Doing your job is slavery and helping others is wrong.Follow

Now, my friend and I are happily thrashing through some mean juju horde campers up in that pirate city's shoreline. We're doing a bang up job, two mid forties taking down multiple horde higher levels than us, when, unfortunately this rogue we lost sight of ambushes me and gets me before assistance can come.

So, like usual, I'm heading back to my body when I get the sudden urge for some grape soda. You know the feeling, nothing rewards good deeds other than some carbonation and a bag of chips, so I hit my little wisp on auto-run and grab me a jumbor ******* cup of soda. Well, my little wisp is super wedgied in between a bunk bed and a tent in some pirate encampment. Well that's just peachy.

So like a fool I attempt to use auto-unstuck, which most people know, never works if you're really stuck. So I place a stuck call to a GM, now remember that the GM policy states that GMs are always available at all times of the day, even three in the morning Eastern? Yeah~

I sat there for two hours waiting on a GM. Never came.

So I got a brilliant idea! If someone raised me, I could be freed from my hammock prison. So I began to tell the general chat my problem and asked for assistance. Well, apparently there was no priests around at the time...but I knew better than that. I knew somewhere out there was some little ******* that didn't feel like doing any good deeds today. So I upped the wager, and said I'd give a gold to anyone that raised me and freed my wisp of it's prison.

No one answered yet, but, my friend sends me a message and says~

"Steve, there's this priest. I'm going to rape her body and burn her children."

I knew of course, there was some bastardry involved already so I ask what happened.

He tells me a priest named Aelan is standing on top of my body and refusing to raise me, even when asked nicely. His conversation went as such...

Khellis: "You can ressurect, right?"
Aelan: "Yeah, so?"
Khellis: "I want you to ressurect my friend, please."
Aelan: "That's nice."
Khellis: "We're even offering to pay 4 gold."
Aelan: "Pay me first."
Khellis: "And have you run off with the money? No. You can trust us."
Aelan: "Well, it's a good walk from the graveyard. He'd better get started."
Khellis: "He's stuck."
Aelan: "That sucks for him, doesn't it?"
Khellis: "Well, aren't you doing your part for the team...*"
Aelan: "We aren't a team." (Reading comprehension: failed)
Khellis: "Can't take five seconds to help raise a guy, especially when they're being nice about it?"
Aelan: "Nope, not really."

Well, being as it were, we weren't at the others house at the time. I couldn't see his chat until a day later, which, had I seen it that night, I'd have laid into her with such fury that Jesus would weep at the words I'd have to say. So I sent her a message after he told me a priest was near me.

Stiltz: "You're on my body and you won't raise me?"
Aelan: "No. I'm in <some place far from the cove>."
Stiltz: "That's kinda funny, cause my friend just told me you were."
Aelan: "Maybe your friend is lieing to you."
Stiltz: "I really rather kind of doubt that."

So I ask her to raise me, but of course, she says she's busy and can't help.

So, the second I offer 5 gold to the general chat for a raise, she instantly becomes available and ready to help. Of course she still was in the general area of my body, she wasn't directly on top of it.

I invite her, and we lead her to my body.

Of course Khellis is telling me how he hopes she gets cancer and that her children are **** raped by *****, and I'm pretty pissed at her too...so, after two hours, I finally get raised by this jerk off.

So, upon coming back to life, she leaves the party and I say thanks and start to run off.

The first thing she says is, "So how about that five gold?"

Well, I kinda stopped, and considering she was over my body at one point, asked nicely, and could've helped me around ten minutes prior...I just said.

"I could pay you but~ naaaaah. I'm busy."

Aelan: "I'm a priest not a slave. Just because I can help doesn't mean I should. I figured you'd **** me anyway."
Stiltz: Well guess what. Just because I can pay you, doesn't mean I should either."


So, this raises my question.
Is taking five seconds out of your time to help someone slavery? I mean, we didn't ask her to travel the world to come help me. We had good intentions, at first, anyways. I know a certain many of us have come to World of Warcraft to escape MMOs that have Nazified jobs, like FFXI, but is asking for a raise all too much trouble? You picked to play a job primarily focused on healing and the helping of others.

It kinda is your job.

Feedback welcome~ (If you read this story-like post, award yourself a cookie)

*"The Team" refers to The Alliance of Thunderlord, which we envision as a force storming through enemy lines to save their members from horde spawn campers.

Sadly, our sixties would rather stare at auction houses and touch themselves than help others. Or my favorite argument I've heard is, "If it doesn't benefit me, why should I do it?" Why?

For all that is manly and right. That is why. There is no other reason. I'd rather mow down that single horde chasing down that poor little lowbie than get fifty kills in battle grounds. Oh sure, you can be spoon-fed HKs, or, you can go out and earn them.

Edited, Wed Mar 1 04:19:28 2006 by Stiltzy

Edited, Fri Mar 3 00:06:05 2006 by Kaolian

Khellis: "I want you to ressurect my friend, please."

Id have put Khellis on my ignore list right after that comment.

eh, if I was standing right on top of the guy, I wouldn't mind giving him a rezz at all (wouldn't ask for anything other than a thank you, at that). It's when someone wants to drag me all the way across the map to do THEM a favor that I get a tad pissy.

K

I agree, I try and rez people if I'm not involved in something especially given the guys issues with getting stuck.

I agree the guys was an asshat, and when he finally did rez you....you were just as big of asshat and stiffed him your promised payment.

At the same time, it does not obligate you to help. This is a problem in the laws of the United States; the reason people arne't helped more often is because if something went wrong because you helped (never mind that a situation was just as bad before), the person helping is responsible. It is better to not help at all, in the US at least.

But still, the OP wasn't exactly the nicest guy.



Heh... you're surprised? It usually takes at least three for a GM to get back to me... more if it's peak time.



If you are not on an RPPVP server, this is kind of sick. I don't care what kind of asshattery people pull, an attitude like this just isn't normal.





I think that sums it up. You didn't pay the priest, because you had to wait 10 minutes for a service that she was not obligated to give. You waited for two hours for a GM, but you're still paying Blizzard to play. I think your priorities are wrong, your morals out of whack, and that you need an attitude adjustment.

Not everyone looks at the game as you do. The golden rule of "Do Unto Others" does NOT apply here. You have no idea how others would like to be treated, or how you are mistreating them.



It is quite possible that they picked a Priest to face-melt in BGs. Or because their guild needed one. Or any number of reasons. The odds that they picked their class to run around helping people send them random whispers is very slim.



Note the first sentence: YOU envision yourselves as such. You can envision whatever you want... but it gibes you no right to project your visions upon others. Who is the real "****"? Of course the sixties would rather stare at the Auction House; our real politicians would rather make money than go to war as well. Are they wrong to do so? It can be debated, but in the end, who are you to judge? At least when you decide to go to war it makes no difference.

Again, note the last paragraph. "For all that is manly and right." What is right to you is NOT necessarily right to another person. Stop projecting your own feelings onto them! If you like Horde-bashing, great! Go for it! Some people don't like it, strange as it may seem to you. You had bad luck, and it happens. For you to say others are wrong, to wish them and their families and future children harm, to insult, and then rip off, another member of "The Team"... you're the jerk here. Not the priest.

By the way, why would the woman want to be "manly"? This is just the final example of how out of whack the OP's thinking and philosophy are.


On the plus side, I liked how the story was written; it was a good sight more creative than many posts here.

Interesting approach. Khellis is asking Aelan to do a paid for service, when Aelan states that she requires upfront payment Khellis question the persons trustworthiness (which was probably perceived as an insult) and instead state that Aelan must trust Khellis.

Is there any specific basis on which Aelan should trust Khellis more than Aelan can trust Khellis? I think not. If you intend to do business in Warcraft by claiming that you are trustworthy while implying or accusing others of being deceitful then you will soon find yourself on many ignore lists.



And this is where after being resurrected you break the deal, ***** the healer over and then come on this forum and make out like YOU are the victim. Absolutely pathetic.

interesting...

OP.. well here's several things I see...

firstly the priest in question was being a bit of a jerk.. quite a bit.. though in all honesty you got lucky she responded at all. My first reaction to random tells from people I don't know when playing my priest is simple:

Ignore it, they'll go away..

so you were lucky to get any dialogue at all...

she asked for payment in advance for something YOU requested... you're the one needing help not her so you should have forked over the money right then and there and it would have VERY likely saved a lot of hassle...

However by NOT forking over payment after getting a rez you really trashed any idea that you're such an honorable person and did the very thing most priest expect people to do.. which is the very reason most priest don't answer random tells at all..

so congratulations on living up to the stereotype and perpetuating the very problem you gripe about.

I stopped reading there. Anyone who ******* because it's two hours later, has no freaking clue about much of anything I am guessing.

I find this thread curious.

From my perception of the OP's attitude, it seems he thinks that he is owed service by other people that are busy trying to play the game. IMHO, nobody is obligated to help other players, regardless of class. The only exception to this is when you are in a group, and everyone is expected to perform a certain role in that group.

The OP started off well enough, as has been said already. However, he lost my sympathy vote at:

Specifically, the bolded part suggests to me that the OP feels that anyone that doesn't rush to his aid after a request for a rez is a little *******. Even if there were priests or Druids in the area, they aren't obligated to drop what they're doing (quests, instances, etc.) to help anyone. It's up to their discretion.

The OP went downhill from there.


Accuse me ofbeing overly politically correct, but this is in extremely poor taste. It's a comment between two people that know each other, but I'd even tell my own friend that that kind of comment is not acceptable to me.

Although I see you suggest your friend politely asked for a rez according to your story, the tone of his comment would suggest a different scenario. If he said:

Khellis: "You can ressurect, right?"
Aelan: "Yeah, so?"
Khellis: "I want you to ressurect my friend."

I think that sounds more in character. I would decline a rez as well if I saw that. That's not asking. That's telling. If someone says "Sorry to bother you, but could you rez my friend please?", most Priests I've spoken to have obliged, and declined money. Of course, your friend could have asked nicely first and then turned into a monumental prick afterwards, but I think you're skewing his conversation to garner more sympathy. After all, unless you were reading what he typed, you can't see exactly what he /whispered. If you say you saw the conversation later, I'd be interested in seeing the screenshot.

Added to that, if the Priest came over your corpse and didn't rez you, that sounds like he or she was being an asshat for a reason. If someone doesn't want to rez because they're busy, then they ignore the request. If they're coming over to your dead body and wasting their own time by not rezzing you, they're making a point. That further reinforces the possibility that your friend was an asshat first, and the Priest was not rezzing you just to spite him.

Now, another thing that confuses me:




If she was right on top of your body when your friend first asked for the rez and she declined, and then was still on top of your body when you asked, why did you have to lead her to your body? I'm starting to smell bull.


You're both pretty low pieces of shit at this point. No need to explain why- it speaks for itself.


At this point, I'm positive you knew you had no intention of paying for a rez. The fact that she was an asshat to you only allowed you to try to justify it.

I'm usually more literate than this, but for now I'll break it down so you can understand: GFY, ESAD and GTFO.

Edited, Wed Mar 1 09:10:42 2006 by Wondroustremor

I skimmed it, so my comment doesn't count if there were two priests.

If it was the same priest the whole time who was just standing on the corpse from the beginning.

They deserved everything they got and him being rude in return wasn't exactly right, but the priest had it coming.

That would have put my hackles up as well. Yes, there's a please in there, but it's not asked all that nicely. It's like it's thrown in as an afterthought. If he would have said "Could you please ressurect my friend? He's stuck in ghost form and can't get a GM response." That would have probably gotten you help with no problem.

this is incredibly incredibly funny, a similiar situation just happened to me yesterday. now im a bit of a newb, so dont laugh.
i was doing a DM run yesterday with my lvl 19 lock, 23 rogue, 21 priest, 23 mage, and 60 warrior. well im the lowest lvl, so the warrior told me to stay in the back and dont aggro. simple enough. one of the rogues went down the wrong tunnel, and we left him behind; then he comes running back to us dragging 5 or 6 guys. Hes screaming help and the big guy is out front clearing a path, so i figured id help. my voidwalker is very good at getting aggro off others...well he got like 3, and i got 1. he died and i had a 4vs1, of course i died. the priest in our party was healing the lvl 60 warrior, which i can completely understand. anyway they all run back to where i am and clear it out, and the priest says "i thought he told you to stay back newb." i of course replied, "i was in the back." the priest told me to come back when i learn how to play the game, and REFUSED to rez me. thankfully, the lvl 60 was a guild member, so needless to say his DM run didnt go much further.

mabe its just me, but this i the 3rd priest that ive had a rather unpleasant expierence with. they all seem like asshats. on another run, i asked a priest for a heal, and he replied "use a healthstone".....wtf? why would i waste a healthstone when he can fully heal me in less time than i could make one?

i hate the 6 year old kids that get on a powertrip by playing this game.

weird though, i had to take a trip to ashenvale, had no idea where it was, and a troll priest (im NON-pvp) actually took me there.....go figure that one out. the horde priests are friendlier to me than the alliance ones.

Alliance priests are generally asshats, which means theyre probably Catholic.

There are many posts here that I agree with, but the one thing that sums up my reaction to the OP is Wondroustremor's signature:



Why you're wrong starts with your title:
"Doing your JOB is slavery"

My job has nothing to do with my game.
The fact that I chose Priest, Shaman, Druid, Paladin, does NOT mean that I'm your personal healer/rezzer.
When I'm soloing, I'm not obligated to do a ******* thing to anyone. I might do something out of compassion/boredom/kindness but you can bet your *** that if you don't ask politely you won't even get a level 1 flash heal from me.
Even if you turn out to be the world's most polite person, there's a big chance that I might not move all the way from Booty Bay to Nesingwary's camp to rez you (small practical example of long distances in the same area, hell, I prefer to COD someone the page they want rather than walk that distance to trade it to them). Accept that, don't expect anything from anyone. The world (of warcraft or the real one) doesn't owe you anything.

Besides, no matter what your situation was, you defaulted on an agreed payment for a certain service. This right there is called scamming, and if the priest had wanted to post a ticket with your name on it, he'd have cost you considerably more than 5g, namely 3 days suspension. (Am I wrong here? Scamming is mentioned in the ToS, but is it a 72 hour suspension penalty?)

Add to this :
"Rape"
"Burning children"
"Cancer"
"Children are **** raped by *****"

And I'm suddenly glad you're not on MY server, smacktard.