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#1 Jan 21 2007 at 1:01 PM Rating: Default
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I realize this is a massive, massive over generalization but I gotta be honest: most warriors I've met haven't necessarily been...well, intelligent.

Some examples recently:

-Pre-BC, me and my guild were in AQ40 when one of the other rogues in our guild said "I just drank a mongoose potion, so I'll invariably die on this pull." One of our main tanks in the guild asked "what's that word mean?". Shocked by the stupidity of the question, I just quickly responded with "not a variable". Most of us believed that would be the end of it, then the warrior asked "What's a variable?" The warrior is a freshman in college.

-One time (post-BC) I was the leader in a Ramparts run. Having never been in the ramparts before though, I didn't know what target priorities were. I kindly asked in the party chat this simple question, when I got a /w from our warrior (not the same one) asking what a priority was.

-One time (post BC) when debating damage formulas with another rogue over Ventrilo, another completely different warrior logs on to the server. He hears me saying "the damage is basically your attack power squared times .3". He then asks over ventrilo "omg since when did rogues get an AoE?". I, thinking he was talking about blade flurry, said we've always had it. He quickly corrects me and goes "no, the thing about how you said eviscerate does square damage".

-In HP, I was attacked by a level 70 warrior while I was killing a mob. I finished off the mob and, looking for an escape, realized that I was on top of a pretty big hill. I blinded said warrior, and jumped off said hill. I survived the fall, taking about 2000 damage and restealthed. I figured that would be the end of it, but lo and behold here comes Mr. 70 warrior jumping off the cliff as well. The fall nearly kills him (he's flashing red) and then to top things off, he SITS DOWN AND BEGINS EATING. I ambushed him, taking advantage of the 100% crit chance and basically got a free HK.

I hate to see warriors fit this stereotype, but sadly a LOT of them do. I guess getting beaten senseless by mobs doesn't do their brains very well.

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#2 Jan 21 2007 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess getting beaten senseless by mobs doesn't do their brains very well.


Lol i suppose it doesn't, however I've yet to see a Warrior on my server with less than average intelligence. I suppose the idiots just don't think to choose a class, and since a warrior is automatically the first one on the character creation screen...
#3 Jan 21 2007 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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The same could be said of most Rogues.
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#4 Jan 21 2007 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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That's why you need a nice gnome warrior. Brains, brawn AND cuteness. You can't lose!
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Well, if you remember, most 60 warriors only have around 30-40 intellect xD.
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#6 Jan 21 2007 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure you can find examples of people like this from all sorts of classes.

Edited, Jan 21st 2007 5:22pm by Iamadam
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I realize this is a massive, massive over generalization but I gotta be honest: most warriors I've met haven't necessarily been...well, intelligent.

Some examples recently:

-Pre-BC, me and my guild were in AQ40 when one of the other rogues in our guild said "I just drank a mongoose potion, so I'll invariably die on this pull." One of our main tanks in the guild asked "what's that word mean?". Shocked by the stupidity of the question, I just quickly responded with "not a variable". Most of us believed that would be the end of it, then the warrior asked "What's a variable?" The warrior is a freshman in college.

-One time (post-BC) I was the leader in a Ramparts run. Having never been in the ramparts before though, I didn't know what target priorities were. I kindly asked in the party chat this simple question, when I got a /w from our warrior (not the same one) asking what a priority was.

-One time (post BC) when debating damage formulas with another rogue over Ventrilo, another completely different warrior logs on to the server. He hears me saying "the damage is basically your attack power squared times .3". He then asks over ventrilo "omg since when did rogues get an AoE?". I, thinking he was talking about blade flurry, said we've always had it. He quickly corrects me and goes "no, the thing about how you said eviscerate does square damage".


I hate to see warriors fit this stereotype, but sadly a LOT of them do. I guess getting beaten senseless by mobs doesn't do their brains very well.



ROFL


i had a shaman healing me in a party ( I was main tank; yes, a warrior.) and he was the only healer. He started casting and i died; wiping the raid. So we walk back and rez and i tell him to ONLY heal not attack. We start fighting mobs again and i see: Earthshock, chain lightning, Rockbiter weapon 3 times, Earthshock, and our shaman plees for healing.
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#8 Jan 21 2007 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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then the warrior asked "What's a variable?" The warrior is a freshman in college.


So i am in freshman year of Highschool. I have known that word for about 3+ years now. how did he say it? I R a colage stoodent?

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i had a shaman healing me in a party ( I was main tank; yes, a warrior.) and he was the only healer. He started casting and i died; wiping the raid. So we walk back and rez and i tell him to ONLY heal not attack. We start fighting mobs again and i see: Earthshock, chain lightning, Rockbiter weapon 3 times, Earthshock, and our shaman plees for healing.


If it were a Druid you would have seen MOOOOOOOOONFIRE in your textbox XD
#9 Jan 21 2007 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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-One time (post-BC) I was the leader in a Ramparts run. Having never been in the ramparts before though, I didn't know what target priorities were. I kindly asked in the party chat this simple question, when I got a /w from our warrior (not the same one) asking what a priority was.


Assuming you have been in other instances before tBC and beeing a rogue you should know what targets get priority.

If it looks like a healer, kill it.
If it chain summons, kill it.
If it casts in general (knowing from instanced experience that caster mobs tend to have less health and armour and are prone to stunlocks by rogues), kill it.

Those are the priorities, something people learn up to Scarlet Monastery the latest.

I'm a hunter and I've seen far more bad tanks, rogues, mages and healers than bad hunters.

P.S. I know you'll thrash me for the last phrase but its just personal experience ;)
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#10 Jan 21 2007 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Wrong!!! -- you can't make a sweeping statement like that -- besides your experiences are anecdotal -- perhaps others have had the opposite experience with Warriors -- Also - Many people have a number of tunes they play - when they play a Rogue or a Mage do they suddenly become smart.
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I know this is a sweeping generalisation but i've found that most people with the Forum Handle Shaolinz are...well, stupid.

Here's a recent example:

- This person made a post on a forum putting forth the statement that a particular type of class playing portion of the public are all invariably slow witted because of the class they play. He then cited a handful of examples to back up this claim that most people playing the game have come across from all sections of the online community, from all class types.

Doesn't it just make you laugh out loud?

I've therefore come to the opinion that all the Shoalinz out there have had their brains melted by staring at their screens for too long in the dead hours of the night, anyone agree with me?
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#12 Jan 21 2007 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
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well, i think that it applies to all classes.... there's nubs everywhere...

been doing AV recently cus i UPS is really taking 3 day for their 3 day shipment... Go figure... LOL

but these days, i guess most pro's are off lvling their toons so i am stuck in AV with a bunch of 50's, no priests, and a hell of a lot of pallys...

i dont mind pally going at Drek with GM 2handers but when i see pally as the ONLY healers and they decide to go melee with a wimp *** 1hander and a shield.... i think it would have been better to step back from melee range and start healing the numerous warrs who actually have drawn aggro from the 3 WM's... (noob pull, more like Noobs pulled in every direction)

well... been seeing 90minute AV's nowadays.... i got AV Carpal Tunnel...
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#13 Jan 21 2007 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Karamonde wrote:
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-One time (post-BC) I was the leader in a Ramparts run. Having never been in the ramparts before though, I didn't know what target priorities were. I kindly asked in the party chat this simple question, when I got a /w from our warrior (not the same one) asking what a priority was.


Assuming you have been in other instances before tBC and beeing a rogue you should know what targets get priority.

If it looks like a healer, kill it.
If it chain summons, kill it.
If it casts in general (knowing from instanced experience that caster mobs tend to have less health and armour and are prone to stunlocks by rogues), kill it.

Those are the priorities, something people learn up to Scarlet Monastery the latest.


True, but that's totally useless if you've never been there before and the mobs that are up for the first pull are named Fel Orc Bonechewer, Fel Orc Bonecruncher and Fel Orc Bonesmasher and you have no idea what they do.

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If it were a Druid you would have seen MOOOOOOOOONFIRE in your textbox XD


Followed by "Innervate me plz" I've seen it happen. Gives Balance Druids a bad name :(
#14 Jan 21 2007 at 8:18 PM Rating: Default
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I've therefore come to the opinion that all the Shoalinz out there have had their brains melted by staring at their screens for too long in the dead hours of the night, anyone agree with me?


1.) You spelled my name wrong.
2.) No, no they don't.

L2 have a sense of humor.
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#15 Jan 21 2007 at 9:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I'm believe the genraliztion is partly true anyways, I mean because something can certainly said about the younger crowd picking warriors just to "pwn stuff" with their uber damage. My brothers 13 and picked a Warrior class for FFXI, Guild Wars, and WoW.

At the same time though, that's like saying all African Americans are good at basketball, some are but a few instances doesn't mean it's something the majority does.
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My recent instances have had only Druid tanks, it's tough to find a Warrior these days. But, Druids are good too.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2007 8:50pm by TheYardstick
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#17 Jan 21 2007 at 10:26 PM Rating: Good
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My recent instances have had only Druid tanks, it's tough to find a Warrior these dies. But, Druids are good too.

Feral Druid > Warrior, unless the Warrior is a pimp.

Pimp as in has crusader pre-60, decked out in epics, etc.
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Well I'm believe the genraliztion is partly true anyways, I mean because something can certainly said about the younger crowd picking warriors just to "pwn stuff" with their uber damage. My brothers 13 and picked a Warrior class for FFXI, Guild Wars, and WoW.


Dont forget Rogues, the kids love that "Ninja" thing.
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L2 have a sense of humor.


I love that you respond seriously to a parody of your original post with the quote above. I think you need to take your own advice.
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#20 Jan 22 2007 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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"No, I always tank with my 2h weapon, why?"
- Just had to check.

"Shield?"
- Big board thing you block incoming blows with.

"Heal me, I'm going Berserker and Retaliation!"
- You mean you're going to corpse run.

"I tank"
- No kidding?!


All those quotes are from pre-BC experiences with Warriors.

My Druid, who is spec'd Feral (which boosts my health in Bear form, my threat generation in Bear form and my rage generation in Bear form) outtanked a Warrior in Hellfire Citadel: Ramparts the other night. First time there, first time in half a year I was assigned a tanking role, but only after a while...

The guy used Sunder Armor all right, but only on one mob. He never used Thunder Clap, never used Demoralizing Shout and he didn't use Shield Block or Shield Bash even once (plenty of caster mobs in that instance).

I was assigned a DPS role in the beginning, which I filled pretty well. I pulled aggro a few times, but 30% dodge rate is love and so is 25% crit rate. My Cat's Mangles crit for around 900-1000 depending on armor (in HFC) and my Bear's for around 1100-1400, depending on armor as well. And on top of it I had Cower for my Cat (reduces threat) and 8k armor and 7k health for my Bear. I was unstoppable. But then Mr. Warrior found out he had been grinding from level 1-60 without doing a single instance so he didn't know how to tank. So I popped Bear form a couple of times to save the Priest (boy do they hold on to aggro) and Mage and they decided I was a more capable tank.

The Warrior was put in the DPS spot instead of me and I took over tanking (in my DPS gear.. the only gear I have for my Druid). We finished Ramparts, thankfully. The Warrior never unequipped his shield, not even after we told him to go DPS...

But in all fairness, I've seen my share of dumb people and they don't seem to discriminate classes. Hunters who can't control aggro/pet, Mages who think they're AOE kings because there's a healer in the group, Priests who never trained Fade because it's useless when you solo, Rogues who never use Feint, Warlocks who think that slapping DoTs on every single mob is a good idea, Shamans who (pre-patch) thought that Earth Shock and Rockbiter was good for DPS in a group, Paladins who threw Blessing of Wisdom on Rogues, Warriors who never bought a shield (once had a Warrior pass on the shield from SM, because he tanked with 2h, rawr!) and finally Druids who refuse to shapeshift because they don't like the Bear/Cat model design (ohh yes they do exist.. my friend rolled a Druid and stayed in caster form - before Tree of Life - from level 1-60 as pure Restoration Druid).

Edited, Jan 22nd 2007 3:24am by Mazra
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#21 Jan 22 2007 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Shaolinz wrote:
blah blah warriors are stupid blah blah


Yer a stooped hed!
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Mazra the Meaningless wrote:
My Druid, who is spec'd Feral (which boosts my health in Bear form, my threat generation in Bear form and my rage generation in Bear form) outtanked a Warrior in Hellfire Citadel: Ramparts the other night. First time there, first time in half a year I was assigned a tanking role, but only after a while...

The guy used Sunder Armor all right, but only on one mob. He never used Thunder Clap, never used Demoralizing Shout and he didn't use Shield Block or Shield Bash even once (plenty of caster mobs in that instance).

can't use thunderclap in def stance, and the aggro from demo shout is pretty low these days. druids have it easier tanking multiple mobs, although swipe got nerfed.
in all honesty, you don't need a tank for ramparts. we did it with mage (dps/sheep), druid (oomkin/dps), paladin (healing), rogue (stun/dps), hunter (pet "mt"/dps). a few well placed blessings of protection were necessary =) but we cleared ramparts and blood furnace.
sure, it went easier when we had our raid mt with us, especially on bosses, but it's not required. the mobs die too fast with reasonable dps.
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But in all fairness, I've seen my share of dumb people and they don't seem to discriminate classes. Hunters who can't control aggro/pet, Mages who think they're AOE kings because there's a healer in the group, Priests who never trained Fade because it's useless when you solo, Rogues who never use Feint, Warlocks who think that slapping DoTs on every single mob is a good idea, Shamans who (pre-patch) thought that Earth Shock and Rockbiter was good for DPS in a group, Paladins who threw Blessing of Wisdom on Rogues, Warriors who never bought a shield (once had a Warrior pass on the shield from SM, because he tanked with 2h, rawr!) and finally Druids who refuse to shapeshift because they don't like the Bear/Cat model design (ohh yes they do exist.. my friend rolled a Druid and stayed in caster form - before Tree of Life - from level 1-60 as pure Restoration Druid).

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How in the hell did you manage to beat Ramparts with no tank?

Our Rogue got wasted in two seconds when the dragon started spewing fire. I got wasted in ten. 7k health gone just like that *snap*.

EDIT: On our second run we had a Mage, Priest, Rogue, Druid and Druid (me). Mage and Rogue was crowd-control and Druid was extra DPS slash healer on bosses. I tanked and the Priest healed, of course. Still, with a Priest spamming Flash Heal and a Druid spamming Rejuv and Regrowth, I died when the dragon had 5k health left. Thank god the Priest didn't catch aggro then.

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well, against that flame breath, all your armor is worth nothing. fire resist would be better in this case. and you can move away from the burning spots to avoid more damage.

we did have some good dps (me with >600 spelldamage, rogue with dual gm blades and in mostly t2, hunter and oomkin medium equip).

our pally got roasted when the dragon landed. the druid battle-rezed him and we just kept nuking. pet tanked until dead, then rogue evasion tanked. i pulled aggro and died, but he was at a few percent by then and the others killed him. the first two bosses were easy.
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It's not my fault :(

My druid friend has like 10 or 12k armor and 7k HP in bear. He out tanks me. I've got ~6400HP and 8300 Armor with my shield on. The only thing I have over him is defensive stance to reduce the damage I take from all sources by 10%.

And, when he tanks, he still deals massive dps. I was in one group where he beat a rogue and another warrior on the damage meters (I was ahead of him but not my too too much)

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Our Rogue got wasted in two seconds when the dragon started spewing fire. I got wasted in ten. 7k health gone just like that *snap*.


Just a suggestion from a warrior but when that happens move out of the fire. It's ok to move while tanking.
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