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#77 Aug 08 2008 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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MrFredII wrote:
Based on my friends' experience, admittedly a small sample set, the private servers track the patch releases of the WoW client. In other words, you need a current (or fairly recent) client to play on some if not all of the private servers. So you may or may not be playing retail, but you are paying blizzard your $15 for client support either way.


What?

You can download client patches from other sources than using the torrent thing embedded into the WoW launcher program. So you can get the most recent client updates without having to launch the program at all. Just install the game (which can be downloaded over the internet), apply the most recent patch (which can also be downloaded over the internet), log onto a private server (which can, again, also be downloaded over the internet) and play the game without paying Blizzard as much as a dime.

I fail to see why you would need an active subscription to play on a private server. It's the whole point of having shared private servers in the first place. Lack of funds to pay for a regular subscription.

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#78 Aug 08 2008 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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If you have an active account and also run a private server locally (read: that no one else can enter), I really don't mind that. Test servers can be, and probably are being, used by a lot of dedicated players to optimize guides, etc. It's still as illegal as running a private server for a thousand freebies, but my personal opinion is that it's "okay."

However, this site doesn't condone the use of private servers at all, and as a part of the community here, that's what you have to accept. The guy did something you might argue is harmless - seeing as he (most likely) already has an active account - to the benefit of the community, but he did it by breaking the rules. His only mistake was to tell us.


Actually, that's fair enough.:)

So long as we treat them with, "Hey, don't mention private servers around here, we don't support their use," and not nasty messages. Ozone wasn't really being nasty, but I felt that the post read very condescendingly to the private server user in question.

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#79vostran, Posted: Aug 08 2008 at 3:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First off, hi to all Americans, welcome to the planet. Please feel to leave you nations laws behind at your borders. You'll find outside of your borders you have a great deal more freedom to choose and to act as you please, for example, did you know that many countries outside of the US don't have draconian copyright laws and some would never imagine that you could have a contract without a real piece of paper to prove it existed.
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Vostran, I've read through your post twice and I'm still not sure what your opinion is.

Allow me to hold your banner while you write it down in plain English.
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#81 Aug 08 2008 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I understood just fine, Mazra.
#82 Aug 09 2008 at 12:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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So long as we treat them with, "Hey, don't mention private servers around here, we don't support their use," and not nasty messages. Ozone wasn't really being nasty, but I felt that the post read very condescendingly to the private server user in question.


I agree in that I feel people should be informed of their error, and ignored. They should also face public scrutiny any time that they attempt to ask a question or get advice until the situation is corrected. They should not however be flamed or attacked in any way.

I disagree in the respect that I do object to people using private servers to for test or academic reasons. As there is nothing "socially" wrong with ripping a CD that you own, I think it makes more sense to compare this situation to someone who records a bootleg of a concert and takes it home for their own personal use (they won't release it for profit or otherwise and it wont be accessable to anyone else) which does have negative social connotations. So much so, that it's usually illegal. It's wrong, if they want to hear live music they should continue to go to shows and if they want to hear recorded music they should obtain it through the proper channels.

Much the same, I feel that any testing should be done on official servers. If something isn't accessable yet, it's because it's not supposed to be accessable. In such cases, testing just has to wait.

Blizzard owns WoW. They own your accounts, your characters, most of the client, the whole shabang. You own the media that the client comes on. Not only do they own it, they manufacture it. Here in Canada, it's even illegal to sell items (retail or otherwise) without following the instructions of the manufacturer. Yes, a store can own something -- and they can't sell it unless all manufacturer regulations are met. Hell, in order to buy Lacquer Thinner or Nitrocellulose based products you have to testify by oath that it is for an approved use. My brother receives fine notifications constantly because his store (like most hardware stores here) does NOT abide by this law. And rightly so (being fined) -- it's wrong.

Even if a particular private server does not take revenue from Blizzard, even if it goes so far as to generate clientelle for Blizzard through promoting the game, the operator is stealing from Blizzard (not all theft is monetary) as an owner. As a manufacturer, their product is being subjected to forbidden use.

Finally (since this is the analogy thread of the year) I remember when I was in highschool (haha, I can still remember that far back) my sister took my bicycle (she had just moved out) and started using it frequently. I didn't use it at all, hadn't used it in years, and had no intentions of using it in the future. I didn't lose anything by her taking it. She still stole it. She was still a criminal for it. Taking or using someone else's property without their permission just plain shouldn't happen. Just as my sister should have gone out and bought a bike (or come to an arrangement with me) -- a private server operator that uses it for personal testing should find a way to do those tests on an official server. If it isn't possible, it's not meant to be.

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#83 Aug 09 2008 at 2:00 AM Rating: Good
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Webjunky wrote:
I understood just fine, Mazra.


You're also from New York, mate. You might as well be reading his mind.

I think I understood that he doesn't mind private servers. I think. Could be the other way around, though. The important question is: where have you been for the last eight months?
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Vos, your reasoning is exactly why the US is so far behind in technology.




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#85 Aug 09 2008 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Mazra wrote:
Just like private servers are officially frowned upon here, so is illegal downloading of songs. The difference is that no one talks about downloading songs illegally, yet, people keep talking about private servers.


Depends on where you live. It's illegal to upload in Canada, but downloading is legal. There's a difference between private servers and downloading songs, more so that you can't easily compare them. Downloading songs is illegal in some areas, however in others it isn't. Playing on a private server is frowned upon by all, except for people who play on it.

Punishment is not dealt out for playing on a private server, but it is for downloading illegally. That's why people talk about private servers and not downloading illegally.
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#86 Aug 09 2008 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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Punishment is not dealt out for playing on a private server, but it is for downloading illegally. That's why people talk about private servers and not downloading illegally.


Want to run that one by me again? Assuming our anonymity here is actually a load of crap (which isn't as far from the truth as you'd like to think), I'd say we're equally scre-heeeewed, whether we're getting banned from the game by Blizzard or charged with a $10,000 fine by the feds or whoever dishes out those fines where you live.

One might argue that a $10,000 fine is a helluva lot worse than permanent bannination from The Greatest Game Everâ„¢, but the point is that punishment occurs in both situations. Provided the authorities have the means to track us down here.
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