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#1 Dec 21 2008 at 9:44 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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Thank you for the polite warning. http://www.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21;mid=122992156115946917;num=6;page=1

I must respectfully contest because I do not see in anyway how my post was aimed at advertising, I don't even know what trolling is, and I would hardly consider the contents of my post mere 'drivel'. I would be a little offended if that were the connotation, but I think you were merely trying to create a list of criteria. Needless to say, I apologize if it seemed that I was trying to stir up a frenzy, but that was NOT my intention at all. I simply wanted people to consider this.

I think WoW is a great game, worlds above any other mmo. But there are some serious flaws. I started playing WoW in the summer after graduation when I had oodles of time on my hands. Now, I have a job. I don't have the time (nor interest) in leveling a character to 80 just so i can get it on raiding par with my guild. Not to mention the lackluster experience (in reference to that person who talked about "the journey of getting there" which is absolute balogna). In the lower levels you CANT TO INSTANCES, you CAN'T DO old content raids, good luck finding a group for group quests. Now, this may be the case just on my server, but SERIOUSLY. The point of an mmo is to PLAY WITH OTHER PLAYERS... not smack around a bunch of stupid NPCs.

I also now understand the sony references made by Artemis and the other person (forgot the name sorry), which brings up interesting points, but I wont say anything more about that.

Anyway, I am just offering up an explanation, and a simple request to allow players to talk about this in a reasonable manner.
#2 Dec 21 2008 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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There is no reasonable manner. People that buy gold, items, or characters are cheaters. Honorable players will not suffer their presence among us. So mote it be.
#3 Dec 21 2008 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Was this same topic lock. why you bring it up again?
#4 Dec 21 2008 at 9:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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The thread stays locked. This site does not encourage or justify players who buy accounts, nor does it leave threads up that do that exact same thing. Regardless of your intent, you voluntarily stated that someone in your guild bought an account. This is a violation of the EULA. We adhere to that EULA when it comes to this kind of thing and providing links to further "justify" the reasons do not lend credence. Regardless of why, what that person did can get them banned. You know it, I know it and the rest of the community here knows it.

I have let many discussions about the pros and cons of some of this behavior go because they are not set the way your post was and were specific discussions. Your thread was an attempt to justify an inappropriate form of gaming by one of your guild. You know what? I'm 40, i work this site and I run my own business but I still have time to raid and play. The excuse of "RL" doesn't wash. Furthermore, you provided two links to try to further justify this. Sorry but we have a responsibility as a fansite to make sure that inappropriate means of gaming such as hacks, cheats, botting, private servers, account buying and gold buying are not only discouraged, but removed when found.
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#5 Dec 21 2008 at 11:13 PM Rating: Good
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@Wordaen: Completely off whatever the topic of this post is supposed to be, but I love the creeping Santa avatar. ^o^


Edit: Speeling > Meh

Edited, Dec 22nd 2008 1:14am by Serevixx
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#6 Dec 22 2008 at 1:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have it on gud uthoratee that Santa tinks yer a good boi dis yeer!
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#7 Dec 22 2008 at 3:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Shekad wrote:

I started playing WoW in the summer after graduation when I had oodles of time on my hands. Now, I have a job. I don't have the time (nor interest) in leveling a character to 80 just so i can get it on raiding par with my guild. Not to mention the lackluster experience (in reference to that person who talked about "the journey of getting there" which is absolute balogna). In the lower levels you CANT TO INSTANCES, you CAN'T DO old content raids, good luck finding a group for group quests. Now, this may be the case just on my server, but SERIOUSLY. The point of an mmo is to PLAY WITH OTHER PLAYERS... not smack around a bunch of stupid NPCs.


Smiley: oyvey Gold/account buying is bad mmmkay. Botting is bad mmmkay. Your guildies shouldn't break the rules, and there are really no excuse for doing so.
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#8 Dec 22 2008 at 4:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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#9 Dec 22 2008 at 4:41 AM Rating: Good
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I like how he turned the thread into a O-board '@' thread. Seriously, if that tread starts here, I won't be able to down rate the thread fast enough.
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#10 Dec 22 2008 at 4:47 AM Rating: Excellent
The "I don't have enough time to grind" and "I don't have enough time to farm" arguments are typical of people advocating powerleveling and buying gold, from the posts I've seen. It's a weak argument. I can say this because I am 34, married, with a full-time job which requires me to be on call until 9:00pm every weekday, and a hefty mortgage which means I can't take unnecessary days off to play, and yet in the three years I've been playing I've leveled three characters to 70, bought epic flying skill on two of them, taken them through quests all through Azeroth and Outland, managed to get in numerous heroic instances (usually only on Friday evenings or weekends so that Mrs. Wondy doesn't feel neglected), and even done a few Kara runs, ZA runs and a miserably failed Hyjal run. If I were single, paying less in rent, and could win the lottery, I'd probably be much more hardcore, and devote a lot more time to gaming, instances and raids.

If you're casual, accept that you're casual. I know that sometimes you see people in the big raiding guilds and think "Wow, I'd love to get some of that gear". But there's a difference between having in-game goals and aspirations and thinking "Wow, I wish I could just buy that gear on eBay". The problem I see with that is that by letting someone else level a character to cap, or by buying a character that someone else has already leveled and geared up, or even buying gear or gold is that, in the end, you don't really appreciate the accomplishment that it's supposed to represent in the game.

To use a real-life example, when you were a child and your parents bought you a toy, you didn't worry so much about it if it broke- because it wasn't your money that bought it. However, when you saved your money and bought an action figure with it, that was your investment, so it's more precious to you. As an in-game example, take the Amani bears. In the beginning, they represented an accomplishment- they were only available to people who could successfully complete the bear run in ZA within the time limit. However, as major raiding guilds started to farm the run, they started selling spots for people to get the bear. Now when I see the bear, unless it's someone that I know got it before the spots went on sale, I assume it's someone who had 8,000 or 10,000 gold. In my opinion, that cheapens the accomplishment of those that got it the hard way.

Everyone has the same time in a day. Everyone also has choices which they make on how they use that time- sleep, study, work, or play. Most people with traditional jobs work a 7- or 8-hour day. Most people that go to school have to devote at least the same amount if they want to make decent grades. People who don't work or study (whether they are unemployed, on medical leave or other reasons) don't have that 8-hour commitment every day. That's their choice- just as the student chose to get an education and the working man (or woman) chose to get a job and make money. It takes away from your free time, but it's your choice.

Whether you choose to spend your free time gaming, raiding, or following other commitments is immaterial. When real money gets introduced into the game, people that make more money have a distinct advantage. If player A is on a disability pension, he may be playing more hours than player B, who makes $50,000 a year, which means he would be able to do more in the game. However, when player B buys a level 80 warrior which is decked out in heroic gear, he's just leaped past player A. This, to me, cheapens the achievements of player A (and anyone who plays for longer or more hardcore). Player B doesn't want to put in the time and effort needed to earn the character, but a quick drop of $200 gets him something that player A cannot afford, in a few seconds. Think of it this way. Player B just bought his character and joins a group. In it are player A, player C, Player D and player E. Player C makes over $100,000 a year, and also bought his restao shaman a couple of days ago. Player D makes $65,000 and has a legit copy of the game, but got his druid power leveled from 65 to 80, because he got tired of the grind. Player E makes $55,000 a year, and he leveled his character from scratch to level 80. They go into a heroic and wipe. In this case, regardless of how much people made, it's the people that bought their accounts that made the run suck for the two that didn't. It doesn't matter how much you can throw at the game- it matters how your actions, abilities and skill affect other players. If you buy a toon and solo, so be it. But the moment you come into a group with suckasstic skills because you haven't learned your class' basic mechanics, you suck.

And that, my friends, is my opinion on why arguments for gold buying and power leveling are for weak-minded feebs who like being spoonfed.
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#11 Dec 22 2008 at 5:37 AM Rating: Good
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Nice post, which is why you are now rated as "Excellent" and Shekad has been Sub-Defaulted for posting crap :D
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#12 Dec 22 2008 at 6:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Krago the Mighty wrote:
Nice post, which is why you are now rated as "Excellent" and Shekad has been Sub-Defaulted for posting crap :D


Glad I'm not the only one who did this. I have nothing I can add to Kahbueme's excellent post.
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