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#1 Feb 26 2008 at 7:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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My wife and I would like to try World of Warcraft together, so we are ready to get set up but I have some questions before we do anything...

1) We pretty much just want to run around the world and do quests together without too much interaction with others (at least for now). Is Normal or RP the best for that?

2) I read that new characters start in a particular 'region'. If I choose Human and she chooses Night Elf, won't we be in completely different places when we start? How do we find each other to quest together?

3) On a technical note, both our computers are behind a router. I read that to play you must use port forwarding, but that can only go to one internal IP. However, I know that others successfully play with multiple PCs behind the same external IP address, so is port forwarding NOT really needed after all? I am wondering if that is really only for the patcher utility?

4) Logically I would think we should pick a Realm with Low population, but I read elsewhere that maybe that's not the best thing if you want to join Guilds etc. Is medium better or does it really matter?
#2 Feb 26 2008 at 7:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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1) not much difference (unless you like to roleplay)

2) yes each race starts in different areas (with the exception of dwarf/gnome and orc/troll). It's quite a hike to get a Night Elf from Teldrassil to Northshire, unless you can find a friendly mage to port her to Stormwind

3) Not sure on this one, as I only have 1 computer trying to play wow on my router.

4)If you 2 are just going to be questing with each other, then doesn't really matter, although low pop may decrease the chance of having other people doing the same quests as you.
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#3 Feb 26 2008 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
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2. Play horde, something about a ****** blood elf that just doesn't get old =P (Seriously though, if you would like just ask here or in game, and hopefully someone will give you directions, but you'll likely level up to level 2 by the time you get there from discovering new zones, remember your map "M" key)

3. 1 of my roommates plays wow as well and we have had no problems. Also, my ex used to come over and play with me (her on her laptop, me on my PC) and no problems there. Any problems you may encounter would be related to your specific set up, and there is likely a work around the tech support should be able to assist with.

4. I play on a low population server, haven't had much trouble really. People whine that its such a crappy server, they have to wait a few minutes for a group zomg! As far as guilds go, remember you guys can always make your own guild and add members as you see fit =P
#4 Feb 26 2008 at 7:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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biosmonkey wrote:

1) We pretty much just want to run around the world and do quests together without too much interaction with others (at least for now). Is Normal or RP the best for that?


I'd guess normal, but I don't have RP experience so that's just me pretending to know stuff.

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2) I read that new characters start in a particular 'region'. If I choose Human and she chooses Night Elf, won't we be in completely different places when we start? How do we find each other to quest together?


Yes. They're on completely different continents and while the walk is doable it's a total PITA. Until you get the lay of the land down, I'd suggest starting with the same race. If that's not workable, dwarves and gnomes start in the same area, and can get to the human area without too much difficulty. Draenai and night elves also have a relatively easy journey back and forth. Can't speak for the Horde side as I don't know it well enough and I only pretend to know stuff once per post.

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3) On a technical note, both our computers are behind a router. I read that to play you must use port forwarding, but that can only go to one internal IP. However, I know that others successfully play with multiple PCs behind the same external IP address, so is port forwarding NOT really needed after all? I am wondering if that is really only for the patcher utility?


'k, no idea what you're talking about, so all I can tell you here is that we play behind a router no problem, two to four of us, same router.

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4) Logically I would think we should pick a Realm with Low population, but I read elsewhere that maybe that's not the best thing if you want to join Guilds etc. Is medium better or does it really matter?


Well, as you specifically state that you don't want to talk to the riff-raff, I'd say low pop is the way to go. ;)

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Not only can trying to trek across the world be a pain early on to meet up with someone, but it can cause lots of problems after you do it too. You have to run back to your race's home-area for class specific quests that give you vital abilities.

You shouldn't need to set up any port forwarding on your Router. You should have no problems with this unless you have it set to block all ports at all times except for the ones that you expressly specify. If this is the case, I'm very sorry because you must not experience much on the net with those settings :D

If you want to learn the game and level up then low pop servers are great. They're ESPECIALLY great if you play during the day time on weekdays when population levels are at their lowest. It's basically a free world to do whatever you want it. Don't expect to have an easy time working yourself into the end-game with raids though, but that really shouldn't be a concern yet.
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#6 Feb 26 2008 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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biosmonkey wrote:
1) We pretty much just want to run around the world and do quests together without too much interaction with others (at least for now). Is Normal or RP the best for that?

Normal should be fine.

biosmonkey wrote:
2) I read that new characters start in a particular 'region'. If I choose Human and she chooses Night Elf, won't we be in completely different places when we start? How do we find each other to quest together?

Until you are more experienced, try picking the same race. Yes, you would be on completely different continents.

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3) On a technical note, both our computers are behind a router. I read that to play you must use port forwarding, but that can only go to one internal IP. However, I know that others successfully play with multiple PCs behind the same external IP address, so is port forwarding NOT really needed after all? I am wondering if that is really only for the patcher utility?

You do not need port forwarding for normal play with multiple pc behind a router.

If you had problems and found the Blizzard downloader taking too long for all the patches, you could put a pc in the router's dmz and get it up to date (provided your windows firewall is enabled). Then turn the dmz back off.

After you have one pc up and running, I'd make a copy of the World of Warcraft program folder under one called Backup. Then share the backup folder on the network. You can copy the entire contents to the other pc and just make a shortcut to launcher.exe . Another option would be to copy to an external USB drive to make the transfer.

If you are running Vista, you should run wow as administrator. Right click on the desktop icon, select properties, advanced, and put a check in the box "Run as administrator". It's probably a good idea to run the setup as administrator as well (right click on the setup program and select run as administrator).

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4) Logically I would think we should pick a Realm with Low population, but I read elsewhere that maybe that's not the best thing if you want to join Guilds etc. Is medium better or does it really matter?

Don't be afraid of a few people. It is an mmorpg after all. One thing to consider is that more people may mean a more robust economy at the auction house. I wouldn't jump into a server that is full, but I wouldn't necessarily try to avoid everybody. It's up to you.
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#7 Feb 26 2008 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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I'm with the above posters in suggesting you start either as the same race or one of the two combos that start in the same area. Odds are quite good that there will be a race or combo that covers both the classes you want to start as, so you can both be whatever class appeals to you most. Whether that's horde or alliance is just personal preference.

I can't, offhand, think of any reason to start on a low population server as oppossed to a medium. Just the opposite, really, since a medium server will have more people to widen the variety of things to buy/sell on the AH, as well as a greater pool of resources when and if you eventually want to do instances or join a guild someday.

RP servers like to say they are more "mature" than non-RP servers, but since Bliz doesn't actually enforce the naming policy unless the name is really bad or offensive, nor is anyone forced to RP on an RP server (and many do not, nor respect your right to do so either even if the server is an RP server) there isn't really much difference. Since you say you prefer to play mostly with your wife, it won't matter if you pick an RP server or not, honestly. My best friend and I play Kul Tiras (a non-RP server) because we have friends there, but when we play together, we roleplay with each other, and since it's all in party chat, doesn't matter if anyone else does or not.
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#8 Feb 26 2008 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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well I can offer no advice but want to welcome you to Allah and to Wow. Make sure you enjoy the game.


Oh if you do start out as deferent race like NE and human. see if a friendly mage port you to shattrath city and set hearthstone there. You can get to any main city from there making going back and forth a lot easier.

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#9 Feb 26 2008 at 9:31 PM Rating: Good
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well I can offer no advice but want to welcome you to Allah and to Wow. Make sure you enjoy the game.


Oh if you do start out as deferent race like NE and human. see if a friendly mage port you to strat and set hearthstone there. You can get to any main city from there making going back and forth a lot easier.


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#10 Feb 26 2008 at 10:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Depending on how you and your wife want to play together, you may want to pick two characters of the same race, or if you two aren't happy with that you can choose two characters of races that either share the same area (dwarf and gnome, troll and orc) or have two races which can easily reach each other's starting area (human and dwarf/gnome, draenei and night elf for alliance, tauren and troll/orc or undead/blood elf for horde).

For a Human to reach the dwarf/gnome's starting zone, proceed to Stormwind City and ask a guard for the blacksmithing trainer. On the opposite side of the blacksmithing trainer you will notice a tunnel with spinning gears. That leads to the Deeprun tram and will transport you to Ironforge's Tinker Town.

For a Dwarf/Gnome to reach the Human's starting zone, proceed to Ironforge and proceed around Ironforge in a counterclockwise manner until you reach Tinker Town.

For an Undead to reach the Blood Elf starting zone, proceed to the Undercity. In the courtyard above ground, bear to your right until you find an item called the Orb of Translocation.
For a Blood Elf to reach the Undead starting zone, ask a guard in Silvermoon City for the Mage trainers. The Mage trainer is in the same building as the leaders of Silvermoon. There will be a stairwell in the same room as the leaders which will have an Orb of Translocation, which will transport you to the courtyard of Undercity.
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And for Night Elf going to the Draenei starting area:

Go to Darnassus, and go to the island in the middle, then past it where you will see a portal. This will take you to another area of the Night Elf starting area, where you will be able to take a boat to Auberdine in Darkshore. At Auberdine, you can take a boat to Exodar, the Draenei capital.

For a Draenei going to Darnassus, reverse the process -- I can't remember offhand, though, where the boat near the Exodar is.

This is slightly longer than the Deeprun Tram or the Translocation Orb, but you can still avoid long runs through strange and difficult areas.

--Says the consummate traveler who once traveled all the way from Durotar to Thunder Bluff when the level 15 hyenas were still all ?? (which I know because I did not read any websites at that time, and thought that going through the Stonetalon Mountains would be a much better short cut than going all the way south the way the signs suggested *rolls eyes at former self*. Needless to say, I gave up after constantly dying to said hyenas and ran all the way back to Crossroads to do it the right way. And still got to Thunder Bluff eventually.)
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#12 Feb 26 2008 at 11:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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biosmonkey wrote:
1) We pretty much just want to run around the world and do quests together without too much interaction with others (at least for now). Is Normal or RP the best for that?

Normal. RP is about interacting with others, and doing it in persona.

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2) I read that new characters start in a particular 'region'. If I choose Human and she chooses Night Elf, won't we be in completely different places when we start? How do we find each other to quest together?

Humans, Dwarves, and Gnomes start close to each other. Linking up is not a problem. Similarly, Draenei and Night Elves should also have few problems questing together.

Getting Humans and Night Elves together is a pain, but is doable if you like dying a bit to get together (between the two of you, you can decide which one will go to the other's starting area). There is a benefit to travelling this way, and that's "Exploration Experience". You should be able to get a level or two from getting to the other's area.

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4) Logically I would think we should pick a Realm with Low population, but I read elsewhere that maybe that's not the best thing if you want to join Guilds etc. Is medium better or does it really matter?

I don't think it's guilds as much as groups. Low population servers also tend to have economies that really suck, making it harder to make gold. You'd be beter off with a medium pop server.
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#13 Feb 27 2008 at 5:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Holy moly, what an impressive amount of help! I thought I would be lucky to get one or two posts. Thank you all!

* I think Normal is probably the best choice then, with a medium population because my wife is very intrigued with the concept of auction houses (don't get me started about ebay). I was only thinking Low from a performance standpoint, not an anti-social one :)

* I think I will just choose the same race as her character, as I am not particularly tied to human, etc. and want her to enjoy the game. Eh, maybe I'll just break my typical mold and do something besides a warrior.

One question though:

If we start as the same race in the same area, does that mean questing together will split our XP? I don't know how WOW works this way... how does the game allocate XP when you kill a baddie if you have someone with you? Does the character with the final blow get all the points? Do you set up parties and everyone splits the total XP, or do all members get the same full XP?

If XP is split up then I am concerned that it will take us twice as long to level and progress...


* Thanks for tips about the router. It seemed to only be something for the patcher but I could not find anything that said so. I don't really understand why that is needed anyway...when I first installed WOW I had to download several large patches, which was working but at some point said I was behind a firewall. I guess I'll just use the DMZ function as someone suggested in the future.

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2) I read that new characters start in a particular 'region'. If I choose Human and she chooses Night Elf, won't we be in completely different places when we start? How do we find each other to quest together?


It's do-able. You can wait until the NE levels up a little, then begin the hike. I prefer to walk as opposed to be teleported as you can pick up a couple of flight paths on the way.
The best way though is to ask if anybody would be kind enough to escort you there. I've done this a couple of times for people.
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If we start as the same race in the same area, does that mean questing together will split our XP? I don't know how WOW works this way... how does the game allocate XP when you kill a baddie if you have someone with you? Does the character with the final blow get all the points? Do you set up parties and everyone splits the total XP, or do all members get the same full XP?

If XP is split up then I am concerned that it will take us twice as long to level and progress...


Yes, exp gets split equally between however many people there are in the party (so long as they are of the same level), so with two of you, you'll each get half the exp per monster than you would if you were soloing. Having said that, with two of you it also means you'll be able to kill things far quicker. My husband and I have levelled two characters to 70 together (currently working on the third set) and not once have we felt we have been hindered in our exp gain. To the contrary - you can do more difficult things than you can while playing solo, which means higher exp at a lower level - and it's more FUN!
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biosmonkey wrote:
when I first installed WOW I had to download several large patches, which was working but at some point said I was behind a firewall. I guess I'll just use the DMZ function as someone suggested in the future.


The downloader normally works pear to pear. If you go into the details screen when downloading a large patch, you see multiple people where you are downloading chunks of the patch from, as well as where you are uploading some of what you have already received to others.

The downloader simply recognizes when your router blocks some of the pear to pear access. It doesn't mean you wont get the patch, but if it is a very large one, your download speed may not be as fast.

I don't normally use the dmz, but I like knowing I could if I encounter any problems. Since Blizz downloads much of their patches in the weeks before it goes live, this isn't much of an issue once you have the game up and running.
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biosmonkey wrote:
If we start as the same race in the same area, does that mean questing together will split our XP? I don't know how WOW works this way... how does the game allocate XP when you kill a baddie if you have someone with you?


When you are in a group, you split the XP (and if the group has more than 2 people in it, you get some bonus XP per kill). When you are not grouped, the XP goes to the one who has tagged the mob (that is did the first damage to that mob).

You want to level in a group. Only then you both get the kills added to your quest progress and such. And yes you'll only get half of the XP, but you'll kill things faster and you'll be able to do harder quests (or do them faster).

Another thing to remember is that only the killing XP is shared between you. When you complete quests both of you will receive the full XP for that.
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biosmonkey wrote:


2) I read that new characters start in a particular 'region'. If I choose Human and she chooses Night Elf, won't we be in completely different places when we start? How do we find each other to quest together?


If you happen to go on Aerie Peak (US), look me up in game and I would be willing to escort you. I'm usually on Ailidrae.

Edit: What, I get rated down for trying to be helpful? So be it.

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Skinning, herbalism and enchanting (used as *disenchanting*, turning magic items you don't need into stuff you can sell) are all great professions to divide between you if she's so interested in the auction house; mining would be great too, but the NE starting area has no mining opportunities, so perhaps alchemy would work out well.

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* I think I will just choose the same race as her character, as I am not particularly tied to human, etc. and want her to enjoy the game. Eh, maybe I'll just break my typical mold and do something besides a warrior.


You could still play a Warrior, since your wife will be playing a Night Elf Hunter. (This is not a suggestion; it is a slightly cynical prediction. An extraordinary number of new players choose Night Elf Hunters. Nothing wrong with the race/class combination, or with new players, but it does lead to certain stereotypes.) However, if you're both starting out as Night Elves, I suggest that you create a Druid. It's sometimes considered one of the more difficult classes to master, but it's probably the most flexible class. Depending on the gear, talents and form you're using, you can play a Druid like a Warrior to complement your wife's healing (if she's a Priest), like a Rogue to do stealth missions (if she's a Rogue), or as a healer (if she's a Hunter or Warrior), or simply as a damage dealer on easy missions.

As others have said, divided XP will not be a problem. Early quest XP rockets you through levels, and you'll both get 100% of that, plus you'll finish most quests faster, so the reduced XP for killing will not be noticeable.
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My wife tells me that she wants to play as Night Elf Druid, because a) she wants to have pointy ears and b) wants to spell cast something besides healing.

Given that I typically play fighter/warrior characters so I can whale on things with large sharp objects (and also the starting area issue) what do you guys think I should be so we complement each others skills? Same race? (I'm not sure what the other race is in the same starting area)

I might consider a Hunter as it looks like I can do some fighting AND ranged stuff, plus I think they can have pets which would help augment our small party.
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Anything complements a Druid. A Druid can (eventually) play the role of any other character EASILY while levelling. Even in end-game, their "hybrid" nature is useful and their weaknesses in a particular spec (compared to their pure counterpart) aren't enough to exclude them. Infact, they have their own unique strengths. Caster DPS, Healer, Tank, Melee DPS... they have it all.

The point? You can pretty much play as whatever you want and your playstyle will evolve so that SOME spec of Druid will be a good match for you.
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biosmonkey wrote:

My wife tells me that she wants to play as Night Elf Druid, because a) she wants to have pointy ears and b) wants to spell cast something besides healing.


Why don't you both be druids, then you could both stealth to quest items together.

Also, while one tanks as a bear, the other could do dps as a clawing cat, or pop out to throw a heal, or you both could dps.

Just a thought.

You could of course be any class. Night elves and Draenei start fairly close to each other. It would be fairly easy to meet if you were an elf or Draenei. That should give you access to all the classes.

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biosmonkey wrote:

My wife tells me that she wants to play as Night Elf Druid, because a) she wants to have pointy ears and b) wants to spell cast something besides healing.

Given that I typically play fighter/warrior characters so I can whale on things with large sharp objects (and also the starting area issue) what do you guys think I should be so we complement each others skills? Same race? (I'm not sure what the other race is in the same starting area)

I might consider a Hunter as it looks like I can do some fighting AND ranged stuff, plus I think they can have pets which would help augment our small party.


If your wife is going druid, and you like melee, you should go NElf Warrior or Rogue. Rogue will do massive dps and you will both be able to stealth (druid at lvl 20 I think). Of course if you do warrior, then you won't be competing for drops (rogue and druid both where? leather)

Edit: Where does not equal wear

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Or...

Your wife could go shadow priest. Druids, shamans, and priests all start with two spells, one offensive and one healing (I know this because I recently started all three). Yes, she may be asked to heal in groups, but that might happen as a druid just as easily. There's no reason that that should be all she does, even if she picks a priest, especially if she goes shadow (and while there is a large stigma against shadow priests who refuse to heal, I think if this is made clear before the group gets started, it shouldn't be a problem.) And unless you're planning on doing 5-man groups a lot (which I'm guessing from your original post is not the case), this won't be an issue at all.

It depends a little on what she wants to do other than healing. Shadow priest is DPS with damage over time spells. Druid is nature damage or shapeshifting. And shaman is enhanced melee or nature damage.

I don't know if there are any shamans with pointy ears (well, trolls' ears are pointy, but I'm guessing that's not what she means), but she could be a night elf shadow priest.

All that said, I think 2 druids would be a lot of fun.

The third option would be to try a whole bunch of different class/race combinations and see what you both actually enjoy playing.

If you've read on here a lot, as far as the group thing goes, (or if you've played similar games in the past) you probably know that the most sought positions in a group are tank and healer, so if she really doesn't want to heal at all, *you* might want to pick a class that can heal. That will make it less likely that people would ask her to heal (as druid or priest), if both of you are in the same party. Unless you don't want to heal at all, either.

From a personal perspective, when I originally started my priest, I didn't think I would like healing. But actually, I'm very good at it and love it. It's what I like to do most in a group.

Finally, in the case that one of you likes playing the game more or has more time for it, I recommend starting another character to play when the other is not on. There is nothing more frustrating than running around with your friend who is 10 levels higher than you because he levels faster and plays more often. You feel completely useless.
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#25 Feb 27 2008 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Lots of answers already. I agree that questing together will speed up leveling despite the kill xp split - quest xp accounts for a high percentage of your leveling xp anyway.

Also agree that if your wife decides to go druid, you can be anything you want. Rogue or another druid would be fun for duo stealth.

Just want to add though that she should be aware, since she sounds like she wants to be a caster, that the casting spec for druids is not the easiest to level in, at least until higher levels. It's also not an easy class to learn if you're new to the game. But that's not to discourage her - druids do rule. I'd just suggest she do some reading about the class beforehand (the druid forum right here is an excellent place to start - the sticky there is excellent). That really applies to anything you want to play though - I wish I'd read Alla before I played so I would've made fewer mistakes on my early characters.

Shadow priest is another excellent option for a pointy-eared caster, or she could go draenai and play a mage, and pretend her horns are ears. :)
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Others have already mentioned this but I will amen it. Why don't you choose a Draenei class and she can choose her NE druid? If you don't have the burning crusade, I would suggest you try NE hunter to compliment her druid. If you do have TBC, Exodar is just a boat trip away from Teldrassil where you and your wife can join each other. I personally like the Draenei Shammy myself but I can see the caster/healer concerns you brought up. Draenei look awesome in plate armor so Warrior or tank spec Paladin are great options for Draenei as well. And...if you are teaming up, I would suggest one of you choosing mining/skinning for your gold income and whatever you prefer for your other toon.

Just my 2 copper worth

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