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#1 Oct 13 2005 at 2:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Hacked/stolen accounts and the way Blizzard handles this issue

Dear Blizzard,

Last Sunday my friend came to the conclusion his account was hacked - stolen - due the already know Trojan from the adbanner at : http://wow.allakhazam.com/.
So he tried to contact you guys in every possible way to ensure that his account get secured before some hacker or buyer logs on to do damage to his character and all the items and gear he obtained in the +1500 hours he invested in this game. So we messaged a GM ingame, we requested a lockdown of the account and we got this reply : " you have to contact us by phone instead of ingame.... ". Well, for your information, our friend tried and apparently customer support is closed during the weekends. So we messaged a GM ingame again and this time another GM reported he was not allowed to discuss account information. We got the impression the GM locked down the account though.

So a day passes by and its Monday morning. Guess what? Our friends character is roaming around in AH and is actually selling stuff! The entire guild spammed over the character and in the end we get a reply from the individual behind the monitor : "I buys this account". Apparently the character has been sold within 24 hours by the hacker. Our friend directly called customersupport that morning. He got someone from support on the phone who literally said he couldnt do anything about it. Unbelievable! We urged our friend to call again and demand an explanation for this unorganized mess. He got the same guy on the phone telling him this time that he has to report that his account has been hacked by sending a mail to another emailaddress. When our friend asked why this customersupport dude didnt tell him that in the first place, he was met with the answer that this guy didnt understood the seriousness of this problem.

Later that day our friend called again to gain more information about what Blizzard was going to do about this and the same guy told him that they prolonged the time the database saves all transactions, so that he will get every item and gold back when the account is restored to him. Furthermore he was informed that they did not lockdown his account because they want to investigate the actions of the character. In the meantime we contacted a GM again and requested a lockdown of the account. This time our request was fullfilled by this understanding GM and the account is frozen. And now our friend waits and waits, and days passes by, without any confirmation or any form of contact by Blizzard.

With over 4 million customers making use of the product Blizzard sells, I find it unacceptable that customers like us do not get the proper service we are entitled to. Its not the fact that Blizzard cannot immediately take action towards hackers or individuals using hacked accounts, but its the fact that GM's and customersupport does not inform the customers correct and send them from one supportdesk to another. The fact that Blizzard US extended their customersupportlines over the weekend to deal with this issue is good. What does Blizzard Europe do to meet the customers who are facing the same problem? Not even a single post at your frontpage to direct the customers to the proper department to handle this matter.

Where is Blizzard to prevent that hackers can do whatever they want with stolen characters, selling items to other players who are unaware of the fact that it is sold by thiefs? Incompetent GM's who dont take their work seriously and don't offer the support customers request. The GM's did not inform us clear and sound about what we could do and what Blizzard could do about this unfortunate situation. Incompetent is what it's called.

The GM's did NOT refer to : http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowgm/?id=agm01889p.

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When an account is reported or its security appears to have been compromised, the World of Warcraft Customer Support Staff will disable access to the account while we conduct an investigation.

The first 2 GM's were not able to lock down the account from their position, but they are able to do so when someone violates the code of conduct. So it seems a report of accound hacking and a request to lockdown an account is not as important to your GM's compared to violations of code of conduct. I may assume that GM's should have the knowledge or at least the right procedures written down to handle these kind of situations properly. If not, than take a good look in your organization and educate the employee responsible for managing and informing GM's. A bunch of amateurs compared to other companies which make millions a month.

This whole issue is treated very poorly. Lack of information, lack of support, lack of understanding apparently. While customers invest literally hundreds even thousands of hours in the game-experience you offer, your crew fails to understand the seriousness of this matter. At this very moment hundreds of your customers are left in the dark waiting and waiting for you to take care of business and some insurance that every hour and effort they invested in their characters wont go down the drain.

Just another customer,
Magallian - Sunstrider


Edited, Thu Oct 13 04:07:13 2005 by Magallian
#2 Oct 13 2005 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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With over 4 million customers making use of the product Blizzard sells, I find it unacceptable that customers like us do not get the proper service we are entitled to.


I think your answer is right here.
Blizzard hasnt got enough personell too solve everything in 1 day, nor can you demand that from them. I dont think there is a companys customer service anywhere in the world that can give the service this dude demands.
People are so impatient...

Bottom line is if your account got hacked you get it back! Only got too wait 2 weeks before you get it back. And i cant feel sorry for the dude, since he doesnt do anything to protect his computer, or else he wouldnt have gotten the trojan.
Its like having unprotected *** with a stranger and then cry when you get aids from it.
So he can take the 2 week waiting time as a lesson but all he does is ***** and moan.

Not a shred of sympathy here...

Edited, Thu Oct 13 06:01:47 2005 by Sjans
#3 Oct 13 2005 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
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Magallian, is that your name in game? What server do you play on?

Please tell me, so that I can report to a GM that your account is really my friend's account and that someone hacked it, and I want it locked down while Blizzard conducts an investigation. Does that sound okay?

No, of course not!

If the GM was willing to comply with your request, then there would be a million of others out there who would report gankers as their friend's account being stolen and get them locked up for a few days/weeks/whatever! That'll teach them to gank me! Now you can't play!

I think the GM took appropriate action in this case. His hands were tied. He could not do anything other than refere you to where to go and who to talk to.

Sad to say, but it IS your friend's fault for getting a trojan. And I'll bet you six months of game play that your friend did not get a trojan from anything on allakhazam. (Including ad-banners.)

If some sort of spyware catching device is reporting allakhazam as producing a trojan, then it's probably because the trojan is activated when you're browsing the internet (not just alla.)

By the way, which spyware catching/cleaning device did you use to verify that your friend caught a trojan from this website? And what exact version is it?
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#4 Oct 13 2005 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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This is a awful story and I would hate to be in that position.

Unfortunately accounts will be compromised and this will happen again. Mistakes have been made on all sides.

when mistakes are made we should seek to learn from them. What seems most clear here is that there was no clearly defined and well known procedure for reporting an account has been hacked.

I am sure there are procedures for this but they need to be well publicised internally and externally. The procedure should be very similar to losing a credit card and there should be a 24x7 facility.

when I heard that the GMs wanted to observer account activity for a while in order to help their investigations - that sounds fairly reasonable - if it is necessary - it's a well know methodology similar to setting up a chrooted environment or cage.

If the guy who got hacked was aware of this he may not have been as worried. It seems to me the reason the OP was so infuriated was really because he didn't know what was happening at any point and lacked confidence that the issue would be resolved to a satisfactory conclusion - and I must add - that given the support I have generally seen - neither would I have had any confidence.

It is not helpful to particularly blame the guy who got hacked for not running the laters spyware - firewall - virus detection. Many Blizzard players are not particulary au-fait with this technology and never will be.

Blizzard have provided a great game and they have been promoted to the "Premiership". They need to ensure that they play like a Premiership Team or risk relegation.

There are great challenges for them to overcome (both technically and culturally) and they are not trivial. Do they have the players who can defend the goal - score goals - only time will tell. If they cannot up their game then I am afraid they need to consider doing what any team does when it gets promoted.


Good luck to Blizzard and sorry for the OPs story - it can't have been fun.

#5 Oct 13 2005 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Kesshi wrote:
Magallian, is that your name in game? What server do you play on?

Please tell me, so that I can report to a GM that your account is really my friend's account and that someone hacked it, and I want it locked down while Blizzard conducts an investigation. Does that sound okay?


QFT!!!
#6 Oct 13 2005 at 7:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kesshi,

You saw this right? It can had here!

Trojan Virus Alert
This only applies to you if you are running an older version of Internet Explorer, have not updated windows with the latest security patches and do not have virus protection on your computer. Apparantly one of our ad providers was affected by a trojan and was serving it to our site for several days last weekend. This is a keylogger and could possibly compromise your game login and password. As soon as we discovered it, we pulled all of their ads.

To see if you got the trojan, go to Program Files/Internet Explorer in your directory and look for a file named "syssmss.exe". If it is there, then open your task manager and delete the file. Also go to %WIN_DIR%\Downloaded Program Files and delete a file named either ************************ or "muma.exe". Then once you have done that, log into the game and change your password. In fact, change every password for every place you have typed since you got the trojan.

There are also several online sites that scan your computer for free.

http://www.windowsecurity.com/trojanscan/
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

We apologize for this. In 6 years of running this site, nothing like this has ever happened. It kills me to think that we may have, even inadvertantly, caused anyone to have their account compromised. We're all about making the games better and more fun. Believe me, we will do everything in our power to make sure it does not happen again.

Along with the advertiser who sent this, and in cooperation with the FBI, we are attempting to track down the people who sent this. I hope I get a few minutes in a back room with the bastards.
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#7 Oct 13 2005 at 7:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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hmm well considering I've been coming to this site for years and have yet to get a single virus.. I'm marginally skeptical..

however I do have a premi...

REGARDLESS

A) run a virus scanner always (in short GET AVG cause norton is crap)

B) update it

C) do NOT use Internet Explorer, Get FireFox, Get SlimBrowser, get SOMETHING else...

D) if you TRULY worry about your websurfing needs and hacking.. buy a Mac. I bought a little iBook and transferred ALL of my financial related web browsing to it. Bill pays, ordering things like DVD's etc, it's all done on my Mac.. At last count the number of viruses for Mac OS was somewhere between 1 and 5, and at least one of those was a labratory "proof of concept" project being done by an antivirus company and Apple went after them and had that project shut down.

Edited, Thu Oct 13 08:20:13 2005 by Iaini
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#8 Oct 13 2005 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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It is not helpful to particularly blame the guy who got hacked for not running the laters spyware - firewall - virus detection.


99.99% of the virusses and trojans can be stopped by having a firewall and virusscanner installed and updated, and update your OS and browser regurly. Doesnt require any technology savvyness at all, you just install a free firewall + virusscanner and leave autoupdate on all the programs.
Lazyness and carelessness is what caused this to happen not ignorance.
If you know how to roll on a condom you can secure your computer.

So imo the dude himself is careless and lazy and got his account stolen, and now gets uber pissed when Blizzard doesnt provide him with Superman quality service. I thinks thats hypocrite.

And you want a WoW account to have the same level of service as an credit card? Thats really wierd... Since they can roll back individual accounts. And you pay for a stolen credit card (through the nose mostly) and you do not pay extra for a stolen account.

I tried to search on the mainsite how too retrieve a lost account and 4 mouseclicks later i had a page in front of me that told me the procedure. And GM's are there primarely to solve ingame issues so its not that strange they dont know the ins and outs of stolen accounts.

Edited, Thu Oct 13 09:01:20 2005 by Sjans
#9 Oct 13 2005 at 8:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I see some of you apparently did not read all my words, so I shall quote some stuff i mentioned in my post :
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Its not the fact that Blizzard cannot immediately take action towards hackers or individuals using hacked accounts, but its the fact that GM's and customersupport does not inform the customers correct and send them from one supportdesk to another. The fact that Blizzard US extended their customersupportlines over the weekend to deal with this issue is good. What does Blizzard Europe do to meet the customers who are facing the same problem? Not even a single post at your frontpage to direct the customers to the proper department to handle this matter.


I am not requesting Blizzard to deal with hackers and solve the issue for the customers which account has been hacked within 24 hours! No no no, I urge them to have GM inform the players correct and give the proper feedback. Their customersupport should keep these players informed about the progress.

Furthermore when Blizzard US can pay the necessary attention to this issue, why cant Blizzard Europe?

Anyway, i wont deny I typed out this essay in anger. Its just frustrating for players who become victim of accounthacking. I do not expect Blizzard to get bothered by it, not at all. Its just voicing my opinion how things could have taken care off. And smart replies from guys like Sjans overhere doesnt add anything constructive to this topic.

Nuff said.
Magallian
#10 Oct 13 2005 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Magallian wrote:
Some more whining.

Nuff said.
Magallian


Yup, I feel ya man.
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#11 Oct 13 2005 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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I like Pie.
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#12 Oct 13 2005 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I like Pie.


You are reading my mind. I was just going to edit my post and add that... creepy.
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#13 Oct 13 2005 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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Im sorry Magallian but i have to agree with Sjans on this, if your not able to protect your computer against people wanting to hack,crack or just mess with you then it is your own fault.

I cant see why he would be willing to pay over £80 a year on a game but wont spend £25ish on a firewall and Anti-Virus, What program told you that he had a Trojan on his computer?

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Trojan Virus Alert
This only applies to you if you are running an older version of Internet Explorer, have not updated windows with the latest security patches


What IE is yoru friend using and why dosent he have auto-update switched on? it would have saved him alot of trouble.

Personaly his computer sounds like its a open door waiting for someone to come and take whats inside, i feel he only has himself to blame for getting hacked.

Edited, Thu Oct 13 09:33:43 2005 by JoeDono

Edited, Thu Oct 13 09:34:56 2005 by JoeDono
#14 Oct 13 2005 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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NaturalDisaster the Silent wrote:
CaptainOmelette wrote:
I like Pie.


You are reading my mind. I was just going to edit my post and add that... creepy.



It's one of the universal truths.
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#15 Oct 13 2005 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I like banana cream pie... and that's a bit scarey.
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Aerdire wrote:
I like banana cream pie... and that's a bit scarey.



So how you doin? Smiley: sly
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#17 Oct 13 2005 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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Great! Just remember, I judge my bananas on firmness and not size!
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CaptainOmelette wrote:
NaturalDisaster the Silent wrote:
CaptainOmelette wrote:
I like Pie.


You are reading my mind. I was just going to edit my post and add that... creepy.



It's one of the universal truths.


Which one? You being creepy?

Smiley: yikes
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#19 Oct 13 2005 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Aerdire wrote:
Great! Just remember, I judge my bananas on firmness and not size!



No worries then, I have plenty of Apeel Smiley: tongue
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#20 Oct 13 2005 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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NaturalDisaster the Silent wrote:
CaptainOmelette wrote:
NaturalDisaster the Silent wrote:
CaptainOmelette wrote:
I like Pie.


You are reading my mind. I was just going to edit my post and add that... creepy.



It's one of the universal truths.


Which one? You being creepy?

Smiley: yikes



Did that really need clarification? Smiley: lol
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#21 Oct 13 2005 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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And now we return you to your regularly scheduled thread hijack.... nana, back to you!!

Smiley: tongue
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JamieAzure wrote:
And now we return you to your regularly scheduled thread hijack.... nana, back to you!!

Smiley: tongue



Thank you Jamie..In other news, Is cake the new pie? Leading cake experts say yes, however this has yet to be decided as the Great Pie Vs. Cake Debate of 05 ended in a massive food fight with many casulaties on both sides. Details at 11.
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#23 Oct 13 2005 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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What was the original?

The main idea really got lost by all of us.

We jumped on the fact that they had no protection on their computer but the OP was talking about the lack of a consistent GM responses to the same issue.

Now we are back on track.

I can peel a banana with my... /slap Aerdire. Stay on track!!
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#24 Oct 13 2005 at 9:06 AM Rating: Decent
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I read a little bit of the OP.


Don't care about it. You don't have any safe guards while surfing the internet you get what deserve.


Thusly this thread is begging for a bit of fun.
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#25 Oct 13 2005 at 9:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Aerdire wrote:
What was the original?

The main idea really got lost by all of us.

We jumped on the fact that they had no protection on their computer but the OP was talking about the lack of a consistent GM responses to the same issue.

Now we are back on track.

I can peel a banana with my... /slap Aerdire. Stay on track!!



So come on Aerdire! Peel me like a grape and eat me! Smiley: lol


What's that from? Taxi? I can never remember the name of that show.
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#26 Oct 13 2005 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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That's the episode where Simka marries Latka and then goes crazy with PMS. Season #2

And not wanting to get rated down for hi-jacking... good girls don't admit to it.

I tend to agree with the OP and the only thing the GMs do seem to say with consistancy is "It is not our policy to...".

But I guess they have a lot of people, GMs, to have on the same page and that can be difficult.

Aerdire aka The Nanner Peeler
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