this, more loot;P
I can see why many are dropping this class though, as mentioned, it just doesnt compare atm to any other dps classes. No "real" aoe, less survivability. low dps. That's what irks me the most. BC, every heroic I was tops. Now, depending on the instance, mostly half/lower third dps. The only one I really shine in is heroic VH. Most others not so much.
I really don't see as many as there used to be.
So yea, prolly rogues atm. followed by shammies and maybe priests.
I had a choice when WoTLK came between three 70's. I chose my rogue as I was playing him the most towards the end of BC.
I almost regret it. The only reason I don't is because I have fun playing em. It's really a dying breed, which is a shame. I got in my first naxx last week, 25 man to boot. Mostly guildies, had maybe 8 pick ups. Guess how many rogues there where? One. Me. The first time I did 10 man vault, the guild brought me along just so someone can loot rogue gear if it dropped, and it did:P The only good thing about this, more loot;P
I can see why many are dropping this class though, as mentioned, it just doesnt compare atm to any other dps classes. No "real" aoe, less survivability. low dps. That's what irks me the most. BC, every heroic I was tops. Now, depending on the instance, mostly half/lower third dps. The only one I really shine in is heroic VH. Most others not so much.
I really don't see as many as there used to be.
So yea, prolly rogues atm. followed by shammies and maybe priests.
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under utilized or lowest population class? lowest population id say its something of a toss up between shaman, warriors and rogues atm. i still see quite a lot of locks on my server, and dk's/pallies/priests seem to be a dime a dozen (never thought id say that about priests). druids, hunters and mages seem to be about average; that is to say i dont see any more or less of them than i did in bc.
now, as for under utilized, which to me means a class that is played, but not up to its full potential, id have to say hunters. theres a huge difference between your average hunter and a hunter who really knows the class. hunters who really know how to use the class laughed at all the buffs hunters got in BC because they made something that was once mildly challenging laughably easy, mostly in an attempt to make life easier for the "average" hunter. to this day, there arent many classes i see played that make me go "damn, that guy is good" like a well-played hunter.
mages would be my second choice. having a good mage along, in pve or pvp, is like adding some top grade oil to your engine; it just makes everything run so much smoother.
now, as for under utilized, which to me means a class that is played, but not up to its full potential, id have to say hunters. theres a huge difference between your average hunter and a hunter who really knows the class. hunters who really know how to use the class laughed at all the buffs hunters got in BC because they made something that was once mildly challenging laughably easy, mostly in an attempt to make life easier for the "average" hunter. to this day, there arent many classes i see played that make me go "damn, that guy is good" like a well-played hunter.
mages would be my second choice. having a good mage along, in pve or pvp, is like adding some top grade oil to your engine; it just makes everything run so much smoother.
I do who '80' every now and then just to get a sample of random people. I can tell you for alliance on Arygos anyways, Warrior is the most common class, followed by Death Knight and then paladin. Hunters, druids, and mages are pretty common. Rogues rare, shamans rare, priests medium-rare, warlock medium-rare.
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Which is a shame for the rogue class, as a lot of us that were in beta have since rerolled (I know Therion even is moonlighting on a DK).
Still raiding on my beloved rogue of course, but all my heroic runs are now on the DK. She's teh awesome =)
Rogues excel at single-target damage and tank support. That's right, read it again.... An MD that can also be used with small AOE damage, stuns/interupts/blind/gouge for pesky healing mobs, caster off-tanking etc. It's not that rogues bring "nothing", it's that what we do bring (especially to small groups) nobody seems to care about. I'm seeing most PUGs just wading in and defeating instances by sheer force. No elegance or strategy needed. Just run in, grab 'em all and AOE until everything stops twitching. This over-riding mindset effects which classes are brought to runs. Those without heavy AOE damage ability are competing over fewer spots than those who do bring that specific ability to the run.
Now, I'm not saying that progression raids are all shifting their rosters. The same jerks I was competing with in SWP to be the stupidly-best geared rogue on the server are generally the same jerks I'm checking armories on now (isn't friendly competition* great, hugs fellas!). But for PUGs, and the seemingly endless chain of new "looking to form a raid" guilds popping up it's just become a smash and grab operation with less and less room for the more subtle and surgical classes, like rogues.
Maybe this will all change when Uld comes down the pipe. But until then I'll keep hoping I don't get sat for raids and I'll only bother pugging on my DK.... although, my pally has a great ZA healing set...... =P
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I do who '80' every now and then just to get a sample of random people. I can tell you for alliance on Arygos anyways, Warrior is the most common class, followed by Death Knight and then paladin. Hunters, druids, and mages are pretty common. Rogues rare, shamans rare, priests medium-rare, warlock medium-rare.
each server is different of course. all i know is ive had more gear defaulted to me in pug raids than i ever have before. whereas in bc or i might compete with 3-4 other warriors in a 25-man, in LK its two at most (the other war generally being there for tanking). so if any war-specific dps items drop im set.
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You aren't seeing rogues because they are broken. What skill does a rogue have that's needed in wotlk groups?
I have to say rogue, very painful to play also atm. Got one (lvl70) sitting in the inn and i have no intentions to play with it. I tried all the specs and still suck.
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I'd say warlock. Both population and utilization. So far I have not seen another warlock besides myself in any raid I have been on. I am the only warlock in my guild. No other warlocks have applied recently. Every other class we seem to have 3-4 of at least.
As for the utilization of locks, when attempting to PuG a few, I've been told they don't want me because lock DPS sucks. The odd part about that is every Instance/Heroic/Raid I am in, I am #1 if not very close behind. I'd say that's not utilizing our awesome DPS.
As for the utilization of locks, when attempting to PuG a few, I've been told they don't want me because lock DPS sucks. The odd part about that is every Instance/Heroic/Raid I am in, I am #1 if not very close behind. I'd say that's not utilizing our awesome DPS.
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