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#77 Nov 04 2008 at 2:43 PM Rating: Default
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No lines, no long wait. In and out. I received a free sticker out of it too!
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I voted and got my free cup of Starbuck's coffee :)
This is why the rest of the world has such faith in the American political system.
I just wonder. I live in Australia and polls done here (go figure) show that we would elect Obama in about four and a half seconds. What does that do to America in the eyes of the rest of the world if you elect McCain? Not having a go at either of them, but this election is bigger than your sticker, your cup of coffee or your right to vote. It is about the path that America goes down from now and how America is viewed by the rest of the world. Who do matter coincidently.
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#78 Nov 04 2008 at 2:44 PM Rating: Default
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#79 Nov 04 2008 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I voted. Too important not too.

Seriously, though...because of trade chat? 90% of the people who argue in trade chat are 15 year old brats.

I voted because I know my decision effects my life. I respect those who do not vote because they disagree with the canididates...but just not voting to not involve yourself in "politics"?

Those politics effect your life. They effect your rights. They effect your country. Keep on not voting...and keep watching your country fall apart and your rights walked all over.



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Edited, Nov 4th 2008 6:00pm by ekaterinodar
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#80 Nov 04 2008 at 3:10 PM Rating: Default
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We're not allowed to vote in my state, Holland ;)
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#81 Nov 04 2008 at 3:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm proud that I've done my part and hope that everybody who can will exercise this right.


Swirljello wrote:
You are not donating to a charity, or feeding the homeless, you are voting. You shouldn't vote because you want an "I voted" sticker or to make yourself feel good, or to be part of the crowd. You should vote because you have research the candidates and really understand what the impact on having one or the other in office will have on America.

I myself don't feel that I am fully educated on the candidates, and I really do not feel that I should vote because of this. I am just sick of people making me feel like I am wrong if I don't vote. I am exercising my right to vote by not voting if I feel that I shouldn't.



I never said voting was similar to charity or feeding the homeless. Those activities are both very important, but not the same as voting. Casting my vote is doing my part for my candidate. Every vote counts.

I'm not doing it for the sticker (although my daughter enjoyed that part more than anything).

Voting does make me feel good.

I did research the candidates and I do understand what the impact of having one or the other in office will have on America. That's why I voted.

I said I hope everyone who has the right to vote will, because there are people in the world who would love to have that freedom.

I fully support your right to not vote, and would defend that freedom.

Cheers!

Edited, Nov 4th 2008 7:47pm by NCspaz
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#82 Nov 04 2008 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I couldn't guarantee that I would be home today so I voted via mail. Now all these "Yes on 8" (California Proposition 8, the one that is attempting to repeal the right of same-*** marriage, where a 'yes' vote would repeal the current law) signs literally lining the median and sides of certain streets in my area can *%$* off.

It's kind of funny, there's tons of 'No on 8' sign-holders and such all around the Berkeley campus and while I agree I can't help but think that they're preaching to the choir (I mean, we're college students, at a campus known for being the liberalist of the liberal, of the relatively few people who are hard-line 'Yes on 8,' how many are going to be swayed by a simple sign?). I was thinking that their efforts would be better placed where there are 'Yes on 8' signs lining the streets. I have seen literally none here.
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#83 Nov 04 2008 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not a US citizen, and yet as the President of the United States of America is sometimes referred to as 'The Leader of the Free World', and being nominally part of that 'free world', I am happy to see so many of you taking your responsibilities seriously. Thank you, from the United Kingdom (or at least the small apartment in east London where I live :D).
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#84 Nov 04 2008 at 4:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I just wanted to get rid of all the Rossi ads that would come on back to back every commercial break. In some ways I like to think that voting day is sort of a voodoo ritual to drive away the annoying TV spirits. Particularly ones that can't bring themselves to NAME THEIR PARTY.

And the Gregoire ads weren't insanely annoying?
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#85 Nov 04 2008 at 4:38 PM Rating: Default
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I am tired of hearing "if you don't vote, then you have no right to complain".

I'm sorry...this is just NOT true.

I am an American. Not only is it my right NOT to vote...but it is still my right, my privilege and my duty to complain.

Thank you very much. Member FDIC.

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#86 Nov 04 2008 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I am tired of hearing "if you don't vote, then you have no right to complain".

I'm sorry...this is just NOT true.

I am an American. Not only is it my right NOT to vote...but it is still my right, my privilege and my duty to complain.

Thank you very much. Member FDIC.


You obviously have the right from a freedom of speech perspective. It just makes you a hypocrite:

"I am unsatisfied with the way things are yet I did nothing to change them."
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#87 Nov 04 2008 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
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You obviously have the right from a freedom of speech perspective. It just makes you a hypocrite:

"I am unsatisfied with the way things are yet I did nothing to change them."


What if you vote for the lesser of 2 evils, that person wins, and you still disagree with the how the country is being run?

Anyone can criticize their government, I agree that voting is important, but I can understand why some people won't vote.

I'm Canadian anyway, but I've been watching this election unfold for a while, and am interested in seeing the outcome.
#88 Nov 04 2008 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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"I'm not a US citizen, and yet as the President of the United States of America is sometimes referred to as 'The Leader of the Free World', and being nominally part of that 'free world', I am happy to see so many of you taking your responsibilities seriously. Thank you, from the United Kingdom (or at least the small apartment in east London where I live :D)."

If this is true, which it might be, then a monkey has been running the free world for the last 8 years. No wonder the world is so screwed up right now.
#89 Nov 04 2008 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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On a side note... Why the hell can't we vote for VP? If the VP may possibly step into presidency at some point, we the people should have more say in who gets that position. What if we like one pres canidate, but not his VP pick? we should be able to choose VP lust like we pick most other gov positions.


Heh, posting from the UK, where our Deputy PM was simply handed power because Blair wanted out. I can sort of understand stepping up if the worst happens and the guy in charge is unable to perform his duties, but if that guy says, 6 months in advance, "I'm out, this guy is gonna be the one making the decisions for the next two years, and you can just suck it", that really p@sses me off. Especially as I didn't vote for Blair in the first place.

On a side note,

ekaterinodar wrote:
I voted. Too important not too.

Seriously, though...because of trade chat? 90% of the people who argue in trade chat are 15 year old brats.

I voted because I know my decision effects my life. I respect those who do not vote because they disagree with the canididates...but just not voting to not involve yourself in "politics"?

Those politics effect your life. They effect your rights. They effect your country. Keep on not voting...and keep watching your country fall apart and your rights walked all over.



edit: for spelling

Edited, Nov 4th 2008 6:00pm by ekaterinodar


What about your grammar?


Pre-emptive bit here about any/all grammar mistakes I myself made. I know I'm not perfect, but I had to point it out.
#90 Nov 04 2008 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
Everyone should vote. There is no excuse for not voting. Thousands and maybe millions of people have died defending your and others right to vote.
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#91 Nov 04 2008 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I would just like to take a break from the debate about voting here to say:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.

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IN YOUR FACE @ the people rating me down.

The people have spoken. Sweet victory in the popular and electoral vote. How's that taste?

Edited, Nov 5th 2008 9:47am by Placeholder
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#92 Nov 04 2008 at 8:40 PM Rating: Default
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[quote=Admiral Placeholder]I would just like to take a break from the debate about voting here to say:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.[/quote


2nd that wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot
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#93 Nov 04 2008 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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wow, someone really felt the need to rate down every single person that voted.
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#94 Nov 04 2008 at 9:13 PM Rating: Default
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Simple fact.

If you don't vote, keep your mouth shut for the next 4 years as you have no ground to stand on. You are not allowed an opinion if you were too ignorant to vote.
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#95 Nov 04 2008 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Simple fact.

If you don't vote, keep your mouth shut for the next 4 years as you have no ground to stand on. You are not allowed an opinion if you were too ignorant to vote.


You shouldn't be allowed an opinion. Sadly you are as stupid and ignorant as they are.
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#97 Nov 04 2008 at 9:36 PM Rating: Default
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"Everyone should vote. There is no excuse for not voting. Thousands and maybe millions of people have died defending your and others right to vote."

Defending my right to vote? Was that when Iraq invaded the US? Or Vietnam bombed Pearl Harbor? Maybe it was when N Korea invaded Alaska. Or maybe my right to vote hasn't needed defending from anyone since we fought the Japanese.
#98 Nov 05 2008 at 1:01 AM Rating: Default
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However, if I just write "Kermit the Frog" in for every single race, have I contributed anything? Local Congressional race doesn't really matter, Governor is a totally 1-sided race,. My local senate race doesn't matter at all (the two people are identical and neither ever put anything forth about themselves, total negative campaigning on both sides, which is something I'm totally against.. could you tell? :p) and we don't have any ballot questions that mean a thing this year (that I can find, assuming that we actually have any...).

So leaving ballot questions blank, and writing in no one for the other decisions isn't really contributing either. Just nets a thrown out ballot which is what I have by hanging out at home and working/browsing forums all day. Sure, I could say I voted to look better in the eyes of others, but I frankly don't give much of a crap what they think.

So, in your opinion, wasting a ballot on complete BS answers grants someone more of a say than someone who abstains from the polls altogether?

Several people responded along these lines. Now, I'm not an American citizen, but I am interested in the outcome.

In my opinion, by not voting at all, you make no statement whatsoever. You chose to be ignored by your political leaders. If you like neither of the main candidates, why don't you write someone else or yourself on the slip? And I don't mean something like "Kermit the Frog" that will get thrown out as invalid, but a real person. Because even with that, you will send the message that you don't like either candidate. If a lot of people did this, the result would not be:
Obama 52% - McCain 47% - Others 1%
but maybe
Obama 47% - McCain 42% - Others 11%

Wouldn't that also send a strong message to the people that get voted in the end, even if it does not change the result per se? By not voting at all, you get dominated by people that DO vote!

According to CNN.com, around 115M votes have been counted. The US has an adult population of 230M (going by wikipedia.org). So just about half of the people that could vote, actually did. I presume that those voters that stayed at home would likely have voted for neither candidate (like cafeen), or Obama. Because older people vote more and older people are more likely to vote McCain (going on statistics on CNN.com).

Just think about this for a moment when the next elections come around...
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#99 Nov 05 2008 at 1:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Well done, USA! Turns out you're not all dumb after all. Of course, one of your dumber citizens will assassinate Obama at some point, as is your right, but meanwhile, well done!

By the way, I have never voted in a US presidential election, but I reserve my right as a British citizen to complain about anything and everything...including the fatuous fool (and his father) that you've previously foisted on the world.
#100 Nov 05 2008 at 2:00 AM Rating: Decent
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By the way, I have never voted in a US presidential election, but I reserve my right as a British citizen to complain about anything and everything...including the fatuous fool (and his father) that you've previously foisted on the world.


People voted jiggeryqua down for this, probably without quite understanding that...well, yes, complaining is what we Brits do best. Just humour (humor?) us and don't be too offended.

I wish I could have voted. Then again, I just wish I had a realistic chance of moving to the US, but we're not even allowed to enter the green card lottery (see? We just like to complain ;).
#101 Nov 05 2008 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I never said voting was similar to charity or feeding the homeless. Those activities are both very important, but not the same as voting. Casting my vote is doing my part for my candidate. Every vote counts.

I'm not doing it for the sticker (although my daughter enjoyed that part more than anything).

Voting does make me feel good.

I did research the candidates and I do understand what the impact of having one or the other in office will have on America. That's why I voted.

I said I hope everyone who has the right to vote will, because there are people in the world who would love to have that freedom.

I fully support your right to not vote, and would defend that freedom.

Cheers!


Point taken.

I am generalizing you with people that I have around me at work which I shouldn't. You are the type of informed person that should make the decision, and should vote.

I'm just used to people criticizing me for not voting, but when I ask them what’s the reason they are voting for their candidate I get answers like: "It would be cool to have a black president" or "McCain = Bush" one person told me they don't like McCain because he moved his arm funny on TV. These are not educated reasons, and I think these types of people are better off not voting.


Edited, Nov 5th 2008 10:05am by swirljello
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