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#1 Oct 28 2008 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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I've read all the loreo n Ilidan and what lead him to the outlands and what he did before then. I don't understand why everyone is against him or classifies him as evil? If you look at him through he resembles the actions of 5-11 year old son trying to please his dad. Like the son would try and do a good action by fixing the tv but ends up cutting a cable instead then the father comes in screaming and shames the son for his attempt at a good deed.

From what I've read Ilidan was always the outcast. During the well of eternity events he tried his best to help but his addictions got the best of him. However he makes up for these actions by saving Tyrande's life, and eagerly fighting the legion. Yes he was tricked by Kil'jaeden, but he was tricked to kill the lich king, maybe if Malfurion wouldn't have interfered I could be doing some freaking battlegrounds now... So it was a dark chapter in his life, now this is the part I don't get. He goes to the outlands.

At this moment in history the Legion is raping the sense out of the outlands, HE GETS RID OF THE LEGION?!?! He captures the sacred black temple of the Draenei and offers any1 who's with him protection and shelter. I don't get why everyone wants to kill him. He's not bothering with you unless you are after him, let him be. He's certainly not taking active role to destroy every living thing like the lich king. He's also not trying to destroy the dead and the living like the foresaken. The only bad thing I can think that he has truely did was attack Shattrath and drain Zang. Zang still has more water than any place in the outlands or azeroth (other than the great/veiled sea) and Shattrath is prospering now.

His actions are just a little misunderstood, He's the emo of all the wow raid bosses, but why does every1 wanna kill him? You don't hunt the emos you just laugh at them behind their backs and tell them that not every1 hates them.
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#2 Oct 28 2008 at 3:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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but why does every1 wanna kill him?

He has epics. What other reasons do we need?
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#3 Oct 28 2008 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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This, this, this and this.

Die jerk-face, die!
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This, this, this and this.

Die jerk-face, die!

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(at leat that's what it always looked like to me)
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#5 Oct 28 2008 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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Illidan shot first.
#6 Oct 28 2008 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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Illidan was just a big name they could throw to the public while they made sure that their expansions would work properly. From a lore point of view, there was absolutely no reason to take a detour into Outland while Arthas was still coming into his power and a proper push could have eradicated him. But we did, and so here we are.
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#7 Oct 28 2008 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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While Illidan is not my favorite part of Warcraft lore overall he is probably my favorite figure.

Most of the characters that Blizzard has labeled "evil" are no truly "evil" at all. Take Kael for example, he simply doing what he thought was right and best for his people. He didn't intend to do anything horrible.
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#8 Oct 28 2008 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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Well, until he signed up with KJ and tried to bring the legion back into the world. That's pretty damn evil, yea?
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#9 Oct 28 2008 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, until he signed up with KJ and tried to bring the legion back into the world. That's pretty damn evil, yea?


Yeah, he did this. Only after corruption and oppressing and hostile acts towards him.
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Professor Failzor wrote:
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Well, until he signed up with KJ and tried to bring the legion back into the world. That's pretty damn evil, yea?


Yeah, he did this. Only after corruption and oppressing and hostile acts towards him.

"Oh, nobody likes me. I'm going to summon the Burning Legion and destroy the world. Smiley: cry"

How emo is that?
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#11 Oct 28 2008 at 4:31 PM Rating: Default
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That's not really emo. SImply because, nobody likes him and they all tried to kill him or imprison him. Then he goes and summons the Burning Legion.
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#12 Oct 28 2008 at 5:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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How emo is that?

Um, this emo goes to eleven?
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It is kinda true, though.... ever hear of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

Illidan _should_ actually be an ally, because he's 1). Powerful, 2). Got lots of Powerful friends, and most of all 3). Is opposed to the Legion.

I mean, dang, in WC3 he single-handedly helped eradicate a powerful Legion member (gah, his name escapes me, I know it isn't Mannoroth, um.... gah, who was that again? Tichondrius?) to help the Night Elves.

They repay him, how? They banish him. Nice way to say thanks, eh?

But, sadly, the Horde and Alliance should be allies too, but Varian kinda blew that out of the water, because of his own need for vengeance for his captivity and other things if I understand the tidbits I've heard of WotLK well enough.

Edited, Oct 28th 2008 10:35pm by Zariamnk
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Professor Failzor wrote:
That's not really emo. SImply because, nobody likes him and they all tried to kill him or imprison him. Then he goes and summons the Burning Legion.


But he joined Illidan and his gang, who didn't try to do any of that stuff. They were kicking ***, taking names, then Illidan got beat by the scourge. Then it just seemed as if he went "Well nuts to this" and just called the demons on the phone.

"Hey, Kil'jaden! I was wondering if maybe you wanted to hang out this millennium? We could make a cool secret base and have a secret code and...uh yeah, good work frank, way to be loyal! ....sorry bout that, Illidan walked past. He's such a loser."

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 2:58am by Micros
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#15 Oct 28 2008 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Basically, he does a lot of evil **** in the BC expansion pack - before that I would have agreed with you. However, after he enslaves the broken (big reason for Alliance), tortures them, attacks Shattrath, corrupts orcs (big reason for Horde), tries to make new wells of eternity, nukes the cenarion expedition and those Dalaran guys...

There's also the fact that he appears a bit insane. There's no reason to trust he wouldn't use that power against us directly later on.
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Basically, he does a lot of evil sh*t in the BC expansion pack - before that I would have agreed with you. However, after he enslaves the broken (big reason for Alliance), tortures them, attacks Shattrath, corrupts orcs (big reason for Horde), tries to make new wells of eternity, nukes the cenarion expedition and those Dalaran guys...

There's also the fact that he appears a bit insane. There's no reason to trust he wouldn't use that power against us directly later on.


But yet, a lot of this is retaliation against things that were done to him in the past.

How would you feel if you were imprisoned for 10,000 years... released by your sister (IIRC?), you help her and your own race out, only to be shunned and banished to Outland, a broken world, which is a far cry from the beautiful forests you once loved.

THEN, a bunch of people encroach upon your new world, threaten you, etc. What else do you do? Grab some guys who are willing to follow you (and/or make people follow you) and crush anyone who would dare stand against you.
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I think his brothers evil... well all night elfs... there purple and have pointy ears and summon demons for lakes and stuff

the dragons should just go all Deathwing on the yonger races then theres no more problems

and less lore to read through
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Warglaives have been classified as WMDs.


Then why are guilds giving em out to scrub rogues??

Edit: Spelling

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 1:47am by Hikuu
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Hikuu wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Warglaives have been classified as WMDs.


Then why are guilds giving em out to scrub rogues??

Edit: Spelling

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 1:47am by Hikuu


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#21 Oct 28 2008 at 10:28 PM Rating: Decent
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potsoriginal wrote:
why does every1 wanna kill him?
The not-so-secret fact is he has vast reserves of oil, that both the Horde and Alliance want...
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Hikuu wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Warglaives have been classified as WMDs.


Then why are guilds giving em out to scrub rogues??

Edit: Spelling

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 1:47am by Hikuu


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#23 Oct 28 2008 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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released by your sister (IIRC?)


She was actually just a childhood friend who both he and his brother fell for, but she went with Malfurion.
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#25 Oct 29 2008 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
Hikuu wrote:
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Hikuu wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Warglaives have been classified as WMDs.


Then why are guilds giving em out to scrub rogues??

Edit: Spelling

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 1:47am by Hikuu


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He's not evil, just insane.

When the 3 of them ran into cenarious, he didnt like the druid way at all. Prefering the arcane magics. He was practically a mage in the beginning. He had golden eyes as well, the High borne and the elven culture at the time believed golden eyes mean a great fate was in store for that person.

But it actually meant great druidic potential. Illidan could have studied half as hard as Furian [who didnt have the gold eyes] and been many times more powerful a druid. But he didnt. he was more of a mage at first.

Other than the eyes, Furion was his identical twin, the reason they looked so different later is because of the paths they took in life. Tyrande chose Furion because,

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"Raw power is no substitute for true strength, Illidan. That is why I chose your brother over you."


Now the thing is, he has done things which were horribly evil, but he had a good side to him. But all that he did that was good, had the core foundation of his addiction and desire for magic and power. He had grown up with expectations of greatness from everyone and wanted to show them his true worth and his great power. In the process of doing so he ended up seeking power as an ends unto itself. he was addicted to it, desired it beyond all else [except maybe Tyrande, in his entire lifetime, pretty all his actions were either based on seeking power or seeking her]

he was originally with the highborne and the legion, his burning eyes and the spectral sight it gave him were a gift, reward and a taste of power from Sargaras hismelf. If all had gone as planned. Azhara, the queen of the highborne [the nobles of the nightelves who had access to the well of eternity] would have been Queen of the Legion, and Illidan one of his generals, Archimonde and Kil'jeadons peer.

Ofcourse he later fought against the legion with Furion and Tyrande.

he then creates a new well of eternity after the last one blew up the entire center of the continent [all the water between the 2 continents was once land and it all formed one continent]. Hundreds of millions of mortals of different races had given thier lives, much too many great heroes, gods, dragons, eternals and ancients had died defeating the legion...and he goes and recreates a new source of the very thing which has caused all of it in the first place, raw arcane magic.

Arcane magic is naturally currupting, unstable and addictive. Elunes influence saved the nightelves from this till Azhara and her ilk strayed.

The highborne were arrogant nobles, those who were rich and talented in arcane magic and thus they saw themselves as superior and kept the well of eternity to themselves. During this time the rest forsaked arcane magics and kept to their worship of Elune. Druidism eventually came to them when Cenarious revealed himself to Illidan, Furion and Tyrande. The highborne and the "lower castes" were phsyically different at this point due to the paths they had chosen and followed for centuries of passing generations, despite the fact they were the same race. They eventually gave into their lust for power and worshipped Sargaras. His legion was brought to the world and started to slaughter everyone who wasnt highborne.

later on, he consumed the skull of guldan, out of good will to save the lands and kill tichiondrous but also at the core of his motivation to consume it, was his desire for power and addiction to magic.

Kiljaedon contacts him after he's exiled for what he became by consuming the skulls magics. and asks him to destroy the lich king, who he says would wipe out all life on azeroth...plus Kiljaedon will reward him with power too.

later on he recruits the naga some how and slaughters many coastal night villages and destroys their boats so Maiev wouldnt follow him to the tomb of sargaras.

When he gets the Eye of Sargeres and uses it to kill the lich king...by making the artifact cause earthquakes to make the entire continent of northrend to collapse into itself. This accidently releases an old god locked up in northrend, and on a more positive/negative note, indirectly results in the creation of the Forsaken.

Now this sorta seems nice, and it sorta seems stupid that Furion stopped Illidan and destroyed the eye. But well...its sorta obvious that destroying an entire continent would lead to DIRE ramifications for the entire planet.

He saves Tyrande later on alongside Furion. The last good thing he'd ever manage to do.

He did at first, save outland from the legions presence. he never intended to enslave the broken but simply recruited.

In his direct assault against Arthas when he travels to Northrend, he and Arthas eventually face off rind outside the entrance to the frozen throne. Arthas is heavily empowered by being so close to the lich king [whose directing all his power into Arthas]. When warriors who are peers fight, eventually one of them has to fall. and in this fight, Illidan fell.

This broke his mind. never before had he actually FAILED in direct combat. Blizz revealed he had seen Arthas ascend and transform into the lich king. Brought to outland by keal and vashj.

When he came back he realised he needed a mightier army to stop kil'jaedon punishing him for his failure. He recruited the remaining demons who previously served the burning legion [quite a good offer, their continued survival and a promise of great power vs death at the hands of the person who defeated their leader, the mighty magtheridon]. He recruited the remaining crazed orcs from the old horde, by promising them glory and power through the blood of magtheridon.

His own mind was gone at this point. The person we knew before northrend didnt exist anymore. He enslaved the broken at this point, they would have had nothing to do with the fel orcs who had mutated them from the proud dreanai they once were, not to mention kill 80% of the dreanai population but at that point they longer had a choice in the matter.

When the races of Azeroth poured in, due to the dark portal being reopened. No one knows what Illidan declared war on the naaru and shatarath without provocation, instead of joining them. Possibly keal'thas, who was secretly working with kil'jeadon, had a role to play. it was his main army afterall who had marched up to shatar to fight them [though it ended up they joined the naaru as the scryers, knowing what their fate would be if they stayed with keal].

and also, in illidans crazed mind, the mighty naaru were beings of purity of light, they were another powerful force IN HIS LAND. He was lord and master of Outland. The shatar would never bend to his will and he would not stand for an independant group of such powerful beings to exist in his land. He was capable and powerful enough already by himself to defeat the legion alone [or so he may have thought], he didnt need anyone else.



Edited, Oct 29th 2008 12:17pm by Tenjen
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