Honestly - didn't they learn their lesson at L10? L20? L30? L40? L50?
I guess if you're in tier 3 gear w/ Naxx weapons I can't really argue ... but that's not the players who are in the BGs. On Alliance side, we keep losing because as many as 60% of the BG is L60s.
Go level - there's a whole new world out there.
Some people say "I'm doing it for the epic mount!" .. okay well if you keep making your team lose, you'll need 90 losses.
Some people say "I'm doing it for the weapons!" .. okay well 45000 honor is about 10 8-hr sessions. In that time, you could be L65 with a better weapon.
Others still say "I pay $15/mo and I can do what I want." If paying a monthly fee is your justification for bad play, you lack reasoning skills (or, perhaps you feel that paying money to do something is an excuse for mediocrity ...)
Either way, L60s stay out of BGs. Have some respect for your fellow players and go level up a bit. It's not much different than being a L20 in a L29 BG, etc.
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 1:56am by Jordster
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I think Blizzard should have kept a level 60 BG only bracket for a short while for the players who couldn't get TBC just yet or wanted to get a few more items before starting out in Outlands. But they didn't so it's not the players fault.
Maybe if you leveled up you could be playing happy in the level 70 bracket. :)
Maybe if you leveled up you could be playing happy in the level 70 bracket. :)
I agree with you. The lower the level of the team, the tougher it is to win.
But like you said, it's their money. The L60s can do what they want. If it means losing 90 straight games, so be it.
The flipside is: you level to 70 and gear up. That way you avoid this whole issue.
But like you said, it's their money. The L60s can do what they want. If it means losing 90 straight games, so be it.
The flipside is: you level to 70 and gear up. That way you avoid this whole issue.
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Warchief Jordster wrote:
Some people say "I'm doing it for the epic mount!" .. okay well if you keep making your team lose, you'll need 90 losses.
Some people say "I'm doing it for the weapons!" .. okay well 45000 honor is about 10 8-hr sessions. In that time, you could be L65 with a better weapon.
Others still say "I pay $15/mo and I can do what I want." If paying a monthly fee is your justification for bad play, you lack reasoning skills (or, perhaps you feel that paying money to do something is an excuse for mediocrity ...)
Some people say "I'm doing it for the weapons!" .. okay well 45000 honor is about 10 8-hr sessions. In that time, you could be L65 with a better weapon.
Others still say "I pay $15/mo and I can do what I want." If paying a monthly fee is your justification for bad play, you lack reasoning skills (or, perhaps you feel that paying money to do something is an excuse for mediocrity ...)
Others say "I can't get the expansion so 60's as high as I can go and since there's no raiding, no running lev 60 endgame instances pvp's all we can do!"
I totally disagree.
So, if you don't raid to get your T3/Naxx equip then you should NEVER play BGs? Oh, common, don't be a whiner because you lose alot. With all greens/blues from TBC you can buy at AH, you don't even need those epics, you can handle very well at any BGs.
If you're playing WSG or AB, you know alliance lose alot. If you play AV, you win alot. Don't blame other people because the lack of skill of your team. I'm quite sure there're other players better geared then you who think same way about you.
Anyway, you don't need play BGs if you don't want to. Or you can level up to 70 and play 70's bracket. Even more, 60's bracket are played only by 60s, it's not from 60~69 players.
So, if you don't raid to get your T3/Naxx equip then you should NEVER play BGs? Oh, common, don't be a whiner because you lose alot. With all greens/blues from TBC you can buy at AH, you don't even need those epics, you can handle very well at any BGs.
If you're playing WSG or AB, you know alliance lose alot. If you play AV, you win alot. Don't blame other people because the lack of skill of your team. I'm quite sure there're other players better geared then you who think same way about you.
Anyway, you don't need play BGs if you don't want to. Or you can level up to 70 and play 70's bracket. Even more, 60's bracket are played only by 60s, it's not from 60~69 players.
The problem with 60-69 bracket when compared to 20-29 or 30-39, is, that the distance between 60 and 69 is WAY bigger than, for example 20-29.
69 can have SO much better gear than lvl 60, and more skills.
69 can have SO much better gear than lvl 60, and more skills.
phabyo wrote:
it's not from 60~69 players.
Yes it is...now.
I get your point Jord, but i haven't got the expac and i still play my 60 for fun once in a while, and when i do i do BG's, yes i get spanked more than i used to, but from my experience most of the people i come up against are level 60 in similar gear anyway. Most 60+ are too busy levelling and therefore not spec'd for PVP so aren't that much better than me, even in much better gear and with new skills, and from what i'm hearing all those PVPer seem to be trying to get there arena tactics sorted. So i would say its the 60+ guys who should get out of the BG's, surely you've got better stuff to do, and leave the BG's to those of us who haven't bought BC yet.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Yes it is...now.
Is it? Since when? Don't remember reading that at patch notes.
If 60~69 is now the same bracket, then I was wrong, sorry. Really it's a pain playing with lower levels, but you must remember that goes both way. There're also 60s playing at horde, so, I don't think that's why alliance lose.
I it would be better to have 60-65 in one bracket and 66-69 in one^^b
It suck not getting honor when you kill a lvl 60 at 69^^
It suck not getting honor when you kill a lvl 60 at 69^^
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Thats a pretty narrow minded view.
You can't expect people to upgrade to BC to make your life easier.
What if they can't afford the upgrade?
What if they can't run it?
You can't expect people to upgrade to BC to make your life easier.
What if they can't afford the upgrade?
What if they can't run it?
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I agree with Jordster on this one. If you know *&^% well you can't compete, don't enter the battleground. When you're under 66 in the 60-69 bracket, you're doing the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gunfight.
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Dread Lord bluejack wrote:
I think Blizzard should have kept a level 60 BG only bracket for a short while for the players who couldn't get TBC just yet or wanted to get a few more items before starting out in Outlands. But they didn't so it's not the players fault.
Maybe if you leveled up you could be playing happy in the level 70 bracket. :)
Maybe if you leveled up you could be playing happy in the level 70 bracket. :)
Yep Blizzard should of keep a Level 60 Bracket for folks who, for what ever reason, can not get the Expansion.
Right now if you are 60 without the expansion there is not much to do besides grinding rep or making a Twink for the lower brackets. Sorta sucks for them.
Sanvyn the Malevolent wrote:
I agree with Jordster on this one. If you know *&^% well you can't compete, don't enter the battleground. When you're under 66 in the 60-69 bracket, you're doing the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Then why bother having level brackets? Why not just have level 10, 11, 12, 13 to 58, 59, 60, 61, 62 ect brackets?
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Sanvyn the Malevolent wrote:
I agree with Jordster on this one. If you know *&^% well you can't compete, don't enter the battleground. When you're under 66 in the 60-69 bracket, you're doing the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Then why bother having level brackets? Why not just have level 10, 11, 12, 13 to 58, 59, 60, 61, 62 ect brackets?
Well that is just to hard to do but to add in a bracket at the Road Block (60) would make sence.
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Sanvyn the Malevolent wrote:
I agree with Jordster on this one. If you know *&^% well you can't compete, don't enter the battleground. When you're under 66 in the 60-69 bracket, you're doing the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Then why bother having level brackets? Why not just have level 10, 11, 12, 13 to 58, 59, 60, 61, 62 ect brackets?
I agree with Jordster on this one. If you know *&^% well you can't compete, don't enter the battleground. When you're under 66 in the 60-69 bracket, you're doing the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Then why bother having level brackets? Why not just have level 10, 11, 12, 13 to 58, 59, 60, 61, 62 ect brackets?
Fact is, the way it's set up, you're asking to get your *** whipped if you go in more than 3 levels lower than the bracket's cap. It's just the smart way to go about it, level as close to or meet the bracket's cap and gear out for it.
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The problem with 60-69 bracket when compared to 20-29 or 30-39, is, that the distance between 60 and 69 is WAY bigger than, for example 20-29.
69 can have SO much better gear than lvl 60, and more skills.
69 can have SO much better gear than lvl 60, and more skills.
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I dont understand why they didnt do a bracket just for the 60's or even change it so 60 was the top tier in their bracket. Would be awesome to play a twink 60 :)
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 4:13am by sinrtb
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 4:13am by sinrtb
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The simplest solution would be to have a 50-60 bracket and then a 61-69 bracket. I know this is unfair for people in their 50's as some of the 60's would have end game gear, but then you have twinks at every level except the 59 level, so they would just be uber twinks!!
Edit: Great minds think alike hey sinrtb
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 7:17am by SimpleSimon
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 7:17am by SimpleSimon
Edit: Great minds think alike hey sinrtb
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 7:17am by SimpleSimon
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 7:17am by SimpleSimon
Problem is, if level 60 was the top tier for any bracket, it'd be unfair. Same reason a 31-40 bracket would be unfair - mounts.
Also, I'm perfectly convinced there is no stand-alone level 60 bracket because Blizzard wants to sell expansions.
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 5:16am by Reinjin
Also, I'm perfectly convinced there is no stand-alone level 60 bracket because Blizzard wants to sell expansions.
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 5:16am by Reinjin
They just need to make sure they don't shoot themselves in the foot and turn people who can't afford the expac off completely!
I don't see how people can't afford the expansion. It's $40, which is cheaper than most games these days, and it only costs a little more than a 60-day game card.
Well not being able to afford it is only one reason, it just seems that its more than an expansion if its becoming a vital part of the game!
A free transfer to a non expansion server for all those without would be a possible solution, would mean that the old end game still became viable as you would easily be able to gather raid groups!
A free transfer to a non expansion server for all those without would be a possible solution, would mean that the old end game still became viable as you would easily be able to gather raid groups!
I freely admit it, I am a PvP ******. I suck at PvP, I may get 6 or 7 kills a
session in WG and maybe 1 successful assault in AB. With that being said, I strive on. Why you might ask? Because I like occassional PvP. And once I do get better gear and get to the higher end of each bracket, I'll have the battleground experience to play well. I think that its an elitist view to think that those on the lower end of the bracket should stay out to facilitate the higher end having an easier time of it. Perhaps the higher end folks should only do BG with premade groups??
session in WG and maybe 1 successful assault in AB. With that being said, I strive on. Why you might ask? Because I like occassional PvP. And once I do get better gear and get to the higher end of each bracket, I'll have the battleground experience to play well. I think that its an elitist view to think that those on the lower end of the bracket should stay out to facilitate the higher end having an easier time of it. Perhaps the higher end folks should only do BG with premade groups??
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Problem is, if level 60 was the top tier for any bracket, it'd be unfair.
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 5:16am by Reinjin
Edited, Feb 9th 2007 5:16am by Reinjin
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I don't see how people can't afford the expansion. It's $40, which is cheaper than most games these days, and it only costs a little more than a 60-day game card.
To give one example, unemployment. I have an unemployed friend who looks after his disabled gf and has to wait till his birthday (June) for someone to buy a copy for him (I'm gonna lend him some cash).
I have also noticed the profusion of free MMOs on the market, which i used to try out when i was bored of WoW (Flyff, THANG online, Space Cowboy to name a few.) They were flooded with players. Asking English speaking people why they didn't play WoW (I really didn't get it at first, I found the games so bad in comparison), the most common answers were "My parents won't let me" or "I can't afford it". I'm sure there are plenty of players who have the game, but can't afford, or arn't allowed, the expansion.
To be honest, with at least over 7 million subscribers (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/07/world-of-warcraft-hits-7-million-subscribers/), I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why people don't have a copy of TBC yet.
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Anyone who can afford a $15/mo game subscription CAN afford a $40 expansion. It isn't like it just came along one day ... Everyone knew the expansion was coming a YEAR before it was released. So, if you can save $3.25/mo, you can afford the expac!
Didn't save up? It's your fault.
I'm a L66 Rogue in Blues and Greens exclusively found in outlands. Where a tier 2 Rogue would have 4500 HP, I have almost 7,000.
The Horde side has 2-3 L60s in the typical WSG and Alliance have 4-6. I was in an AB that had 9 L60 Alliance in it!
That is a loss before we get out of the starting gates. Some people will argue ... but when a single L69 Undead lock takes on 3-4 L60s, it is a LOSS for everyone in the BG because you are there.
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