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#1 Oct 26 2008 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Dear Blizzard,

While the implementation of the scourge is just shy of awesome, there are many players who would like to be able to enjoy it WHILE CONTINUING TO ENGAGE IN THE REST OF THEIR IN-GAME ACTIVITIES.

Why can zombies so easily kill key NPCs such as Battlemasters, Arena Masters and Flight Masters?

Why do you get durability damage from it?

Why is it so freakin hard to find a corner of the world not being harrased by a couple of kiddies so that no quest givers stand a chance?

3.0 killed skilled PvP, so I went to level an alt. I can't tell you how many times my fun has been put on hold by some L70s that decided to take their plague to some lowbie town to kill everyone.

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I mean honestly. Thank god I'm a Druid. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to outrun Zombies at L26 :P


Edited, Oct 26th 2008 6:55pm by Jordster

Edited, Oct 26th 2008 10:54pm by Jordster
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#2 Oct 26 2008 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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The only thing I oppose is the inability to turn off accidental PvP - the f-n Allies now go completely flagged right before the boss mobs are to appear at the scourge drop zones resulting in quite a few hordes accidentally targeting them and getting ganked. To make it worse, the SOBs then sit around and corpse camp the area, pouncing on any poor player dumb enough to not wait out the five minutes as a ghost.

Blizz needs to put a button in that will not allow you to hit a flagged player so that the ********* can stop playing these BS on people.
#3 Oct 26 2008 at 3:02 PM Rating: Default
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Here! Here!

I am putting my account on hold till they change this - this has absolutely burned me on WoW. I only have an hour to play at a time and now I play not at all from dying to much.

Edited, Oct 26th 2008 4:12pm by Sywryn
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#4 Oct 26 2008 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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Funny, I thought you liked World PvP.
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#5 Oct 26 2008 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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I would imagine a scourge invasion would be inconvenient and annoying to people... After all, it is zombies we are dealing with. Smiley: oyvey
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#6 Oct 26 2008 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm with the opposed. Yes yes I know The Lich King does not care for my feeling's. It's innovative (Sort of its based on the same scenario that was a bug once back in the day) It was ammusing for a while but now the game is virtually unplayable.

A game that was very interesting becuase of the large variety of things you could choose to do has been reduced to one thing that you cannot avoid. It's ok if you love it and you think it's the greatest thing every to happen in the universe ever! But Blizz needs to understand that pissing off at least half of its player base is not really a very good idea.

Anyway from what the blues are saying over on the oboards its almost over at least. Smiley: rolleyes

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#7 Oct 26 2008 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you Jordster. I understand the seriousness of the invasion. I also remember a time when I was able to accomplish even the smallest task, like porting to a major city. I had a 62 level druid that hoped to make it to 70 before WotLK arrived. My 70 deals with the invasion and occasionally joins in, dailies and achievements are just nice for her. Many people did not roll a PvP server for a reason.
#8 Oct 26 2008 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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DodoBird wrote:
Funny, I thought you liked World PvP.


I love World PvP. I play on a PvP server, and have since day 1.

I don't like fighting enemies who can waste upwards of 5 minutes of my time (depending on distance to GY) just by touching me.
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#9 Oct 26 2008 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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I just don't get all these people crying about the world event. It is an invasion for crying out loud, it's taking over the world, it's unstoppable!!! If ever you wanted a reason to go up to Northrend and kick his *** surely the Lich King has made you mad enough now that he has ruined your precious raid schedules and honor farming.

We've been grinding for a year, we have another year of it to come when the xpac hits, but people seem to be getting upset because something different is happening for 2 weeks?? Yes it's taking over the world, thats the whole point. WoW is an RPG, this is the story and the reason we are all heading up north, if you just want to go there for new shiney purples then I feel very sorry for you.
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#10 Oct 26 2008 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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I really haven't had as bad an experience with this as a lot of people seem to have had.

I had a great time last night, seemed the scourge finally made it to Honor Hold. I also don't have a lot of time to play, like someone said above, about an hour, maybe 2 at a time, but hey, poo poo happens. It won't be here forever, and I realize the frustration, but at the same time, it's part of the game; yes, it's a game.



I do think they could have made it more of an option, but it is very accurate the way it was done I think.


Edited, Oct 26th 2008 7:57pm by RathiD
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#11 Oct 26 2008 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Chamual wrote:

We've been grinding for a year, we have another year of it to come when the xpac hits, but people seem to be getting upset because something different is happening for 2 weeks??


If it lasts two weeks, then it has given me an excuse not to play WoW for two weeks. Perhaps the break will be long enough that I find other things to do and WotLK comes out, I won't be in line waiting for it.
#12 Oct 26 2008 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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Leveling alts is all but impossible right now, and that's all I (and many people) have interest in doing in WoW these days.
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#13 Oct 26 2008 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Chamual wrote:
I just don't get all these people crying about the world event. It is an invasion for crying out loud, it's taking over the world, it's unstoppable!!! If ever you wanted a reason to go up to Northrend and kick his *** surely the Lich King has made you mad enough now that he has ruined your precious raid schedules and honor farming.

We've been grinding for a year, we have another year of it to come when the xpac hits, but people seem to be getting upset because something different is happening for 2 weeks?? Yes it's taking over the world, thats the whole point. WoW is an RPG, this is the story and the reason we are all heading up north, if you just want to go there for new shiney purples then I feel very sorry for you.


That would be GREAT!

... If only I wasn't trying to level quickly.

They could have made it specific to one area ... One major city per faction, perhaps. They could have made rewards and achievements a part of it so people would actually WANT to participate.

It was REALLY cool on the first day. Somewhat cool on the second day. Now, it's purely annoying.
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#14 Oct 26 2008 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Exactly, if you don't like it, log off for 2 weeks and do something else. Don't complain because for the first time since before the expansion hit, there is something truely different and exciting happening across Azeroth and Outlands, something that will only last a short time and, you never know, you might actually enjoy if you got involved rather than farming honor points or doing raids that are nerfed so hard there's not really much point in them anymore.
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#15 Oct 26 2008 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Jordster da Basher wrote:

That would be GREAT!

... If only I wasn't trying to level quickly.

They could have made it specific to one area ... One major city per faction, perhaps. They could have made rewards and achievements a part of it so people would actually WANT to participate.

It was REALLY cool on the first day. Somewhat cool on the second day. Now, it's purely annoying.


It's a WORLD INVASION of the scourge, do you just not get it or something?
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#16 Oct 26 2008 at 4:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Chamual wrote:
Jordster da Basher wrote:

That would be GREAT!

... If only I wasn't trying to level quickly.

They could have made it specific to one area ... One major city per faction, perhaps. They could have made rewards and achievements a part of it so people would actually WANT to participate.

It was REALLY cool on the first day. Somewhat cool on the second day. Now, it's purely annoying.


It's a WORLD INVASION of the scourge, do you just not get it or something?


To a L26 Druid trying to get to 70 in 3 weeks it's just a hell of a lot more gankings, only this time I have to die twice.

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#17 Oct 26 2008 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I just don't get all these people crying about the world event. It is an invasion for crying out loud, it's taking over the world, it's unstoppable!!! If ever you wanted a reason to go up to Northrend and kick his *** surely the Lich King has made you mad enough now that he has ruined your precious raid schedules and honor farming.


There are plenty of people who would read what you said and just say "LOLRP"



edit- RP server, not surprised.

Edited, Oct 26th 2008 8:57pm by mikelolol
#18 Oct 26 2008 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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mikelolol wrote:
I just don't get all these people crying about the world event. It is an invasion for crying out loud, it's taking over the world, it's unstoppable!!! If ever you wanted a reason to go up to Northrend and kick his *** surely the Lich King has made you mad enough now that he has ruined your precious raid schedules and honor farming.


I'm not trying to single you out, but I don't understand why people who like this event keep using this explanation... Blizzard has complete control over the story. Everything that happens is 100% their decision- no plot element, including this invasion, is inevitable.

This event was their choice, and it was a bad choice, at least for my play experience. It started out really interesting and I thought it was a clever idea but it has gone too far. I hope it ends quickly.

I used a scroll of resurrection and rejoined WoW after being gone for over a year- just paid for my first month in ages a few weeks ago. I started over on a new server with new characters along with several RL friends... And now I am essentially unable to play unless I feel like just grinding. All lowbie quest giving areas are infected, all cities have their auction houses and banks blockaded, and there is absolutely no meaningful participation in the event without a level 70 character to either kill zombies or become one that lives longer than four seconds.

In short, I'm not getting the game I paid for. In fact, between lag, bugs, and this well-intentioned but awful event I'm not getting much of any game at all.
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#19 Oct 26 2008 at 5:16 PM Rating: Good
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Seriously. The idea of the event is pretty neat but it's like the entire rest of the game has been put on hold because of it. Battlemasters, bankers, and auctioneers, are always dead every time I want to use them, and I can't even get on alts because there's usually someone killing all the quest givers.

At the very least, battlemasters, and at least one auctioneer and banker per city should be immune to the plague.
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Chamual wrote:
I just don't get all these people crying about the world event. It is an invasion for crying out loud, it's taking over the world, it's unstoppable!!! If ever you wanted a reason to go up to Northrend and kick his *** surely the Lich King has made you mad enough now that he has ruined your precious raid schedules and honor farming.

We've been grinding for a year, we have another year of it to come when the xpac hits, but people seem to be getting upset because something different is happening for 2 weeks?? Yes it's taking over the world, thats the whole point. WoW is an RPG, this is the story and the reason we are all heading up north, if you just want to go there for new shiney purples then I feel very sorry for you.


Um speak for yourself. I have a moderate number of shiny purples (on my sole 70). I am a casual player and have been for over 2 years. My 60-something druid would like to make it 70 before the xpac. It isn't all about your experience, there are a variety of people who play for a variety of reasons.
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The only thing I oppose is the inability to turn off accidental PvP - the f-n Allies now go completely flagged right before the boss mobs are to appear at the scourge drop zones resulting in quite a few hordes accidentally targeting them and getting ganked. To make it worse, the SOBs then sit around and corpse camp the area, pouncing on any poor player dumb enough to not wait out the five minutes as a ghost.

Blizz needs to put a button in that will not allow you to hit a flagged player so that the ********* can stop playing these BS on people.


Funny, on Doomhammer, it's the Horde who do that
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mikelolol wrote:
I just don't get all these people crying about the world event. It is an invasion for crying out loud, it's taking over the world, it's unstoppable!!! If ever you wanted a reason to go up to Northrend and kick his *** surely the Lich King has made you mad enough now that he has ruined your precious raid schedules and honor farming.


I'm not trying to single you out, but I don't understand why people who like this event keep using this explanation... Blizzard has complete control over the story. Everything that happens is 100% their decision- no plot element, including this invasion, is inevitable.

This event was their choice, and it was a bad choice, at least for my play experience. It started out really interesting and I thought it was a clever idea but it has gone too far. I hope it ends quickly.

I used a scroll of resurrection and rejoined WoW after being gone for over a year- just paid for my first month in ages a few weeks ago. I started over on a new server with new characters along with several RL friends... And now I am essentially unable to play unless I feel like just grinding. All lowbie quest giving areas are infected, all cities have their auction houses and banks blockaded, and there is absolutely no meaningful participation in the event without a level 70 character to either kill zombies or become one that lives longer than four seconds.

In short, I'm not getting the game I paid for. In fact, between lag, bugs, and this well-intentioned but awful event I'm not getting much of any game at all.


I don't think you've yet realized, but Blizzard is catering to the Level 70 crowd. Simply because they know those are the ones who are buying the expac, who are going to be playing for the next 6 months.

The last two events had the main rewards based completely on defeating mobs that were impossible to do for anyone below 65. This event is no different. The majority of players who enjoy it, are level 70, and really, can you blame Bliz for wanting to keep the players that are most likely to stick with the game happy?
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#23 Oct 26 2008 at 5:54 PM Rating: Good
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Trade chat on my realm is lit up with profane condemnations of Blizzard the likes I've never seen.

The one thing I would have asked for is no durability loss on death if you get infected and can't get cleansed in time. I was bombing around Shat on my pally yesterday and tried to take on a pack of the NPC zombies...there was a player controlled zombie in the middle of them. I obviously got the infected debuff shortly after I started fighting (showed as 2 min countdown) but within seconds I was a zombie. I had no chance to cleanse myself...my first two attempts were resisted and then I was a zombie.

Hey thar, mr repair bill!

That's the only thing that really irked me. I'm saving for epic flight on my 5th 70 atm, nickle and dime costs are irritating, and knowing that becoming a zombie is guaranteed to force a repair bill makes me not want to participate. And that's on a new-to-70 paladin with mostly level 61-63 dungeon blues to repair. I'd be some choked if I had to fork out for the same durability loss on my druid.

Honestly, for the amount of irate players and the 3 weeks between now and the expansion, I'd say this event has to take a very dramatic shift in terms of what is going on, and soon, or there are going to be a lot of people not buying expansions. I'll still buy the expansion, but it is sort of irritating. Being a zombie is dull. You move slow, you've got only a handful of abilities, and you're just being a nuisance.

For the people who are really enjoying this, awesome. More power to you and I really hope you continue to enjoy it for the duration of the event.

Lots of people aren't, however.
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I agree with Jordster. Fabulous idea. Crappy execution.
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Trade chat on my realm is lit up with profane condemnations of Blizzard the likes I've never seen.

The one thing I would have asked for is no durability loss on death if you get infected and can't get cleansed in time. I was bombing around Shat on my pally yesterday and tried to take on a pack of the NPC zombies...there was a player controlled zombie in the middle of them. I obviously got the infected debuff shortly after I started fighting (showed as 2 min countdown) but within seconds I was a zombie. I had no chance to cleanse myself...my first two attempts were resisted and then I was a zombie.

Hey thar, mr repair bill!

That's the only thing that really irked me. I'm saving for epic flight on my 5th 70 atm, nickle and dime costs are irritating, and knowing that becoming a zombie is guaranteed to force a repair bill makes me not want to participate. And that's on a new-to-70 paladin with mostly level 61-63 dungeon blues to repair. I'd be some choked if I had to fork out for the same durability loss on my druid.

Honestly, for the amount of irate players and the 3 weeks between now and the expansion, I'd say this event has to take a very dramatic shift in terms of what is going on, and soon, or there are going to be a lot of people not buying expansions. I'll still buy the expansion, but it is sort of irritating. Being a zombie is dull. You move slow, you've got only a handful of abilities, and you're just being a nuisance.

For the people who are really enjoying this, awesome. More power to you and I really hope you continue to enjoy it for the duration of the event.

Lots of people aren't, however.


I wasn't aware you lost durability on becoming a zombie, only if killed while a Zombie, by an NPC.

Even so, you say it's boring being a zombie, well, there's a very easy way out of it... Zombie Explosion. No durability lost, and you get to have your body back.
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I don't think you've yet realized, but Blizzard is catering to the Level 70 crowd. Simply because they know those are the ones who are buying the expac, who are going to be playing for the next 6 months.

The last two events had the main rewards based completely on defeating mobs that were impossible to do for anyone below 65. This event is no different. The majority of players who enjoy it, are level 70, and really, can you blame Bliz for wanting to keep the players that are most likely to stick with the game happy?


No, you're right- and the thought certainly occurred to me. The difference, though, is that this event is completely impossible for lowbies to ignore. It's not the fact that I can't participate on my new server that bothers me, it's the fact that I can't do a whole lot else until it's over AND can't participate. (And meanwhile days I payed for just keep ticking by.) The lag associated with it doesn't help any either to boost my confidence in the service I just bought back into.

I know Blizzard is catering to a specific, probably really big part of their customer base, but they still need to keep growing- or at least replacing existing customers that leave. Every day people quit, every day people come back, and every day new people join. If that wasn't an important part of their business they wouldn't have done so much to make it easy and appealing to invite a friend to join you or invite a friend back. And they certainly wouldn't be advertising on TV with Mr T and his night elf mohawk! :P

All of that is academic though, really. I'm not criticizing Bizzard's business model because they seem to be an incredibly successful business. (Heck, in the real world I'm a business analyst and I'd relish the chance to work for them- they're in a really interesting and enviable situation.) What I'm saying is just that right now this is why the event isn't working for me personally or others in my same situation, and I think that makes our complaints as customers and as players valid and not to be simply dismissed.
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