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Paladin - a Plate wearing, 2k+ bonus healing getting, 12k+ mana getting tank...

Priest - a Cloth wearing, 2k+ bonus healing getting, 10k+ mana getting sitting duck....

In a 5 man or a raid, if a Paladin pulls aggro (doubtful with a good tank) he/she can survive, barely.

However, if a Priest pulls aggro, it's all of 2 shots and dead.

As per the DPS side, IMHO, a SPriest would/should DPS more than a Ret Paladin.
That is totally my opinion, although I have a Ret Paladin...

Edited, Jan 20th 2008 6:47pm by Syladia

SPriest = Mana battery
SPriests bring more to a group than just dps, they have better utility that only SPriests can use, where as most of your utilities can be used in every spec.

Because ret blows.

you guys are misunderstading i aint devating which is better i dont care about that, what i meant to say why not get another healer in the grp to heal rather than having a gimp healer to heal, sorry if you guys dint get it at first.

funny thing comes to mind when i read these post from the community, "ret sucks" "lolret" "ret dont bring anything to the table" but when we ask for buff and utility is "ret is too powerful as is" ret is great" there's soo much conflicting arguments that even you guys dont know what else to add.

Edited, Jan 20th 2008 8:28pm by spunkelunking

Lolret.

There's nothing wrong with having a pally run as the main healer. I ran Sethyk Halls (I was the tank)on the weekend in a 5 man and the only healer was a Tankadin. We got through with only about 3 wipes. We then ren Slabs with a SPriest as healer.

Likewise have run ramparts and citadel with only a shaman healer.

All can fill the healing roll if managed correctly.

It comes down to , make the character you want. If you make a healing class then you have to be prepared to be asked to do healing. If the leader asks you to be healer its up to you to say 'No' if you don't want to do it. But if you do say no be prepared to be dropped from the group. I always maintain that the leader calls the shots and he may have reasons for wanting you to heal.

Remember, if you have a big mob, a priest will draw a lot of agro if they throw out a big heal and will get wiped easily if there are too many for the tank to regain agro quickly. A pally has a better survival chance. Therefore that may be why you were asked to heal instead of the SPriest.

Agrilok

*****...first learn how to quote properly.

Priests were given a dps tree so they had more options than heal, heal or heal.
Where as paladins already have tanking and healing.

About the kitty's and boomkin, I said noone asks for them, not they don't do good damage.

And what I was talking about with the 3 choice thing is that for some reason you think paladins should have ret buffed and utilised so much that people will want them for groups over other classes, yet every other class only has 2 choices that people really want them for (and then only 1 choice for warriors, which I did not forget.)

People don't really want warriors for dps, they want warriors to tank.
They only take warriors if nothing else is available or if they need an off-tank for something.

So why exactly should paladins be wanted for dps, tanking and healing?

First and foremost, does English happen to be your native language?

If you'd rather dps, roll a rogue or mage. I know you said not to say that, but you know what? I don't care. You said you already have a holy paladin at 70, so I don't understand why you would wish to roll the same class again, but not only that, choose it in order to dps, despite pallys hardly being the choice for dps.

As far as SPriests vs Pallies healing and dpsing, as has been previously stated, SPriests can bring more to the table than a ret can.

Yes, this game is supposed to be fun. But guess what, you have to make it fun. By rolling a Ret Pally and expecting the invites for dps to roll in and then complaining it's not fun is like complaining any game isn't fun because you decided to glue thorns on your controller. It's your choice, it's your fault. This game does require balancing between classes, and each class has it's roles, and you chose the class that heals and tanks. Therefore, guess what you get to do.

It doesn't matter that your ret spec, unless there is a holy or resto spec anything, you're probably going to be healing, as the dps specs for other classes will most likely outdo you.

Also, you're not forced to heal. You can tank too :). Trying getting a priest to tank, see how that works out.

No, english is not my native language, i do struggle with it, but i do alright.



if you gonna post about this please read from the begining not the end, ussually helps to consolidate your views. I dint wanted a true dps, therefore i roll a pally i roll a second pally because it was fun to do.
Till this day i havent regret it.



and that sir we can agreed on.



first your are too agry, secondly this game does require valance is a pvp base game duh!!!

As a holy priest I must say that every priest, regardless of spec, should always be prepared to heal. Why? Because the power of the priest is his portfolio of healing spells.
Read the manual, it's all in there.

I'ts okay to be shadow, they are very viable as mana-batteries and DPS in raids/heroics, but if you want to super XXXcrit and DPS for life, please roll a warlock. That way, you'll never have to heal.

Same goes for warriors, always be prepared to tank, cause that's why people ask/invite you. (never seen a "LF DPS warrior" in the lfg-channel)

As to the question: Should a Shadow priest heal when there's also a Ret Pally? I say yes.

Lol a pally as DPS...

Sometimes these forums crack me up.

Y hello thar, Dilbrt.

There are exceptions to this, my guild has a fury warrior who can tank heroics without losing aggro, and a Ret pally who can put out some impressive dps. They are the exceptions that prove the rule.