There's a sizable difference between '******** up' because you misjudged or miscalculated something (Especially on a new encounter, that's the learning process) and ******** up because of incompetence/doing something stupid.
Oh, don't get me wrong. We all have brainfarts. We all ***** up from time to time. And it can causes a lot of laughter. I remember one of our Warlock drowning on Lurker... guess he never heard of unending breath?
Heck, once I took an
announced 5 minutes afk, in the room right before Teron Gorefiend. Since he's on farm, the raid leader figured they'd 24 man him. First construct target? Me. Despite being outside the room. As the kids say, GG.
On one of our early RoS attempt, I was the first in the kick rotation and my finger slipped and I hit S&D instead of kick... which started my GCD and made me miss the kick. That was pretty awesome, the 'rogue captain' ******** up what he was berating his rogues for ******** up because a retarded monkey could do it. Instant karma.
I'm not 'perfect'.
But there's a point where it stops being funny and becomes irritating. Teacake (Bless her little heart) has an almost weekly column of gooberness (Even coined a term for it >_>). We have had people over the years who were 'constant ***** ups'... they aren't with the guild anymore. But we're good guys, we try to help. We talk to the ***** ups. We give him/her tips. Sometime, they pick up and improve... sometime, they don't. It takes a considerable level of frustration to set in before we ask someone to leave... but at some point, you have to if you want to keep progressing (and lower your blood pressure).
KassandrahKnight wrote:
I agree. All wipes are fairly pointless and a waste of people's time, aren't they?
Actually, wipes are part of raiding, and they are part of the learning experience of a boss. It is foolish to think you'll always walk in and 1 shot a boss. A wipe is a waste of time when you don't learn anything from it.
In the example I gave, this was the 7th attempt of the night on that given boss, the paladin forgetting to use BoP and causing a wipe, forcing re-rez and re-buff didn't make us learn anything :P.
Therenody wrote:
Our Guild Master is a holy priest and every main Kara run she dies at least 12 times. It's gotten so bad that the warlock has started to soulstone me because out of the two of us, I'm more likely to live long enough to see the boss. It is now a guild term that when the healer dies during a trash pull (and not even a trash pull gone wrong) it is called "doing a Deria". Because of her amazing ability to die horribly in the first 2 minutes of a boss fight I have main healed Curator, Maiden, Attunmen, and two of the Opera events. All with about 1300 +heal. It's almost enough to give me a stroke sometimes.
See, that's the kind of thing I couldn't tolerate.
Dying from time to time to a genuine bonehead mistake or being a bit of a slow learner on new content are something... but being a bad player is a totally different story.