Long time raiders seem to lack skillFollow

Allegory has never been a healer in a good raid if he thinks Healing isnt skill intensive.

For the most part you're either contibuting to DPS or contributing to healing. Which is not necessarily skill intensive.

Yeah, but that means Seo is gonna hafta tank, which means we're all doooooooooommmmmeeeeddddd.

I'm beggining to notice a trend in pug 5 mans of late. Everyone is absolutely terrible at what they do. Now i'm not the best hunter in the world, but i like to think i'm skilled at what i do(just a little). My raiding has up to and includes nef, as well as several world bosses, i pvp, i 5 man, hell i've been soloing group quests the last few days just to see if it's doable. But this is where the problem comes. I practise and practise to make sure i do my job well, now the so called "top end guilds" run some pugs to do instances like Steam vaults. A realitively easy instance that i usually only wipe once or twice on maybe 1 boss with The Fifth Star. So in this example, i know the strats, i've done it about a dozen times now. So i figuire a common pug from a top guild on my server would be able to handle it. O dear god was i wrong. This guild, let's call them guild a, invited me. I was the only outsider of the group. They had current gear, a very good healer, and me a skilled hunter. So we start the instance, the tank isn't very smart to start it off. he pulls without the rogue sapping, or the warlock seducing(yes i realize seduce sucks, but it can hold long enough to work), i try to salvage the situation by trapping the siren. A mob that can fear. I trap it, go to town on what the warrior is using. He runs over to my trapped mob and break the trap so he has 3 mobs banging on him.

The rest of the run kept like that, the rogue didn't have imp sap( a raiding rogue was specced for pvp, figuire that one out), the warlock feared several mobs into groups, and the warrior refused to let us properly CC.

Now my story might seem like a little rant of a night gone wrong, but wait there is more. I'm running into more and more groups like this. High end guilds with crappy players. They are terrible at this game, but because they could show up to raids they achieved tier 3 gear. where is a guild like the fifth star, which is made up of casual raiders, one shots bosses and doesn't falter on trash. And it's not because we know each other so well, it's because we have common sense to use all of our abilities and adapt.

So i guess what i'm really trying to say is, lol you have to actually pull your weight now. I wonder how many people are going to quit now that things aren't handed to them. Players who just want things handed to them like to say "No that instance is impossible" no it's not, nothing in this game is unless it's bugged, and even then unless the npc is missing you can find a way around things(there are exceptions of course) but no instance is impossible atm. So in essence best said by my buddy Levin "it's fine L2P"

disclaimer: yes this isn't well put together, nor is it really to the point, but something needed to spark you old vets into this. It's obvious that mindless raiding is gone, and the reign of the non idiotic player has come. Let us rejoice

ROFL. you make me giggle.


There is NO use for imp sap in a raid. NO USE.

This a joke or something?

Imp sap is much improved from where it used to be. For one thing, you can now spec combat and out-dps everyone save for possibly a well-geared mage and still get this talent. For another thing, it's 100% chance to stay in stealth now, not 90%. Its main perk is that it allows two saps to be applied if you have two rogues in the group. If neither has imp sap, only one can make themselves useful. You may say you will never have a pair of rogues in a party, but it can happen, and it can work.

It has its uses in PvP, too. You can perpetually keep a pair of stupid players from capturing a flag in Eye of the Storm or AB. ;)

This post sprouts from the assumption that raiders are somehow more skilled than non-raiders. I don't think this is true. It is more or less a case of dedication, determination and the availability of free time to be spent on WoW.

The fact that their gear was hard to get doesn't mean that they are more skilled, now is it? Just like the old PvP ranks... a high rank didn't mean they were pvp gods... all you had to do, was do it a lot!

Then again, a 40 man raid is something completely different from a 5 man...
I know what you're talking about... you expect more from those guys since they are experiencing a hard-core and specific part of WoW that casual gamers will never experience... but in the end they're just like non-raiders.