DKs and PUGs have been causing all kinds of drama on my server.
It seems that DKs running DPS feel entitled to roll on tank gear. I have been in a lot of PUGs and I have never seen this with any other class. Resto druids have never felt entitled to roll on dps leather unless noone else wanted it, ect.
To boot, almost all of these DK loot whores are bad DPS which leads one to believe they are going to be unable to tank a quest mob.
The worst part is the core group you assembled was dragging this clown through, ungrateful or stupid.
I routinely post recount data with asshats in groups who are not pulling thier weight (if they have a bad attitude only).
NOTE: Many solid DKs running around too, outstanding DPS and good tanks, no offense to you guys.
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idiggory wrote:
Or, the other option--ask to run the instance a second time (if it drops the first) so she can possibly loot it. Maybe just run it up to that specific boss.
No never do that. They will always say "yeah we can run again" but as soon as you clear the first time it's "sorry got to go".
Some people will agree to it anyway, just to keep the full group, but have no intentions of keeping their word and going on a second run. Your best bet is always to leave the group and find another one if you don't agree with their terms and conditions.
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I too dislike those rules. You can come, but you can't roll on this. I think it's dumb. i helped with the run, I should have just as much right to it as you. Even when going for an item I really want, that have tried over and over to get, and I have a 4 guildie 1 PuG run, I would never impose that rule. That is my choice.
You reserved an Item...no big deal
You informed the Pug that the Item was reserved...no big deal
The Pug still decided to come.
Frankly though, even if you hadn't informed the DPS Death Knight, she shouldn't have been allowed to roll on that trinket anyways.
She was in the run as DPS, not a Tank.
If she wants to roll on Tank gear, maybe she should....hmmm....ummm....TANK an Instance!
As far as I am concerned, Main Spec during the course of the run deserves priority on drops.
Don't know how many times I've had to pass on Ret and Holy gear to the guy who was actually that spec, but at least I got my Red Sword of Courage.
And yeah, a DK wanted to roll against me for it. If she wasn't a guildy I would have gotten her killed repeatedly in the next run just for asking.
And yeah, a DK wanted to roll against me for it. If she wasn't a guildy I would have gotten her killed repeatedly in the next run just for asking.
I mean, Blue gear is serious business right?
So you switched to master loot. Not trying to be a **** but still.
So you switched to master loot. Not trying to be a **** but still.
OMG Ehcks!!!
I HATE YOU! (Not really...gratz)
I have been chasing that damnable sword for awhile now.
I HATE YOU! (Not really...gratz)
I have been chasing that damnable sword for awhile now.
People get proddy even about crappy loot.
I remember when I was running BFD in my mid-20s, at the very beginning of the PUG, before we killed a single mob, we discussed our loot policy and all agreed to it. Basically, anything BOE gets greedy rolled UNLESS someone speaks up and says they need it as an upgrade, anything BOP or blue gets passed on and discussed. Pretty basic stuff for a PUG.
We get halfway in, and everyone has been obeying the agreed-upon policy very well, including me. However, my dice have been pretty good to me, I've picked up a several BOEs with greed rolls. NOTHING that anyone else has said they would need, however, and I confirmed this by asking several times after I won a roll, willing to hand it over if it turned out to be an upgrade for someone else. However, our pally up and hearths out on us without a word. I try to send him a "WTF?" whisper and he's got me on ignore! So I ask any of our group-mates if they can /w him and ask why he left, and the answer was?
"He says you're rolling on too much loot."
????
We rocked the instance without him, however.
I remember when I was running BFD in my mid-20s, at the very beginning of the PUG, before we killed a single mob, we discussed our loot policy and all agreed to it. Basically, anything BOE gets greedy rolled UNLESS someone speaks up and says they need it as an upgrade, anything BOP or blue gets passed on and discussed. Pretty basic stuff for a PUG.
We get halfway in, and everyone has been obeying the agreed-upon policy very well, including me. However, my dice have been pretty good to me, I've picked up a several BOEs with greed rolls. NOTHING that anyone else has said they would need, however, and I confirmed this by asking several times after I won a roll, willing to hand it over if it turned out to be an upgrade for someone else. However, our pally up and hearths out on us without a word. I try to send him a "WTF?" whisper and he's got me on ignore! So I ask any of our group-mates if they can /w him and ask why he left, and the answer was?
"He says you're rolling on too much loot."
????
We rocked the instance without him, however.
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Lathais wrote:
I too dislike those rules. You can come, but you can't roll on this. I think it's dumb. i helped with the run, I should have just as much right to it as you. Even when going for an item I really want, that have tried over and over to get, and I have a 4 guildie 1 PuG run, I would never impose that rule. That is my choice.
It's your choice to use it if you want though, and you did let him/her know beforehand. If it were me, I would have left your group at that point. However, this person didn't.
Not a ninja.
It's your choice to use it if you want though, and you did let him/her know beforehand. If it were me, I would have left your group at that point. However, this person didn't.
Not a ninja.
Agreed.
It was an organized run and he knew you were targeting that item. You clearly told him the trinket was yours and he could not roll on it. He should have left if he didn't agree with it at the run start. DPS is a dime a dozen nowadays. I also agree that "Do it on your own time" was a little silly, since it WAS his time too. However, not a ninja.
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As I always tell people. I specced my toon heals so that you can play your toon dps, because that is how you wanted to play. If you want my healing gear, you better go spec heals and heal this group. Then drop group. Usually I get an instant reply, no come back im sorry.
Sometimes I go back, sometimes I quit all together.
If your specced dps in the group, you roll on dps gear. If your tank specced you roll on tank gear. Some people just dont understand that the people who level with the healing/tank specs really do have it hard. And they do it for grouping purposes, not because they actually want to do it.
DPS that cant take that hint really need to go away. I dont care if your going to tank/heal at 80. Start gearing when you stop taking the easy way out on getting gear/leveled.
I agree Tyr, I have only seen one exception to the rule at this point. He is one of the most skilled WoW players I have came across and his prior main was a paly tank. Thats why he is a good DK, he understands the tanking concept and doesnt ***** around wasting other peoples time.
They honestly should have kept the questline a part of making a DK, so that the people who really wanted one could do the questline, and not just any old person can create one from day one. So annoying.
Sometimes I go back, sometimes I quit all together.
If your specced dps in the group, you roll on dps gear. If your tank specced you roll on tank gear. Some people just dont understand that the people who level with the healing/tank specs really do have it hard. And they do it for grouping purposes, not because they actually want to do it.
DPS that cant take that hint really need to go away. I dont care if your going to tank/heal at 80. Start gearing when you stop taking the easy way out on getting gear/leveled.
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I agree Tyr, I have only seen one exception to the rule at this point. He is one of the most skilled WoW players I have came across and his prior main was a paly tank. Thats why he is a good DK, he understands the tanking concept and doesnt ***** around wasting other peoples time.
They honestly should have kept the questline a part of making a DK, so that the people who really wanted one could do the questline, and not just any old person can create one from day one. So annoying.
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"Do it on your own time?" Because the time she was spending doing the instance with you was... what? Your time? Sorry, I gotta call a Spicolli on this one. If I'm there, and you're there, that's our time.
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I too dislike those rules. You can come, but you can't roll on this. I think it's dumb. i helped with the run, I should have just as much right to it as you.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my original post but our healer is mostly epic'd out, wearing several piece of T7 (10 man and 25 man) and so was our Rogue dps.
We were fully capable of 3 manning the place (and in retrospect, really should have), and in fact both PUGs took more healing in that run then they did damage. They didn't help, they hindered. I don't know if you guys realize just how poor of a performance 500dps is at level 78... I have level 40s alt who can do that.
We decided to be nice and let two lower level get a chance at some loot (And as a matter of fact, they both got an upgrade).
That's what I meant by 'on your own time': If a level 80 runs your through Deadmine because he wants to collect a Defias Armor set - you're aren't helping him - much like those two pugs weren't helping us.
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So you switched to master loot. Not trying to be a Richard but still.
Heh, yeah, I'm kinda contradicting myself there, eh?
Don't regret doing it thought, it's obvious by her reaction that she would have rolled on it if it had not been master looted.
I think this has given me an idea for next week's guide to doing things legimtately that sound absolutely against the game rules thread...
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Edited, Dec 15th 2008 12:54pm by ekaterinodar
"How to be a ninja free and legitimately..."
I am of course going to completely plagiarize your post...
Edited, Dec 15th 2008 12:54pm by ekaterinodar
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Contentious issue, this "dps rolling on tank gear" one.
You did it right from all angles. You were the tank and you explained at the start of the run how the loot was going to go down. For them to have expected a chance to roll on it after a) you said they wouldn't and b) they showed up as dps thinking they'd be entitled to roll Need on a tanking upgrade the tank wanted.
Meh.
/ignore is awesome.
You did it right from all angles. You were the tank and you explained at the start of the run how the loot was going to go down. For them to have expected a chance to roll on it after a) you said they wouldn't and b) they showed up as dps thinking they'd be entitled to roll Need on a tanking upgrade the tank wanted.
Meh.
/ignore is awesome.
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The whole purpose of the run was to get you the organizer of the run that peice of loot. You told them so upfront. They agreed. Then they cried about it after the fact. Sour Grapes.
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Tank gets dibs on any tanking upgrade that drops...probly some bratty kid that always gets what they want
ive done similar things to puggers i knew would try to roll me for tank drops instead of sitting there arguing for half an hour about why i put it on master loot or w/e the ensuing argument would have been
ive done similar things to puggers i knew would try to roll me for tank drops instead of sitting there arguing for half an hour about why i put it on master loot or w/e the ensuing argument would have been
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Before the first summon even went out, I told the DK 'If the trinket from loken drop, it's going to me. You can roll on anything else, but not that. IF you are not happy with this, leave, we will find another dps.'. The DK replied 'I'm trying to build a tanking set too'. To which I told her (as it turns out) 'Do it on your own time.'. And I thought that was that.
In no way does this make you a Ninja. You already had it set to go get this trinket, and you and your guildies decided to PUG a few spots.
And then you let her know what was what.
Am I the only one who's heard them called Dumb Knights instead of Death Tards?
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Nope, Dumb Knights seems to be the preferred moniker on Arthas.
DK agreed to the terms so she has no leg to stand on of course but one thing...
'Do it on your own time.'? That would have gotten a nasty retort from me to be honest.
'Do it on your own time.'? That would have gotten a nasty retort from me to be honest.
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Warchief Tyrandor wrote:
And while it doesn't add much to the point of the tale... she brings the expression Death Tard to a whole new level. 500dps as Unholy spec? On trash pulls? >_> Ridiculous spec and couldn't avoid any AE or boss moves (even after explanation) to save her life. >_>
Well she'd be a better player if you didn't ninja her drop, Mr. Grabby Fingers.
I'm sure that trinket would have tremendously helped her dps >_>
I'm inclined to agree with the other posters who said there is no Ninja here. They're simply right. You laid down the rules and she should have left. It's her own fault. The beef I have with this is:
It was obviously serious enough that you claimed it well in advance of it dropping.
Edited, Dec 15th 2008 8:50pm by snieh
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Before the first summon even went out, I told the DK 'If the trinket from loken drop, it's going to me. You can roll on anything else, but not that. IF you are not happy with this, leave, we will find another dps.'. The DK replied 'I'm trying to build a tanking set too'. To which I told her (as it turns out) 'Do it on your own time.'. And I thought that was that.
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Oh mai! At that point I'm all but rofl in my house. I mean, Blue gear is serious business right?
It was obviously serious enough that you claimed it well in advance of it dropping.
Edited, Dec 15th 2008 8:50pm by snieh
I've always said, there are no rules expect the ones agreed to before going in. The DK was told, and by staying she agreed to them. She had no claim to anything because she agreed to the rules you made. If I wanted that trinket, I would have left and found another group when you put on the Master Looter. That was an obvious clue she wasn't getting it.
AnaraWarren wrote:
Am I the only one who's heard them called Dumb Knights instead of Death Tards?
Death Tards is a term usually used by former Huntards. Poor confused noobs :( just kidding!
I prefer and use "Dumb Knights" and "Daft Knights" or rarely "Dork Knights"
Edited, Dec 16th 2008 3:10am by ekaterinodar
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that Keniggett (thats what WE call them) basically can go suck a lemon, they got an easy run.. they got an upgrade... /QQ moar seriously.
that Keniggett (thats what WE call them) basically can go suck a lemon, they got an easy run.. they got an upgrade... /QQ moar seriously.
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