This could be prolly posted in WotLK post, but anyways.
We know that Highlord Bolvar will be moving to Northrend.
And officialy Lady Katrana Prestor's identity was revealed to Bolvar in the BRD / Windsor / Jail break quest lines.
Even more, with the Wow comics, we do know that Varian is on his way back to SW.
So does that mean, since Bolvar and Prestor are "out" of SW, the King will be back on his throne with the WotLK ?
I was just re-reading the comics and this just poped in my mind.
So go ahead, give your opinions ...
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probably not, as Blizzard will try and keep it to minimal changes/additions to Old World stuff
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Agreed. To take out Lady Prestor would mean that players pretty much couldn't do the Onyxia stuff anymore and some groups still enjoy running that stuff.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
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Agreed. To take out Lady Prestor would mean that players pretty much couldn't do the Onyxia stuff anymore and some groups still enjoy running that stuff.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
Well, they moved Kazzak. They could have "Onyxia's handmaiden" or something... I guess we'll see.
Or maybe Lady Katrana Prestor hijacked the Exodar and Chris Metzen had another seizure leading to an interesting and eyebrow-lifting change in the story.
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The Smallsword of Doom wrote:
Agreed. To take out Lady Prestor would mean that players pretty much couldn't do the Onyxia stuff anymore and some groups still enjoy running that stuff.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
Well, they moved Kazzak. They could have "Onyxia's handmaiden" or something... I guess we'll see.
And they're moving Naxx. I'm not sure if they're going to keep a placeholder in EPL (doubtful), so they don't seem to have a problem with limiting old world content. In any case, this would be an easy one to preserve anyway. Like RP said, just make a replacement in the form of an aid or maiden or something.
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So somebody else reads the comics? :P
My opinion? Well, as for me I have no interest in WoW lore, past, present or future, and none of the names you mention mean zip to me, heh. I've nothing against it, per se, but I very seldom bother to read quest blurb or take notice of which 'important' personage I am supposed to be dealing with - it's all just irrelevant waffle to me. To those who enjoy all that stuff, that's great and I wish you well, but I've played too many MMORPGs to pay attention to made-up backstories any more.
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Comics? Like...Dark Legacy Comics? I'm in #20!
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So somebody else reads the comics? :P
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Comics? Like...Dark Legacy Comics? I'm in #20!
http://www.darklegacycomics.com/20.html
Crap Az, I never noticed!
Anyway, I am all for killing off Ony, if it's such a big deal for you guys to do it then please - hold back the story for people who actually want things to change in the world.
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And they're moving Naxx. I'm not sure if they're going to keep a placeholder in EPL (doubtful), so they don't seem to have a problem with limiting old world content. In any case, this would be an easy one to preserve anyway. Like RP said, just make a replacement in the form of an aid or maiden or something.
As far as I know, the old Naxx will not be available for play anymore once the expansion launches... hence why, on my server anyway, people are rushing in there to experience it at least once.
And as far as the King goes, ever since they removed him from Alcaz, no one knows where he is. If they ever do reintroduce him, I doubt it will just be:
*POOF* "Heeey ya'll, how's it been hanging? Miss me?"
I'm sure it will be a big event worth seeing... at least, that's what I hope. n.n
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Agreed. To take out Lady Prestor would mean that players pretty much couldn't do the Onyxia stuff anymore and some groups still enjoy running that stuff.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
Not to mention the Defias Brotherhood lore in Deadmines, Stockades and some quests in Dustmallow Marsh. Some of Alliance quests in those areas are connected to Lady Prestor.
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I don't follow the lore too closely, but I can only imagine that if WoW were to follow in EQ's footsteps with multiple expansions, they could end up totally ******** the old world if they were to make changes with every expansion. So hopefully, they will just allow a few discrepancies to exist and preserve the old world content as is. My two cents.
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They've mentioned a couple of times that they have "Big Plans" for the King of Stormwind in the not-too-distant future. Of course, we all know how Blizzard handles their "Big Plans". Remember when they had "Big Plans" for the Ashzhara Crater Battleground? Or when they had "Big Plans" to make Grim Batol a major endgame (level 60 at the time) area?
Frankly, I'd like to see more dynamics. One of the big allures to a MMO is that the world changes over time. It's not just the characters that develop and grow in a persistent world, but the environment itself evolves along with a story (usually at a glacial pace). Make Onyxia accessable sure, but it might just be time to retire the big Prestor conspiracy or advance it somehow.
Sure, it'd be great to see the King return as part of a big event (maybe even player-controlled like the openeing of AQ) but that's not going to happen at the launch of Wrath. You don't want to distract everyone while they're either trying to start their Death Knights or push their chars to 80 with some massive event. It would be nice to have a grand questline that lasts over the course of 70-80 however. Blizzard had originally planned to have these large story-arcs (Defias Botherhood questline for example, running from level 1 to 30ish for humans) but decided for shorter arcs shortly before launch. This is also the reason that the Defias arc gets cut off abruptly right at the point where you find out the King has been captured.
With all of the content on Blizzard's plate, they leave quite a few loose ends. But hey, just because something falls geographically in the Old World, it doesn't mean that it can't be NEW content. Caverns of Time? Sure the main story might center around Arthas.. but Blizzard is addressing the story of Dwarf origin as well, yes? And going a little deeper into the Dragon Flights?
Frankly, I'd like to see more dynamics. One of the big allures to a MMO is that the world changes over time. It's not just the characters that develop and grow in a persistent world, but the environment itself evolves along with a story (usually at a glacial pace). Make Onyxia accessable sure, but it might just be time to retire the big Prestor conspiracy or advance it somehow.
Sure, it'd be great to see the King return as part of a big event (maybe even player-controlled like the openeing of AQ) but that's not going to happen at the launch of Wrath. You don't want to distract everyone while they're either trying to start their Death Knights or push their chars to 80 with some massive event. It would be nice to have a grand questline that lasts over the course of 70-80 however. Blizzard had originally planned to have these large story-arcs (Defias Botherhood questline for example, running from level 1 to 30ish for humans) but decided for shorter arcs shortly before launch. This is also the reason that the Defias arc gets cut off abruptly right at the point where you find out the King has been captured.
With all of the content on Blizzard's plate, they leave quite a few loose ends. But hey, just because something falls geographically in the Old World, it doesn't mean that it can't be NEW content. Caverns of Time? Sure the main story might center around Arthas.. but Blizzard is addressing the story of Dwarf origin as well, yes? And going a little deeper into the Dragon Flights?
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With the comic #8, as can be seen on Wow site for a preview, you see "Varian" arriving to SW with a big entrance and his son, Bolvar and Katrana, and the people, greeting him AND he's SO friendly with Katrana.
Mean while, at Menethil Harbor, Lo'gosh (the real Varian) arrives with Brol and Valeera and theres a dwarf sent by King Magni to make contact with some new arrivals.
Guess like Lady Onyxia made herself a clone / puppet / double, call it what you want, with some one from the Defias.
Mean while, at Menethil Harbor, Lo'gosh (the real Varian) arrives with Brol and Valeera and theres a dwarf sent by King Magni to make contact with some new arrivals.
Guess like Lady Onyxia made herself a clone / puppet / double, call it what you want, with some one from the Defias.
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And as far as the King goes, ever since they removed him from Alcaz, no one knows where he is. If they ever do reintroduce him, I doubt it will just be:
*POOF* "Heeey ya'll, how's it been hanging? Miss me?"
And as far as the King goes, ever since they removed him from Alcaz, no one knows where he is. If they ever do reintroduce him, I doubt it will just be:
*POOF* "Heeey ya'll, how's it been hanging? Miss me?"
It could be that he's been staring in the Human Male's 'Brotherhood of the Braclet' movie, and they're ready to shoot the third chapter "Hey, the king's back!"
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I don't see why they couldn't keep old content+change things by putting in a quest or something that has a disclaimer of sorts: "This is not part of the lore, this is solely for the purpose of allowing players to experience old content if they so choose."
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Honestly, I'm not even sure the event occuring in the comic book are considered 'canon' by Blizzard has is.
The whole comic is pretty bad sadly :(, it's only a 12 issue limited serie and they've easily spent the first half just setting up the story, which is now FINALLY starting. I'm hoping the 2nd half is much better.
It's sad, because the writer used to do a good job on the Might Thor a few years back.
Edited, Jun 18th 2008 6:29pm by Tyrandor
The whole comic is pretty bad sadly :(, it's only a 12 issue limited serie and they've easily spent the first half just setting up the story, which is now FINALLY starting. I'm hoping the 2nd half is much better.
It's sad, because the writer used to do a good job on the Might Thor a few years back.
Edited, Jun 18th 2008 6:29pm by Tyrandor
It's a constant changing world. If anything then keeping old world the same is a serious detriment to the game lore-wise. Gameplay it doesn't make a lot of sense either. In with the new and out with the old. What's the point of keeping old world content for nostalgia sake? If they want to keep it then that's what Blizzard has CoT for.
I say change it. If anything world changes make things more interesting. Nostalgia's a pipe dream.
I say change it. If anything world changes make things more interesting. Nostalgia's a pipe dream.
Well, I think some of the comic and stuff would be considered Canon. I mean, when you go to Magister's Terrace, you can actually see Aveena floating in the Sunwell when you activate the orb. Sounds plausible that they would stick to the comic events.
Some of the comics and most of the novel are indeed canon.
That's not to say however, that the current comic book line are canon.
In the recent issues especially, some rather heavy plot development have occured (Like Medivh's mother still being alive?) that really change the WoW Lore.
That's not to say however, that the current comic book line are canon.
In the recent issues especially, some rather heavy plot development have occured (Like Medivh's mother still being alive?) that really change the WoW Lore.
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In the recent issues especially, some rather heavy plot development have occured (Like Medivh's mother still being alive?) that really change the WoW Lore.
Mediev's mother is alive in one of the WoW books, The circle of Hatred. At the end of the end of it ***Spoiler*** she ends up befriending Jaina and after helping kill a demon trying to bring back the human orc conflict, and ends up working for Jaina at Theramore. The book also explains how she's alive and how no one knew in a good and believable way (for a book about magic and demons anyway ;) )
Edited, Jun 19th 2008 7:56am by Micros
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Micros wrote:
Warchief Tyrandor wrote:
In the recent issues especially, some rather heavy plot development have occured (Like Medivh's mother still being alive?) that really change the WoW Lore.
Mediev's mother is alive in one of the WoW books, The circle of Hatred. At the end of the end of it ***Spoiler*** she ends up befriending Jaina and after helping kill a demon trying to bring back the human orc conflict, and ends up working for Jaina at Theramore. The book also explains how she's alive and how no one knew in a good and believable way (for a book about magic and demons anyway ;) )
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So, I thought Pained was Medivh's mother in disguise.
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Micros wrote:
Warchief Tyrandor wrote:
In the recent issues especially, some rather heavy plot development have occured (Like Medivh's mother still being alive?) that really change the WoW Lore.
Mediev's mother is alive in one of the WoW books, The circle of Hatred. At the end of the end of it ***Spoiler*** she ends up befriending Jaina and after helping kill a demon trying to bring back the human orc conflict, and ends up working for Jaina at Theramore. The book also explains how she's alive and how no one knew in a good and believable way (for a book about magic and demons anyway ;) )
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So, I thought Pained was Medivh's mother in disguise.
There are those who suspect that Tabetha is actually Aegwynn.
The Smallsword of Doom wrote:
Agreed. To take out Lady Prestor would mean that players pretty much couldn't do the Onyxia stuff anymore and some groups still enjoy running that stuff.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
They won't necessarily make changes in the game that are actually part of current lore in books and comics, etc.
Actually, some interviews I read made it sound as if they're going to GET RID of some of the older instances. The Onyxia raid may be gone forever with WotLK. There has been talk about Arugal being brought back by Arthas as an undead fighting for the Scourge.... that would mean that SFK would have to change, too, if not go away for good.
At the Wrath of the Lich King Demo Panel during Blizzcon, this was said:
"1:55pm: Burning Crusade made people ignore existing content-- with new expansion will Legacy content be supported more? We expect the old content to be used for leveling up, but as far as a lot of the old raid content, "we don't intend to keep it around." It had it's time, it's fun, and now we're moving on to new stuff."
I just hope that if they actually pull out content, they REPLACE it with new content around the same level. Likely, that won't happen, as they seem to be only focusing on endgame... I just hope that they realize that, if they advance the story and close off old content without replacing it, they'll eventually have no lore-based dungeons or raids at lower levels, and the game will be boring until you reach endgame.
That would eventually kill a game.
Edited, Jun 19th 2008 2:51am by TheRogueX
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