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#1 Aug 04 2008 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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Soz guys and gals. In the Shammy forums I sorta made an assumption and spoke for all of us. I'm aware it was out of my bounds to do so, but I was pretty solid on my position, and hoped (in arrogance) that I was able to represent the Alla community. As I claimed to speak for the community, I open myself to critique and apologize if I stepped out of bounds or portrayed an opinion anyone is not in agreement with.
Here's what I posted (OP name & topic not here (yeah, I know its easy enough to find)):

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I'm sure what you've posted here was done for the benefit of other players.

I'm sure that you will continue to receive no feedback for your effort (Its been 3 days now, granted the shammy forum is a bit slow this week, but, none the less...).

I'm also sure that, as a new poster, you were excited to share this info and may be disappointed at a lack of interest or reply, which can be disheartening.

So, I'm going to take it upon myself to speak for not only the Shammy community here, but for the Alla community in general. A bit arrogant, yes (actually very assumptive and arrogant), but I think I can pretty much sum it up in two points (and am open to suffering a beating and downrating by the community if I am wrong):

1) The Alla community is a huge information share. If you've cruised the boards you will see people exchanging info on questlines, specs, gear upgrades, etc... We all work in game to achieve goals, then share the information with others so that they can be a bit more aware and informed on future labors. We have our share of disagreements, spats, egos, and arrogance, but it is all respected as each of us has earned the right to have an opinion.

2) Any testing you run, ir-regardless of its good intent, is irrelevant to legal players, as is any post relating to the game you may make. You have no real experience of grinding for days, working up gold to change specs, or experimenting with a mish-mash of what gear you can afford, earn or quest for. On legal servers, with registered players, and in Alla, this is what we do. We learn through effort, trial and error, communication, incredible expenses, multiple respecs, and a lot of deaths - then share the info within the community to better each other.

So, thanks for the information and kudos for the thoughts, but, as soon as I read:
'...albeit on my WotLK private server.', I completely disregarded your post.
I shall do so for all posts you make in the future, unless, of course, you decided to play legally, grind like the rest of us, and earn the right to speak.

I look forward to seeing your name associated with the topic "I just bought WoW".

Oz



Edited, Aug 4th 2008 8:37pm by OzoneSSX
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#2 Aug 04 2008 at 4:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nope, you did just fine. Too bad he isn't wanted here being a private server player.
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#3 Aug 04 2008 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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OzoneSSX wrote:
Soz guys and gals. In the Shammy forums I sorta made an assumption and spoke for all of us. I'm aware it was out of my bounds to do so, but I was pretty solid on my position, and hoped (in arrogance) that I was able to represent the Alla community. As I claimed to speak for the community, I open myself to critique and apologize if I stepped out of bounds or portrayed an opinion anyone is not in agreement with.
Here's what I posted (OP name & topic not here (yeah, I know its easy enough to find))

You posted jes' fine. The only problem I had with your post was that you were much kinder to the cheating skinflint that I would have been. You really have to work on your non-aggression problem.
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ohmikeghod the Venerable wrote:
You posted jes' fine. The only problem I had with your post was that you were much kinder to the cheating skinflint that I would have been. You really have to work on your non-aggression problem.


Point taken. Just went to e-bay and ordered me a copy of Richard Simmons' 'Let Out Aggression and Learn to Kill...grrrrr!'. Nice thing is I got a free copy of 'Sweatin' to the Oldies' as a bonus.
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#5 Aug 04 2008 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
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The only thing you did wrong was "ir-regardless"
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#6 Aug 05 2008 at 11:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Support the OP but the word "ir-regardless" made me involuntarily flinch and duck. You see, way back when, my high school English teacher had the amazing ability to clip a nose from 50 paces hard enough to make it bleed. Ir-regardless is one of the words that would activate the mighty eraser.
#7 Aug 05 2008 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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Oddly enough, I never spell it with a hyphen, always spell it as irregardless. Was typing rather quick and on the fly (and with a bit of a buzz), probably did it on autopilot.
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#8 Aug 05 2008 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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It's more of a matter that irregardless is not grammatically correct.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless

However, like many words that are considered bad form, the more people use it incorrectly the more likely it may become standard. (See the pronunciation of nuclear.)
#9 Aug 05 2008 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
And people thought I was just lazy saying regardless! Ha! Haha!
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#10 Aug 05 2008 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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This issue of private servers has always baffled me. Is there really someone at Blizzard with enough Cajones to smuggle out the server software? Don't they have security? Strip and cavity searches? I can't believe someone can actually reverse engineer this stuff.
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Whenever someone posts screen shots from a private server it always seems to be missing things. I don't think they're fully functional.
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#12 Aug 05 2008 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm inflammable! *gets the water bucket out*

English is a silly language sometimes.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inflammable

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medeardorff wrote:
This issue of private servers has always baffled me. Is there really someone at Blizzard with enough Cajones to smuggle out the server software? Don't they have security? Strip and cavity searches? I can't believe someone can actually reverse engineer this stuff.


Is that how it's done? I don't think it's that hard... but then again, I don't know how to do it, so I don't know how hard it is or isn't...
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Well said!
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Tovin wrote:
Well said!


I can't agree. Sorry, guys, I'm a spirit-of-the-law guy, not letter-of-the-law.

Here is the post in question, on the shaman forums, by the guy:

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I know this has been thought of before: Make an Enchancement Shaman with crazy haste gear and see what kind of damage you can do.
I decided to test this so we could all stop wondering.

My main goals were to see how much DPS was attainable, and to determine if Flametongue Weapon would be more viable at such extreme speeds.
All testing was done on a level 70 Troll Shaman, albeit on my WotLK private server.

Burning Crusade Gear:
Head: Duplicitous Guise
Neck: Clutch of Demise
Shoulder: Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes
Back: Cloak of Unforgivable Sin
Chest: Arrow-fall Chestguard
Wrist: Bindings of Lightning Reflexes
Hands: Fists of Mukoa
Waist: Valestalker Girdle
Legs: Shallow-grave Trousers
Feet: Skyshatter Greaves
Ring1: Band of Devastation
Ring2: Band of Devastation
Trinket1: Blackened Naaru Silver
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Main Hand: Swiftsteel Bludgeon
Off Hand: Swiftsteel Bludgeon

WotLK Talent Build:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=hV0hZhxxcoEdIgkgz

Phase 1 Test results:
DPS and Attack Speed:

With this gear, my haste rating is 483, making both weapons have an attack speed of 1.11 with a total DPS of 454.9.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c187/Trilik/WoWScrnShot_080108_214127.jpg

When buffed with Berserking, Bloodlust, Flurry, and the WotLK Windfury totem, my Attack speed got as low as .42 on both weapons, and my DPS was an astonishing total of 1256.8!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c187/Trilik/WoWScrnShot_080108_213654.jpg

Phase 2 Test results:
Flametongue Viability:

In my tests I discovered with my gear and build, Flametongue weapon is MUCH more viable at insane speeds because my build's bonus to Spell Damage with talents, and it's Anti-Windfury nature with it's low-damage, high-speed weapons that would kill the proc damage of Windfury.

PS: I included Flurry as a buff because with a base crit of 18.56, the high speed of attack and the Darkmoon Card: Wrath, Flurry was almost always in effect and I decided to keep it as a buff.


Reading that does not say he's a private server player. He tested game mechanics that he was interested in, and shared to information so that others can learn of it.
In the thread, he goes on to say in response to Ozone and Wordaen that he has characters on WoW, which he has bought and pays a subscription for. Furthermore, he doesn't run a private server while playing retail--he set it up for testing purposes.

The responses that he got in the thread were over-reactions. The tone of Wordaen was especially uncalled for. Just saying "private server" makes everyone's ears perk up and twitch here, and I think some of you should really read and digest the post more before you set in stone your opinion of its writer.

There are reasons why we dislike private servers and their players. We must remember to dislike them specifically for those reasons, and not simply because they are private servers and users of private servers. If there is a private server user who doesn't satisfy one of those reasons to dislike them, then they are an exception and legit.
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#16 Aug 06 2008 at 1:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Karthal wrote:
I don't think they're fully functional.


That's what I think about people who play on private servers, too ;)
#17 Aug 06 2008 at 4:41 AM Rating: Good
Private servers tend to be coded by a community of people. They try to hide the activity by calling it an educational experience and it is not meant to be a server. The groups who do it basically emulate the real servers as best as they can with what they have. I saw some images off a private server about 2 weeks ago of lich king, the person said it was the official beta server. Looking at the image closely you could see that whoever made it couldn't get the transport system to Northerend correct so he/she simply added an Illidan model into the game and called it transportation manager.

I fully agree with the alla community in regards to the private servers. I think they are a complete waste of time and of course they are illegal no matter what disclaimers you try and attach to it.

To point out my references, I had a friend who got busted with a private server (can't name the game), and the people who played on it got in trouble as well. He constantly talked about the server and how easy everything was, and I always replied back to him "then what fun is it?"

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Private servers tend to be coded by a community of people. They try to hide the activity by calling it an educational experience and it is not meant to be a server.


Not sure what you're trying to say there... I used to have a friend who played official wow and ran a private server and I can safely say he's a nice chap like you and me.

I think the response to that thread is a bit overreactive too... It's just badass annoying that you can't test things at will. Heck, there's a new spec I want to try out, and I need to ***** over my main character to do so? If setting up your private server was as easy as clicking a button I'd use that (leave aside the fact that I can't PvP test it though). I used to have the PTR's for that, but for some obscure reason my game always crashes when I try to enter that.

Either way, while it's imo overreactive... who am I to judge, I supppose.
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Just wanted to point something out. If you've ever downloaded a song, a movie, or some piece of software, you have no position to get mad at someone for playing on a private server. Even less so when they play on normal WoW anyway. Now private server information is not valuable to this website, but I honestly don't understand the irritation that so often surfaces with this. If someone wants to be bored autoleveling on a buggy server, well that's their decision, it's one I wouldn't do, both for legal and boredom reasons, however while I may disagree with my friends who download movies, I typically don't hate them because they do it.

Edited, Aug 6th 2008 10:43am by Xsarus
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Ir-regardless wasn't the only moment my grammar and writing skills sensor went off, but as far as making your point, I'm mostly fine with it. I dunno what he was "testing"...I could argue that if I had a private server to fool around on, I might do things to check on some theorycrafting and such, but even then I can understand if people aren't too happy with it.
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Xsarus, this is really not the place to attempt to defend private servers.

Just like private servers are officially frowned upon here, so is illegal downloading of songs. The difference is that no one talks about downloading songs illegally, yet, people keep talking about private servers.

I'm sure if someone posted a thread about how he downloaded an album for free using Frostwire, the reply would be somewhat similar. Except there'd probably be a "Durr, welcome to the internet, nub" somewhere in there.

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You misunderstand, I'm not trying to defend private servers. I'm just always surprised at how personally people attack others who are on them, that's all.

For the record I thought the OP's response was completely appropriate.

Edited, Aug 6th 2008 11:32am by Xsarus
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And people thought I was just lazy saying regardless! Ha! Haha!

Regardless us already a negative; thus irregardless would be a double-negative. I have a boss that says "irregardless" all of the time, and it drives me nuts... lol
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Xsarus wrote:
You misunderstand, I'm not trying to defend private servers. I'm just always surprised at how personally people attack others who are on them, that's all...


Xsarsus brings up a good point so allow me to clarify. To us, private servers are a way to bypass the service that our community and admin staff pays for. Regardless of whether the player using one also pays for the game, this is just like any other cheat, hack, exploit or RMT scam we deal with every day here. We do not get into the legalities or particulars of whether it's copyright law etc here, that is not our job. Our job is to make sure that legitimate players have a fansite they can come to without having to deal with cheaters wherever possible.

We support any EULA for any game on our listing here, that's part of the deal with being a legit fansite. In Blizzards case, they have said that private servers are a no-no. Therefore, you post info about your private server, you will get warned, banned or muted from any of the admin staff here unless I catch you first. As a fan site, we have to be sensitive both to the needs of our community and to the rules of the game companies that allow us to share their information.

Discussing a private server is one thing, flaunting having one or "I did this or this on mine" is another. It's a fine line that the admins will examine each time it comes up.

However, if anyone has any questions, you are always free to PM me about it. I won't bite, promise :)
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This explains why one of the guys in my Army unit, PFC Server, was impaled with a Blizzard flag.
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#26 Aug 06 2008 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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Honestly, I have zero problems with private servers.

They are not based off of stolen server software; they are all reverse-engineered.

They are not an alternative to WoW. There is no private server that approachs the experience that blizzard's servers provide. I would be very shocked if the vast vast majority of private server players did not maintain active WOW subscriptions. Any private player that doesn't have an active subscription would not have one even if privates did not exist.

However, since they are reverse-engineered, they are bad for tests of game mechanics. Any test of mechanics conducted on a private could be worked out faster (and at least as accurately) via paper and pencil using known formulas.

Private servers are not at all the same as other hacks/exploits/RMT. Hacks and gold farmers directly negatively effect your gameplay. Private servers have absolutely zero effect on your gameplay.

(obligatory disclaimer: I do not use private servers, though I do know people who do.)
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