So is this scenario considered not following the 'etiquette'Follow

All is fair in Love and Warcraft.

You are and enchanter that can use it eventually. Go for it. And just because you won doesn't mean that you don't get a shot at the voids. Those have been going on throughout the entire instance so there is no reason to not recieve them once winning. Thats why there is the /roll feature in the game. So that the victor gets the spoils. Period.

I would be pissed but that's the way it goes.

You were right and I probably would have gm'ed up and gotten my void's as well.

And for the rest of you, enough of this, I don't want to talk all this stuff from a instance I feel greedy. ENOUGH! Take whatever you can use. Again, /roll. There is common logic when in guilds or with friends but PUGing its just you. You need to get what you need and get on with life. I don't understand the logic behind going into an instance for gear you need. Then passing on some of it because you already got a piece. It's there, it dropped, it's free game to roll for it.

(and yes, I have passed on items (i.e. mallet of tides for a better tank in guild) and I have needed a bunch of stuff as well (i.e. first time in kara I got 8 pieces for main and off spec....however I only rolled on off spec and no one else wanted and it was getting sharded anyway)

Edited, Sep 4th 2008 2:45am by TrojanxMan

/giggles

Oh, and I apologize for the argumentative tone. I assumed you were someone I had already been debating against, and didn't check the name.

Guild/friends run, i would have passed for the guy with 375 no problem.

PUG's hmmm. Well seeing as you are unlikely to see those people again (and they aren't ever going to group with you again ;) ) then I think you were justified in rolling for it, seeing as it is BOP and gratz for getting it. I think it was overkill to insist on the void crystals as well tho. Things like this need to be discussed BEFORE the run IMO to prevent misunderstandings happening. I wouldn't have rolled for it, but i don't tend to need on things i can't use right away, unless it's ok with the rest of the group :)

This enchant in it's BOE version dropped for me a few weeks ago while i was randomly clearing mobs to get to a mining node. I passed it to my RL friend who was chuffed to his boots and since then have used the enchant many times from him, it's an excellent enchant =D

The only thing you did wrong in my opinion is that you/your party didnt stack up the shards and roll for them after the last boss.
Because that guarantees everyone getting their fair share of enchanting mats.

I can understand the position of the paladin. Personally, I would have mentioned once more that my enchanting was not up to cap and have asked if I could roll anyway. If not, fine - he already has the ability to use it so I guess that gives him an edge. Especially since you didn't even reach 300 and were "planning" to get to 375 within a week. There's no guarantee for them that you will within a month, year or ever. I'm not saying you shouldn't have rolled, but you should have at least asked if it was okay despite your inability to use it yet. On the other hand, he knew you were an enchanter too and could have at least expected your desire to roll.

However, the fact that he kept the void crystals after you rolled is unacceptable. If he didn't want you to have them, he should have argued that he felt you shouldn't roll since you already looted the formula. Since he didn't, he had no right to keep them. That's just being childish about not winning the formula. They let you roll on the shards and you won them both. Fair and square. Was it greedy? Perhaps, but they let you roll nonetheless and didn't complain when you did - only when you won. That's their own fault, isn't it?

I'd be more careful in the future with this kind of thing. Especially in a PuG it's useful to discuss loot rules instead of assuming the have the same system you're used to.

But personally, I'd have passed on the formula (because I had asked them and thus know they didn't want me to roll)and walked off with two void crystals in my pocket.

Edited, Sep 4th 2008 11:34am by Hence

A few dont seem to be aware of this. Its not widely known, so heres it is clear and open.

Heroic kealthas in MagT has a chance to drop BOP versions of certain recipes that are world BOE drops such as the boot enchant recipes such as boars speed, and cats speed. he also can drop mana potion injector.

These are physically differentiated ingame [well the same item but different registry ingame] from your usual BOE drop.

like all BOP recipe drops in TBC, they only appear to the person with the proffesion.


Edited, Sep 4th 2008 10:28am by Tenjen

Edited, Sep 5th 2008 10:10am by Tenjen

This is the short and skinny of how I see it when it comes to enchanters and formula drops.
All enchanters can roll on any and all formulas they do not already know. The rest of the instance means nothing. They have a roll system so everyone has a chance. If you win the roll or not, tough. It is what it is. You want it? Get a higher roll than the other enchanters. If you don't, wah. Cry me a river. That is how it works. He was as much entitled to it as the paladin enchanter. Simple as that.

As for the shards, again, anyone who worked to get there has a right to roll for them. Yes you can be polite and say 'hey, I got x,y and z let them have it. But that is why they have a Greed and a Need roll. It may not be fair, but life is not fair. Get used to it. He won the rolls, he did his share of work getting there, he has every right to them. As for being a ninja? Personally I am sick of that word. If you are too stupid to use Master Looter then anyone who wins an item by a greed roll that you did not want them to win, is your fault and your problem, not ours. If I need it, I Need it, if I want it, I Greed it. Establish your loot rules before you step one foot inside. Set loot rules to Master Looter if you are worried about someone winning something you want, and discuss it. Don't sit there and cry me a river because I 'ninja'd' something I rolled for and won fair and square that you wanted. Greed BoEs and talk about the BoPs and there won't be such childish drama. Grow the hell up.It's not like you can't run the instance more than once.

Congrats on the formula. Too bad they were too immature to give over the shards.



Rhen

I completely agree with this principle with one exception: it's happened multiple times on my server for a PUG like the OP's to /kick the strangers from the group without warning once they reach Kael'thas. They then bring in guildies to attempt the last boss and keep all the phat lootz to themselves.

What really burns me is that the OP's situation reinforces that practice, however admittedly heinous it might be.


Edit: my 2c = you're in the right to roll on the formula, but wrong to roll on shards or nether or any other contested item after winning the formula.


Edited, Sep 4th 2008 9:06am by HoyadinFTW

Agree with Mikelol

Xzeqq, you fascinate me. Clearly you will go far on these forums.

Edited, Sep 4th 2008 12:09pm by Wondroustremor

I altered the quote to add caps to the part I have a problem with...

Just because the OP swithched to enchanting 2 days ago has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW LONG HE KEPT ANY OF HIS PREVIOUS PROFESSIONS AND IS NO INDICATION OF HIS PROPENSITY TO CHANGE THEM!

If he changed 2 days ago and already got it to 280 or whatever, he is obviously dedicated to levelling the profession and likely WILL be able to use the pattern in a week or less, maybe even the same day if he busts his butt. Who knows? He may have had his previous professions for like 4 YEARS before switching either one of them and just FINALLY got tired of one of them or whatever, or just recently switched from a gathering profession to enchanting. Assuming that he is not dedicated to enchanting just because he only picked it up 2 days ago makes no sense, especially since he got it from 0 to 280 in 2 days!

Your group is stupid for rolling on shards the way they do.

The best way to do it is for everyone who didn't receive a drop to roll at the end. If you have 3 shards the top 3 rolls each get one.

I would have either passed on the formula because the other enchanter could use it then and I'm not high enough or I would have passed on the shards due to already getting something.

Either way you did it wrong. Not because you rolled on everything but because you didn't communicate what you were planning on doing. The correct etiquette would be to politely state that you want to roll on the formula because you're at 295 enchanting. Then your group could have argued and/or come up with an agreement that everyone would be willing to go along with. They might not like the results but they agreed to it. Talk first, roll later.