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#27 Aug 11 2008 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is it normal that instead of finding those threads cute, they get me mad?


I'm the first to admit I'm not for everyone, but in my defense, there was a silly tag, just in case my name wasn't enough to indicate that maybe it wasn't a thread those who aren't into inanity ought to read. If you keep opening them up in the hope that one day I'll be all wise and serious, let me just save you the trouble and acknowledge that it'll never happen. ;)


Its normal Tyr, you must take the game more serious than teacake and I do! :) I play the game for fun, and sure as heck I chuckle at other people's stupidity and n00bness. I hope most people laugh at me too!
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#28 Aug 11 2008 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh no, do carry on. My blood pressure shouldn't be your concern when writting those. You get a lot of rate up and a lot of views, so obviously a lot of people enjoy them and sympathise with your inability to cope under pressure (or Goober-ness as you put it). :P

I just have a hard time not sympathising with the 24 other people who's time your wasting instead. :(

It just makes me think of all the time I've had to run back to my corpse because of 'goober-ness' from a follow guildmate kicked in. Just last night our paladin in charge of BoP the mage tank on Illidari Council 'forgot' to do it. Resulting in a pointless wipe. Really makes me wish there was a Wow Compatible Tyrandor version of iChoke-U.

Edited, Aug 11th 2008 2:24pm by Tyrandor
#29 Aug 11 2008 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Warchief Tyrandor wrote:
I just have a hard time not sympathising with the 24 other people who's time your wasting instead. :(


Lest anyone think I'm cavalier about 24 people's time and repair bills, let me say that I sympathize with them too. I was mortified, I assure you. (In fact, I took it a lot harder than they did.) But if I can't laugh at my own stupidity, it's really not fair for me to laugh at other people's. Which, I'm not about to stop doing that.


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Resulting in a pointless wipe


It's nifty that you yourself have never made a stupid mistake that resulted in something like this, but no matter how good you are, odds are not in your favor of it never happening. When it does, I hope you'll be able to laugh about it. If I was your guildmate, I sure would.


Edited, Aug 11th 2008 2:42pm by teacake
#30 Aug 11 2008 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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teacake wrote:
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Resulting in a pointless wipe


It's nifty that you yourself have never made a stupid mistake that resulted in something like this, but no matter how good you are, odds are not in your favor of it never happening. When it does, I hope you'll be able to laugh about it. If I was your guildmate, I sure would.


I agree. All wipes are fairly pointless and a waste of people's time, aren't they? The fact is, we've all done it. No one's perfect and everyone makes silly mistakes. We laugh about them all the time. A warlock in our guild will never live down jumping into the pit of sacrifice in Sunken Temple (I thought it was a way down!) or our mage and fearless leader who sheeped himself on a spell reflect, my hubby's rogue who tried to sap without stealthing first, and my hunter who accidentally sicced her pet on the last boss in Underbog because I was taking a screenshot and hit the button I have mapped to my pet attack by mistake. I feel bad when that stuff happens too, I don't like being the cause of a wipe. But jeez, if you can't have fun while you're playing and laugh about those kinds of things,it makes it a little too much like a job, doesn't it?

Edited, Aug 11th 2008 3:09pm by KassandrahKnight
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#31 Aug 11 2008 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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KassandrahKnight wrote:
our mage and fearless leader who sheeped himself on a spell reflect,


Sheeped himself? That's a classic. LOL.

Even funnier than mages nuking ourselves to death on a spell reflect, which I've done more than once. Trinket + AP + PoM Pyro + spell reflect = Ouch. Scorched robe, crispy Gnome.
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Teacake, I know you're normally a drood, but were you running on a Pally by any chance? I'm asking because I was in Gruul's on Sunday and we had a Pally do the exact same thing. He/she even had the same excuse - accidentally hit the auto-run button.

To be honest, there were no cheers from those of us who saw it happen. When the door slammed shut, I knew doom was approaching.

What made it worse was that he bubbled, sending Gruul to the rest of the raid. I know we would have died anyway, but why bubble? If you spoil the awesomesauce like that, suck it up and die first.
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#33 Aug 11 2008 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Teacake, I know you're normally a drood, but were you running on a Pally by any chance? I'm asking because I was in Gruul's on Sunday and we had a Pally do the exact same thing. He/she even had the same excuse - accidentally hit the auto-run button.


Wasn't me, I swear! But I'm glad to know that now y'all will be wondering, every time you see someone do something stupid, if it's me. I iz in ur instance, wiping ur group.

My main is a priest now and I was playing her (I hardly ever take the druid out anymore, poor thing).

BTW, I have changed my Autorun key.


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To be honest, there were no cheers from those of us who saw it happen.


I understand. Like I said, I was pretty abashed. But my guild is definitely more the cheering and laughing type. It's a good fit for me. I dunno if they'd cheer if someone did that on one of their "real" raids (I think they're in TK now) but TBH, probably.

Edited, Aug 11th 2008 4:47pm by teacake
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Oh man, I've done my fair share of wipes but we have a legend amongst our guild.

My good friend in real life plays a warlock on Ysondre, and his name is Corneliusbob. Cornbob as we all call him has the reputation to pull aggro off of all tanks because he love when he kicks out 6k dps on trash pulls using seed. Well, we've developed the saying "Cornbobbed" as the term dubbed for ******** up. I'll begin to list his folleys.

One day in Kara vent was silent and we were just about to pull Aran and all you hear over vent is "LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROY COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORNBOOOOOOB" and there the little gnome goes running into shade's room. He is immediately waxed and the door pops back open and shade comes running out after the rest of us.

In Gruul's he dies every trash pull because he ends up face pulling something.

I've yet to run any instance or raid where he hasn't been able to pull aggro off of a tank, even with salv.
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Oh, teacake.

If you weren't married, with children and old enough to be my m... big sister, you'd have my heart. Instead, please have my salty tears of laughter.

Ps. Was it Poldaran who had a "pull" named after him? I can't remember.

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#36 Aug 11 2008 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
Oh it's salty, but that's not tears you sick man! Smiley: jawdrop
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#37 Aug 11 2008 at 3:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mazra wrote:
If you weren't married, with children and old enough to be my m... big sister, you'd have my heart.


LOL. Aunt, maybe. But if it's any consolation, I am married to, well, not a Dane, but a man of Danish ancestry anyhow, and I've got a Danish surname. :)
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Ps. Was it Poldaran who had a "pull" named after him? I can't remember.


Smiley: laugh

Actually, it wasn't the pulling of adds that was named after me by my guild, but what I did in response to it.

The setting: Zul'gurub, pre-TBC. Clearing to Bloodlord Mandokir.
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During a routine trash pull, Poldaran retargets the sheep and resheeps(love my focus macro nowadays!), then proceeds to tab target back to the current FF. Due to the lack of raid target icons(this was before their time), a bit of lag, and a slight bit of not paying attention, Poldaran targets a Blooddrinker in an unpulled pack of 4 Blooddrinkers(a guaranteed wipe!). Poldaran then proceeds to frostbolt(yeah, I know, I wasn't always a die hard fire mage) said Blooddrinker. Upon seeing the bolt fly off away from what the group was fighting.

With the reaction speed of a startled cat hopped up on methamphetamines, Poldaran assesses the situation and acts. While the rest of the group was crying out over TS things like "Um, what the hell was that?" and "Oh sh*t!", Poldaran cries out, "DON'T HEAL POLDARAN!" and proceeds to use blink to get into the group of mobs, allowing the blooddrinkers to beat the poor mage into a lifeless bloody pulp before they could get close enough to aggro the entire group and wipe the raid.

Hence, "Pulling a Poldaran" came to be defined as "Performing a boneheaded act that could cause the swift death of everyone around you but reacting swiftly and rectifying the situation with an amazing show of quick thinking and the ability to die so quickly that they don't make cameras fast enough to record your death." Or something like that.

An additional term that was coined shortly thereafter was "Poldaran time". This term refered to something that happened so quickly that it could be said to happen as fast as Poldaran dying after pulling aggro. There was a thing to be said for people only having 2500 health at 60.

Edited, Aug 12th 2008 3:45am by Poldaran
#39 Aug 12 2008 at 12:12 AM Rating: Decent
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That is swift ^^ :) I'm gonna have to remember that for the next time I do that. Haven't in a while, so I'm probably due.
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The SSC bridges to each pack of mobs at the beginning can be devastating. Must have been our third time in SSC, and we were heading against Lurker.
Atleast 6 persons (including me) were jumping sideways while waiting for the RL to mark up the trashmobs. ALL of us managed to jump over the edge and down to the scary little fishies.
I'm the only one who comes back on the piperamp alive :( (thank god for Feign Death!)

Also been having some fun with random MDs on the mages in our raids :>
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#41 Aug 12 2008 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
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Yea...we've all done this.

In reference to Tyrandor's comment I think that there is a line where sometimes its okay to be pissed off about a wipe. And the other side is that some wipes you just have to laugh.

It doesn't matter if its progression or farm status.

My guild has had Hydross on farm for months now, we stop by to kill him and Lurker so we can clear the way to Vashj after a Hyjal run where we were working on Azgalor and doing awesome for our first night of attempts.

Shammy drops Searing Totem by accident and we wipe. Vent was filled with laughter and light hearted mocking.

Then there has been other times like on our first Leotheras attempts where people weren't playing their best. We got him to 8% and wiped, okay it was like our 4th try on him. We didn't get him below 50% for the rest of the night and people got angry about it, rightly so.

If you are in a hardcore raid guild I would agree that wipes like an accidental auto run shouldn't happen and are reason to be annoyed.

But when a wipe is an accident and not incompetence its fine to laugh at it. A good idea even, cause when you laugh at it most people don't take it as hard.

There are exceptions of course.
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The occasional mistake can be more than annoying. But if you can't laugh at the occasional bout of stupidity on your own part, then, more than likely, you're missing the biggest joke around (I know I would be. :D)

Now, my guild (for various reasons, chief being we have a lot of new players and are extremely low key) are getting into Kara. We can manage up to Curator without too many hassles. One of our more, uhm, interesting experiences involves a hunter who was in her first trip into Kara, a recent 70 and had solo'd most of her way to 70. Sound familiar? We'd taken to letting her MD onto the pally tank for the pulls around the table while clearing to Moroes. First two tables, she did fine. No problems and everyone had fun. Third pull comes along. She's not paying attention to who she's clicking on for the MD target. When I see the entire table come screaming straight for me (and my just a squishy old priest) I about freaked. After we picked ourselves up off the floor (Thank Bob for Shamans and Reincarnate), we did a little AAR. During this whole time she's babbling in TS about how sorry she was and that it was all her fault. After we read the logs (and got her calmed down enough to understand what she was saying), I just started laughing hysterically. I had mentioned to my wife (also in the raid) that things were going a little too smoothly and I was waiting for the other shoe to drop. Not 30 seconds after I said that, the mis-MD pull happened. Now, whenever something weird or unexpected happens, everyone pops out with a "Sham, what did you say this time?"

Not as funny as Poldaran time, but I'm rather attached to it. Smiley: grin
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Our Guild Master is a holy priest and every main Kara run she dies at least 12 times. It's gotten so bad that the warlock has started to soulstone me because out of the two of us, I'm more likely to live long enough to see the boss. It is now a guild term that when the healer dies during a trash pull (and not even a trash pull gone wrong) it is called "doing a Deria". Because of her amazing ability to die horribly in the first 2 minutes of a boss fight I have main healed Curator, Maiden, Attunmen, and two of the Opera events. All with about 1300 +heal. It's almost enough to give me a stroke sometimes.

Though the current winner for stupid and pointless deaths has to go to our raid leader, an elemental shaman. We were fighting the consortium looking guys when in vent we hear "Hey! I'm tanking!" Then the RL goes down before me or Deria can get a heal off. I raise him, while the tank (somehow being possessed by god knows what) pulls. The RL only has about 2k hp at this point since I had to start healing the tank. Once more we hear, "Hey! I'm tanking!" followed immediately by "Wow...I'm dead again..."
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#44 Aug 12 2008 at 6:12 AM Rating: Default
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This probably nothing to do with the current conversation, but I have never done a raid, so what lvl is it best/essential to start raiding?

(( btw I don't blame them for yelling WTF at you, cos that was one stupid but incredibly brave thing to do I'm guessing :) ))
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There's a sizable difference between '******** up' because you misjudged or miscalculated something (Especially on a new encounter, that's the learning process) and ******** up because of incompetence/doing something stupid.

Oh, don't get me wrong. We all have brainfarts. We all ***** up from time to time. And it can causes a lot of laughter. I remember one of our Warlock drowning on Lurker... guess he never heard of unending breath? Smiley: dubious

Heck, once I took an announced 5 minutes afk, in the room right before Teron Gorefiend. Since he's on farm, the raid leader figured they'd 24 man him. First construct target? Me. Despite being outside the room. As the kids say, GG.

On one of our early RoS attempt, I was the first in the kick rotation and my finger slipped and I hit S&D instead of kick... which started my GCD and made me miss the kick. That was pretty awesome, the 'rogue captain' ******** up what he was berating his rogues for ******** up because a retarded monkey could do it. Instant karma.

I'm not 'perfect'.

But there's a point where it stops being funny and becomes irritating. Teacake (Bless her little heart) has an almost weekly column of gooberness (Even coined a term for it >_>). We have had people over the years who were 'constant ***** ups'... they aren't with the guild anymore. But we're good guys, we try to help. We talk to the ***** ups. We give him/her tips. Sometime, they pick up and improve... sometime, they don't. It takes a considerable level of frustration to set in before we ask someone to leave... but at some point, you have to if you want to keep progressing (and lower your blood pressure).

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I agree. All wipes are fairly pointless and a waste of people's time, aren't they?


Actually, wipes are part of raiding, and they are part of the learning experience of a boss. It is foolish to think you'll always walk in and 1 shot a boss. A wipe is a waste of time when you don't learn anything from it.

In the example I gave, this was the 7th attempt of the night on that given boss, the paladin forgetting to use BoP and causing a wipe, forcing re-rez and re-buff didn't make us learn anything :P.

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Our Guild Master is a holy priest and every main Kara run she dies at least 12 times. It's gotten so bad that the warlock has started to soulstone me because out of the two of us, I'm more likely to live long enough to see the boss. It is now a guild term that when the healer dies during a trash pull (and not even a trash pull gone wrong) it is called "doing a Deria". Because of her amazing ability to die horribly in the first 2 minutes of a boss fight I have main healed Curator, Maiden, Attunmen, and two of the Opera events. All with about 1300 +heal. It's almost enough to give me a stroke sometimes.


See, that's the kind of thing I couldn't tolerate.

Dying from time to time to a genuine bonehead mistake or being a bit of a slow learner on new content are something... but being a bad player is a totally different story.
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Last night we downed Twins for the first time on our second night of attempts. We killed the first one and raid was collapsing behind the warlock tanks target I got all excited and didnt stay in position and heal lock. Lock dipped to 20% health because of it and I almost **** my pants, in fact I distinctly remember yelping like a girl over vent when he got that low. My bad, could have wiped the raid got lucky and it didn't.

**** happens, we all zig when we should have zagged. It is repeating it, that makes me want to choke a *****. It is the guys who after clearing trash always forget "DONT STAND NEXT TO THE GUY WHO WHEN NOT SHEEPED DOES AOE IN A 20 yard area around him". Or the guy who has to die to somehting before he remembers to watch out for it, then comes back the next week and the exact same thing happens for 6-8 weeks in a row. Especially now that we are in SWP, 1-2 people dying at the wrong time wipes the raid, unlike anything in BT/Hyjal, Archimonde included.
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Teacake (Bless her little heart) has an almost weekly column of gooberness (Even coined a term for it >_>).


I think most people who've run with me would actually classify me as a pretty good healer, but posting about the times I did everything right is hardly entertaining. Smiley: clown I'm inexperienced. I'm learning. And I tend toward the nervous. But I take advice, and I don't make the same mistake twice.
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We've started bringing along a red shirt to give to the member who dies the most. This is, of course in honor of the poor red-shirted extras on Star Trek who were always sacrifcied to whichever meanie Kirk et al were facing that week. Whoever wins the shirt, must wear it until they make a run where they don't win it.

The shirt typically goes to a 'lock or mage, though (thankfully) it rarely goes to the same guy twice. I made 5 to start with, and still have 3 in my bank. The two that are in use have been circulated around the guild pretty thoroughly.

We started this to keep some levity to our raids, but we've also unexpectedly learned that we don't have any one or two folks who die disproportionately to the rest. And we learned that 'locks and mages are called squishies for very good reasons. But the death wealth is spread equally amongst them all.
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We've started bringing along a red shirt to give to the member who dies the most. This is, of course in honor of the poor red-shirted extras on Star Trek who were always sacrifcied to whichever meanie Kirk et al were facing that week. Whoever wins the shirt, must wear it until they make a run where they don't win it.


That is full of win, lol Smiley: nod
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Don't feel bad - my first Mag I right clicked the necro I was supposed to tank instead of TAB targetting him.

As for Gruul, Egbert gave the entire raid a heart attack one time when he suddenly decided to run over to get a better look at Gruul while we were still prepping. :LOL:
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The Red Shirt idea wins this thread. We can stop talking now.

And Tyr, yea I agree completely. As for it being the 7th attempt of the night, its entirely possible that people were getting worn down and tired. If that was the case I could forgive it, if they were just being an idiot then yea I would be pissed too.
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