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#77 Jun 13 2008 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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We play on our servers, we gank each others, we have fun and take it like good sports when we get kicked around. We don't hurt anybody but the people that shouldn't be on the server in the first place. People like you.

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#78 Jun 13 2008 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Wait.

Wait wait wait.

AureliusSir, having been roundly thrashed in his last moronic post (...and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that) and returning from his butthurt sabbatical is making another set of stupid, stupid posts?

Woah.

Who would have guessed?

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I started skimming this thread but honestly, it got boring after about post 12. It's the same way every thread Aurellus starts (or, for that matter, comments in) goes;

Phase 1) Aurellus says something stupid.
Phase 2) People mock Aurellus for saying something stupid.
Phase 3) Aurellus rapidly loses all coherency and begins to try to score points off ad hominems; "You have no life", "God, you're so stupid you can't even understand this, go reread it", "Your mother is a poo-poo face and so are you", whatever.
Phase 4) Other people continue the mockery, Aurellus continues to respond until...
Phase 5) Aurellus stops posting on the forums for a month or two, withdrawing in cringing defeat, and the cycle repeats itself.


It was true then and it's true now!


I wish that quote wasn't too big to sig.
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#79 Jun 13 2008 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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So, AureliusSir is just a ******?

Nothing new to see here. Move along.
#80Aurelius, Posted: Jun 13 2008 at 2:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Seems to me like they say right there that the actions in the list that follows are dishonorable, but since you're still stuck on the notion that you can take explicit text and bend it to say what you want to say, I'm sure you'll figure out a way to snake out of that one, too.
#81 Jun 13 2008 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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AureliusSir wrote:
...just because someone else doesn't say you can't do something doesn't mean you should...you don't need to look at someone else's rule book to make up your own mind about whether what you're doing fits with decent conduct or not. Until then, carry on as you were. Educating yourself isn't something you seem interested in doing.


Punching someone in the face is wrong...but not in the context of a boxing match.

All PVP is consentual. We gave consent by rolling on a PVP server/being flagged.

#82 Jun 13 2008 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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emmitsvenson,

I think it's time you knew.

Every time I see your name I read it as "emits venison".







so, do you?
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#83 Jun 13 2008 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're obviously not capable of grasping a fundamental concept: just because someone else doesn't say you can't do something doesn't mean you should. A legitimate course of action...for what? sh*ts and giggles? Dealing with the group of 3 27s harassing the lone 24? Context, cowboy. Context.


The context is about a certain actions in a videogame, an action to which the game developers has given the thumbs up when conducted on the proper server.

I understand the context.

Do you?

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Someday..maybe...you'll gain a facet of maturity that says you don't need to look at someone else's rule book to make up your own mind about whether what you're doing fits with decent conduct or not. Until then, carry on as you were. Educating yourself isn't something you seem interested in doing.


Maturity?

Please. You've insulted me. You've used swear words. You've twisted the facts. You're acting in every way like a angered 3rd grader.

And you're blowing out a very simple aspect of a game between two consensual players into some kind of morality issue, all in an attempt to make your extremist, almost zealot-like point of view, sound reasonable.

Were this a monitored debate, you'd have been kicked out a long time ago.

Maturity indeed.

As for your actual point here - I do not consider ganking fine because Blizzard tell me it is (even if they do), but it does make me smile that they agree with me on this issue.

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Seems to me like they say right there that the actions in the list that follows are dishonorable, but since you're still stuck on the notion that you can take explicit text and bend it to say what you want to say, I'm sure you'll figure out a way to snake out of that one, too.


When you modify a quote to make it say what you want to say, you might want to be a bit more clever then simply ignoring the word right in front of it.

Considered. If they had wanted to say they thought it was dishonorable, they would have flat out said it... this implies they say it's considered by some, but not by them. Do note the "" on dishonorable, which put in further question that action is actually even seen as dishonorable in itself. Followed right away by saying that they are legimitmage pvp tactic.

It's actually pretty clear.


Edited, Jun 13th 2008 7:39pm by Tyrandor
#84Aurelius, Posted: Jun 13 2008 at 6:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Unfortunately, you've gone and shot yourself in the foot, because I gave you an explicit quote...(you did look up explicit, didn't you)...and you've told me that I've changed it to suit my argument. I did not. You, however, have taken the quote and twisted it to suit yours, and the proof to anyone concerned is in the link you provided.
#85 Jun 13 2008 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Blah blah blah crap about QQ I'm bad at this game, I can't take a PvP server, whine whine whine.

Please, grow the **** up, realize you rolled on a PvP server, and do everyone a favor and roll on a PvE server you ******* carebear.
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#86 Jun 13 2008 at 7:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unfortunately, you've gone and shot yourself in the foot, because I gave you an explicit quote...(you did look up explicit, didn't you)...and you've told me that I've changed it to suit my argument. I did not. You, however, have taken the quote and twisted it to suit yours, and the proof to anyone concerned is in the link you provided.


Smiley: oyvey

You didn't change, you omitted. Congratulation!

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I'm done.


Really? Smiley: dubious
#87 Jun 13 2008 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
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Warchief Tyrandor wrote:


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Unfortunately, you've gone and shot yourself in the foot, because I gave you an explicit quote...(you did look up explicit, didn't you)...and you've told me that I've changed it to suit my argument. I did not. You, however, have taken the quote and twisted it to suit yours, and the proof to anyone concerned is in the link you provided.


Smiley: oyvey

You didn't change, you omitted. Congratulation!

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I'm done.


Really? Smiley: dubious



Am I the only one who wishes they could occasionally rate up admins?
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I must admit, I'm much nicer to people IRL. It's not that the internet makes me bold, it's just that in real life I can only kill people once, so there's no point in camping them afterwards.
#88 Jun 13 2008 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
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I'm done.


Really? Smiley: dubious

No, he's not done. He'll be back in a month or two with another whine about how he sucks at WoW and how we should all come down to his level because he hates feeling inferior.
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#89 Jun 13 2008 at 7:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I never found it fair play to gank. I usually give the other person a chance to get there selves situated. I don't believe ganking shows skill. Wow you got from behind I had half health you must feel great about your self. I want a fair fight. I know its not always possible in MMO but not ganking and winning shows you have more skill. The best is when someone ganks you and you still come out on top thats my fav . . . makes them go WTF just happened he/she had like no health... any way I'm done rambling. Later.

Edited, Jun 13th 2008 11:26pm by IronReckoning
#90 Jun 13 2008 at 10:33 PM Rating: Good
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I never found it fair play to gank. I usually give the other person a chance to get there selves situated. I don't believe ganking shows skill. Wow you got from behind I had half health you must feel great about your self. I want a fair fight. I know its not always possible in MMO but not ganking and winning shows you have more skill. The best is when someone ganks you and you still come out on top thats my fav . . . makes them go WTF just happened he/she had like no health... any way I'm done rambling. Later.

I don't give a **** about skill; I play arena to show skill.

When I go out to gank or go into BGs, I play to destroy some poor sap that's undergeared.
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#91Aurelius, Posted: Jun 14 2008 at 1:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Now I am...if you want to take it up further, contact your nearest remedial reading teacher.
#92 Jun 14 2008 at 1:28 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not behaving like a hurt kid...

LOL RLY? Smiley: tinfoilhat

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I think Alla should be more selective in his hiring policies. You're not bright enough for the job.


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Grab yourself a clue and make good use of it.


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Keep digging, cowboy.


AureliusSir wrote:
Wrap your head around a tidbit of logic: ganking is stupid. People who defend ganking are stupid.


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Being that you're an admin, what I would ask you to do is demonstrate that you are able to not only look at a group of letters and pronounce the associated word, but string those words together and comprehend their meaning.


I'd quote more, but I'm tired of reading this sh*t.

Edited, Jun 14th 2008 2:28am by Theophany
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#93 Jun 14 2008 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
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The amusing thing is that Aurelius' English isn't actually very good at all, and he's stupid as hell on that. Irony strikes again!
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#94 Jun 14 2008 at 3:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't gank.
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#95 Jun 14 2008 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I say you are. You say you're not. It's just a shame you dropped out of school at recess and can't form an argument around your position that doesn't perpetually end up referencing big daddy Blizzard as justifying your idiocy.


I've actually explained why it's ok without mentioning Blizzard at all, but I suppose you decided to skip that. It doesn't fit with your battle horse after all.

Do you consider killing someone in a Battlefield game dishonorable? It's totally alien to me that you could consider a player killing another on a server that was designed for that very purpose to be 'a **** move' or whatever else you want to call it. Both participants are willing.

I get that you don't like it. You're obviously butthurt about it. But to project all that venom on people who have fun with it is extremely petty. As I've mentionned before, why so much insecurity?

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My bold on the sentence you're claiming I omitted from. If you're going to argue a point, argue an accurate point. Since you're still reading at a 2nd grade level, the above statement does not say that those acts are no longer considered dishonorable just because it's a PvP realm...


I love how you're still conveniently ignoring the quotation marks around the word dishonorable, which used in this way is meant to convey irony. Yet you still go on about my lack of reading comprehension.

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Now I am...if you want to take it up further, contact your nearest remedial reading teacher.


So you're a liar. I suppose that's another facet of your maturity, right?

#96 Jun 14 2008 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, i love forum-ganking. Sometimes, to make me feel like a big man, i'll even pop a link cooldown, or a famous quote pot.



Er, anyway...i started playing recently, and ganked...not lowbies, just people who clearly couldn't defend themselves, a few times. Attacking a hunter from 2 yards while two ogres were on him, or lining up repentence > Arcane torrent > hammer of justice on an unsuspecting mage.

I found it made me feel pretty ashamed of myself. Left a sour taste. Ganking is picking a fight you couldn't possibly lose, and generally making someone feel bad. So now i'll /hug low level allys, or /cheer same-level ones, and leave them alone. I'll even *cautiously* help one in trouble (a glowing, opposite faction paladin galloping towards the fight faster than anything can be....mis-interpreted) by killing mobs. If an ally helps me, or at least acts in a non-hostile manner, i'll encourage hordies in the area to leave them alone.

I know i rolled on a pvp server though, so i don't really expect the same kind of special treatment. Inevitably, that mage i helped will turn around and pyro me from max range, that rogue will probably end up materialising and stunlocking me to oblivion. But if someone DOES betray my help like that.... well, all i can say is, my entire guild are the kind of guys who cross continents, and come back from alien planets to exact revenge.


tl;dr: I don't like ganking, it makes me a sad panda.
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#97 Jun 15 2008 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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When I play on a PvP server, I'm all for ganking. Now, I'm usually nice and won't attack someone that's more than a few levels lower than me...there's no challenge. I usually aim for equal levels or a few levels higher (I played a rogue, so this was generally a lot easier than with, say, a clothie). I also take a 70 ganking me in stride. I'll usually /salute them as they approach me in the hopes that they'll spare me, but it's part of the game and I understand. A /salute usually gets them to at least let me finish off the mob I'm killing. (Corpse camping, on the other hand, is considered griefing, and often warrants a report if it continues).

I suppose it's a little easier for a rogue, but I enjoy avoiding high level folks. I once spent 10 minutes running circles around a giant tree in STV avoiding a high level paladin until he got tired and left me alone.

I think my favorite moment was leveling in STV on my 32 Orc Rogue. I had earlier seen a 40-something druid, /saluted him, and he saluted back and let me be. I was then killing a panther when I saw another NE druid approach. I thought it was him at first and so did nothing, only to realize a second later that this druid was a few levels lower (than the other druid, still a few levels higher than me). He shifts to cat and comes up behind me and starts beating me down. At this point, I get an idea...a naughty idea. A terribly awful and naughty idea. I quickly hobble over and grab 2 more panthers that were nearby and then vanish. Catboy can't see me anymore, but the panthers can see him. They're low enough level that he is able to dispatch two of them with ease. As he gets the last one to about 1/2 health, I walk behind him, pop a potion, and start wailing on him. He finishes off the panther, shifts out of cat, rejuvs, tries to regrowth, gets kicked, turns toward me, gets gouged, and then dispatched. It sounds simple, but it actually took all of my concentration and a lot of lucky quick thinking to pull it off. It was epic. My adrenaline was pumping the whole time, and I had a blast. I ran into him again later while he was fighting a mob, did a /salute, got a /rude in reply. I left him alone anyway. Then a 70 troll rode by, dismounted, shot him, and mounted back up. Maybe it was karma.

I've lately been on an RP server and it just feels wrong. I moved there to play with a friend, giving up both PvP *and* horde, and I'm quite tempted to go roll a new Orc Rogue on a pvp server again.
#98 Jun 15 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Why do we bag Aurelius all the time?

Did he like...kick Jesus in the ******* this one time, before I turned up? I can understand why we'd be jumping at every attempt to degrade and publicly ridicule virtually every opinion he puts forward solely on the basis of it being his opinion if he'd done something like that. Did he do something like that? I don't know, did he steal a baby, shove a CD case in its mouth and pour motor oil down its throat? That would probably justify the kind of random abuse he seems to get around here every time he types a word.

Anyway. There's this mage on Thaurissan, hordeside, whose name I won't repeat but is memorable enough that I'm definitely not mistaken. I leveled nearly all my alliance toons on Thaurissan, which is a PvP server with a then-ratio of maybe 4:1 horde to alliance. All this mage did was raid Southshore. All day. Every day. Logged in, dailies, maybe a bit of farming, and then raided SS all afternoon. I know this because I saw him several times when I was running through Hillsbrad on my paladin. I saw him again when I was doing it on my rogue. I saw him while I was leveling my warlock. I saw him two out of three times I decided to run Scarlet Monastery while at that level range. My paladin is now level 70, the rogue is level 68, the warlock is still level 40, and I have it from a friend of mine who stayed behind after the free transfers that this mage is still raiding Southshore. Every day.

I can't imagine how indescribably bored someone must be to even bother. If you're that bored, go like...play with yourself or something, that's fun and productive. I just can't see the point. I've done it once or twice and all it did was make me feel like I'd tripped someone over while they were carrying a comically large wedding cake but slapped a gag on them so they couldn't shout back at me.
#99 Jun 15 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Red=Dead or I'd roll PVE.

There are peeps on my server who gank pretty much full time. Most of the time I've got two hours or less to play, so burning that time on world PVP is not what I'm interested in.

Only griping I hear lately is directed at a few players who run around with an opposite faction priest. The priest will MC someone and the other two will kill them or make them take durability. My guess is they used the tactic to get back at someone they didn't like once and now they do it because it's fun.

Don't know if it's this way on every PVP server, but on mine it's pretty much an ongoing contest to see who can make who QQ the loudest. Anyone who cries about it gets made fun of by both sides.

Not what I do with my time but I'm not judging anyone else that does. After all, you can transfer from PVP-->PVE server if you're getting bent about it.
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Why is it people have this idea that on PvP servers the story of the game has no meaning and everyone is just supposed to kill everyone else on sight? Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

In my opinion, people who continuously gank lowbies for no apparent reason need to see a therapist about a) anger management issues, b) marriage counseling or c) low self-esteem. Maybe even a mix.

But that's just my opinion.

A correction to the previous post, though. I have been known to gank, but only to prevent an ally from being ganked, or as retaliation for ganking one of my alts. However, if a lowbie ally attacks a high level enemy just because I'm there, I won't interfere. Don't start a fight you can't win.
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#101 Jun 15 2008 at 3:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's like everything - it's better in moderation.

I gank when I see someone lower level and I just happen to be there. I gank when I'm bored and I'm farming on the Isle and I think a bit of pvp will spice things up (this happens a lot. dailies are boring, what can I say). I'll sometimes get a few guildies and go hit Grom'gol or what not and decimate it and get in fight with the Horde when they show up.

But spending a few hours running around looking for people to gank? It gets boring pretty quick, especially if the cavalry doesn't show up. Then it just become pointless on top of boring.

So no, I don't 'get' people who do it non-stop. But I don't judge them either. Some people don't understand why I log on every other night to fight the sames bosses over and over again either. They're on the proper place to do it, so I don't see any harm in it.

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