Do you gank?Follow

I always wondered the same. Alliance and Horde are not technically at war. They are hostile to some extent and fight proxy battles through different clans, think the BG faction, but it's not full out war. We are fighting for the same goals, trying to defeat the same enemies and defending the same ideals. In the grand scheme of things, we are allies more than enemies. We share too many common threats, we can't afford being at war with each other... But yea I guess some people just don't care about the story and think that red=dead is more fun.



Not sure they all need to see a shrink. I do think that you can tell a lot about someone who will gank and corpse camp someone 30 lvl lower and having fun doing it. Unless the internet is a magic empathy filter, taking pleasure at the expense of someone else shows a total lack of it and unless they are really young and immature, in which case I can understand and hope they'll grow up someday, a lack of basic moral values.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not talking about just killing someone on your way, the red=dead mentality or even raiding a town and killing everyone. I'm talking about a level 70 who will go out if his way to gank a level 29 and then camp this person until they log out and feel good about the fact they just ruined someone's night. These people have serious issues.

Right now, he is walking a fine line between heated debating, which I don't mind at all, and attempting to troll an admin, which I will not tolerate. I don't care if people debate here, I think that's healthy. But when you start insulting one of my admins' intelligence, fitness for the job etc because of a difference of opinion, that is going too far, so chill a little please. Let's keep the debate on the topic at hand so nobody gets bent outta shape, it's really not worth it for a game now is it? You both obviously have different opinions and that is perfectly fine, that's what the forum is for is to share those ideas with each other. You don't have to agree with him but there is absolutely no call to jump someone's intelligence, learning ability etc because of it, regardless of whether he is one of my CMs or not. I wouldn't expect anyone to have to put up with that, especially here where we have such a close community.

Personally, I tried a PvP server and it drove me nuts. The idea of "I might get nailed at anytime while doing this or that and then camped for an hour by someone 20+ levels higher" was not my thing. Now, some people like that style of gameplay and that's ok, more power to them. If that means I, or anyone like me, is a "carebear" for not wanting to play that way then so be it. I won't lose any sleep over the name. By the same token, the PvPer has every right to enjoy the game the way they want within the specifics created by Blizzard. On a PvP server, that means basically anything goes. If you roll on one, whether you agree with ganking or not, that is the attitude you have to keep in mind, that it will probably happen, and happen alot. If that will stress you, you might want to think about a different server.

Regardless of my own belief on jumping someone lower level, I do not see this as any way relative to going to a school and opening up on a 3rd grader or whatever that analogy was, it's simply a style of personal combat that was developed by Blizzard and implemented to allow people who want to play that way to do so. I don't gank and I don't grief for personal reasons, but I play on a PvE so unless someone intentionally flags, it's a non issue.

Either way, keep on topic please.

Well, I'm definitely not interested in PvP, even so-called "honorable" PvP, because I'm just not a competitive person. Not my thing. So, I play on a PvE server. But, I'm also not a very social person, and I'd personally wish that there were other options for getting decent loot *at level* than having to do dungeons with other players. This will likely never happen, since it's a MMORPG. Which means - other people, and the idea that other people are necessary for making the game. I could choose to play a different game, one that isn't online and doesn't "require" all this grouping (and yes, I know you can level pretty far and fast without grouping or doing dungeons, but I still wish I could get things like the Robe of Arugal for lower level healer characters without doing them), but I like the content of this game. I like the other aspects of it enough to deal with the parts I don't like. But I'm still going to wish for more options for us soloists and occasionally complain about the parts I don't like.

Which brings me to an idea I had reading this thread. It seems to me that there is likely a group of people who like constant PvP (i.e. can happen in any contested area, not just battlegrounds, etc.) that is normally considered "honorable", but dislike anything PvP that they personally find "dishonorable". There is no real option for that. Even if you're flagged on PvE servers, there's no rule that you can only be engaged in "honorable" PvP. It seems to be that the ideal situation would be to have 2 kinds of PvP environments/flags, so that those who like the constant danger and excitement of a no-holds-barred type of PvP wouldn't have to deal with complainers who only want the "honorable" kind. Meanwhile, the people who only like "honorable" PvP could get what they want out of PvP, without feeling "victimized by bullies".

At this point, however, there is no such solution, so that group is left two choices:

1. roll on a PvP server (or be constantly flagged on a PvE server) and, as I do with a MMORPG, deal with the stuff they don't like, or

2. give up on all PvP aside from battlegrounds, etc., and deal with not having the constant ability to randomly end up in an evenly matched fight.

While I don't think anyone should let themselves get upset to the point of "not dealing" with it (as is certainly clear for some of the people who've replied), I can see where they might complain about the parts they don't like. And there *is* no real "good" choice for them.

But by all means, don't consider yourself a moral authority if you're going to insult people on the basis of what type of play they enjoy.

I do gank in some sense of the word, while I play on a PvE server and thus only PvP when I want to, I still enjoy testing my mages skills against other classes and players. I love going down to Stranglethorns Arena and getting that chest, I don't care if there are 3 70's there or just one 20 finding things out, if they step into that PvP zone I will use all my skills that I can to ensure that I win. But when I lose I don't feel cut, or hurt or even annoyed, even if I get corpse camped, because I choose to raise that flag and getting whats coming to me is all part of that.

If I see another toon wondering around flagged and I think I can nail him to the wall I'll quite happily start out from no flag and attack before he is ready, or even knows it's about to happen. Thems the breaks, if you don't want to get attacked by people who aren't flagged like you thats fine, get yourself back to a safe zone and don't come out till your flags down. If I am flagged everyone I see flagged or no flag is considered to be a hostile enemy that could attack at any moment, and I love that sometimes.

If you don't like being "ganked" or just picked on by the big bad 70, get a 70 yourself, get your guildies, get your friends, or try and see how good you really are at using the skills your class has for the situation. Blink out of there, use a concussion shot, use a pot, do what it takes or quit.

/bow I thank you for listening to this small rant, have a good night.