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Scholar
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I love WOW but there are a few things that get my panties in a bunch. One of them is HORRIBLY inflated prices at the AH (Auction House for the noobers) I blame gold buyers. How should Blizzard punish these Hooligans?
Why not throw back to the Ultima days where players would literally get put in jail for extended periods of time. You could still log in but you wouldn’t be able to leave your cell. It was public too so everyone could see that you were being punished. I thought it was great. It definitely punished the wrong doers as well as deterred future offenders. Plus it was pretty funny.
Any other creative ideas? Does this phenomon bother anyone any rumors about possible Blizzard actions to circumvent?
Discuss amongst yourselves . . .
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Kasong LVL 60 Rogue Shadowmoon
Kasong LVL 60 Rogue Shadowmoon
Gold Sellers: Perma-Ban
Gold Buyers:
-This is more grey than anything. I've seen people both temporarily banned and permanently banned for this, depending on how much gold was actually purchased... and perhaps the mood of the GM that day.
For the record, I'm for the perma-ban for both gold sellers/buyers. It just ruins the game.
Gold Buyers:
-This is more grey than anything. I've seen people both temporarily banned and permanently banned for this, depending on how much gold was actually purchased... and perhaps the mood of the GM that day.
For the record, I'm for the perma-ban for both gold sellers/buyers. It just ruins the game.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
Actually, IMO, the inflated prices at low levels (on Illidan anyway) are because high levels are rolling alts all the time and people know this. So, if you run ragefire and get some greens you can sell them at the AH for way more than they are worth.
Since they alt is being twinked, they will pay the 50s buyout on a lvl 7 peice of armor. It really only affects completely new players, and yeah it sucks.
I just don't buy those and instead use the vendor until I find some decently priced low level items.
Since they alt is being twinked, they will pay the 50s buyout on a lvl 7 peice of armor. It really only affects completely new players, and yeah it sucks.
I just don't buy those and instead use the vendor until I find some decently priced low level items.
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I reccomend a flogging. Your character is stripped and flogged to death in public by dark iron dwarves. Your corpse is displayed in the canal district of IF or the valley of strength in Org for 24 hours. You'll be allowed to rez on the next day but you get rez sickness for 15 days. All PvP rank is forfieted.
Or we could just ban their accounts, which I think is Bliz's policy.
Or we could just ban their accounts, which I think is Bliz's policy.
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Actually, IMO, the inflated prices at low levels (on Illidan anyway) are because high levels are rolling alts all the time and people know this. So, if you run ragefire and get some greens you can sell them at the AH for way more than they are worth.
Since they alt is being twinked, they will pay the 50s buyout on a lvl 7 peice of armor. It really only affects completely new players, and yeah it sucks.
I just don't buy those and instead use the vendor until I find some decently priced low level items.
Since they alt is being twinked, they will pay the 50s buyout on a lvl 7 peice of armor. It really only affects completely new players, and yeah it sucks.
I just don't buy those and instead use the vendor until I find some decently priced low level items.
You know, you make a really good point there. I've never realized how my alt buying stuff for 50s or so at the AH can help inflate the prices. In my mind, it's only 50s which is really pennies for my main...
That's definately something to think about.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
It's funny, cause I've seen some really expensive 5-12 stuff, and then level 14-20ish stuff is like 10-15 silver.
So, I don't think gold sellers are to blame for high prices on lowbie drops.
I really haven't notcied the economy at high levels being ruined or unbearable yet.
So, I don't think gold sellers are to blame for high prices on lowbie drops.
I really haven't notcied the economy at high levels being ruined or unbearable yet.
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Ok I would not like to see here what happened to the FFXI pages in regards to people buying gold/gill for in game purposes, the threads became more and more until the word (gill buying) was classed as bad as the word (motherfxxker) so lets keep these posts to a minimum
In regards to people buying gold. There is no way to stop them or even prove that they are buying the gold so there’s no point pursuing this.
In regards to the AH economy being ruined, IMO that will never happen there are various reasons for this and I will list them.
1. You cannot resell the really valuable items once they have been used
2. If you want an AH with items going for less don’t join a well established server go to a new one
3. The AH prices are going to go up naturally as more and more people are out there are farming the high level mobs. As this happens more and more items are going to be put up on the AH and more people are going to want them. Also the more alts people make the more basic items are going to be in demand so it isn’t a vicious circle if you know how to use the AH.
Anyway instead of trying to buy the gut ripper or flurry axe go out there and farm for it.
In regards to people buying gold. There is no way to stop them or even prove that they are buying the gold so there’s no point pursuing this.
In regards to the AH economy being ruined, IMO that will never happen there are various reasons for this and I will list them.
1. You cannot resell the really valuable items once they have been used
2. If you want an AH with items going for less don’t join a well established server go to a new one
3. The AH prices are going to go up naturally as more and more people are out there are farming the high level mobs. As this happens more and more items are going to be put up on the AH and more people are going to want them. Also the more alts people make the more basic items are going to be in demand so it isn’t a vicious circle if you know how to use the AH.
Anyway instead of trying to buy the gut ripper or flurry axe go out there and farm for it.
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Gareth-Albion
Gareth-Albion
My lowest alt has mining and skinning as tradeskills. I often "open up shop" in lower level zones to sell. I sell at about half of the AH price. I get insanely little response.
I once caught a guy who had sent me a tell in the AH about two hours after he turned me down on copper bars. Turns out he had bought 30 bars at more than double (almost 1g) what I would have sold him 40(40s) for. He had spent about an hour farming silver for them.
When I asked why he didn't contact me he he said he couldn't remember my char's name, which is Summons. Now if my name were something like Qutzilxolcopletle I'd understand a little. But spending double your money because you're too lazy to find a pen and paper just doesn't make sense.
The moral of this story?
As long as people are too lazy to save them selves some cash you'll never beat AH inflation.
Edited, Wed Jun 22 11:22:14 2005 by fortnight
I once caught a guy who had sent me a tell in the AH about two hours after he turned me down on copper bars. Turns out he had bought 30 bars at more than double (almost 1g) what I would have sold him 40(40s) for. He had spent about an hour farming silver for them.
When I asked why he didn't contact me he he said he couldn't remember my char's name, which is Summons. Now if my name were something like Qutzilxolcopletle I'd understand a little. But spending double your money because you're too lazy to find a pen and paper just doesn't make sense.
The moral of this story?
As long as people are too lazy to save them selves some cash you'll never beat AH inflation.
Edited, Wed Jun 22 11:22:14 2005 by fortnight
That is a valid point, Iamadam. While I don't condone buying gold, the inflated prices actually help, I think. I started a an orc shaman on pvp server and at level 26, he has 70 gold now with probably another 5~7 gold in stuff on ah, right now. Granted this is my 2nd alt so i know the economy (well, the whole game) a little better. But i think if a new player pays a little attention and thinks a little bit, he can make some money (probably milking it from jackasses who paid for the gold) I made a post about this a while ago that got a little attention..
(after 15 minutes...)http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21&mid=1117664375158376306&num=9
(after 15 minutes...)http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21&mid=1117664375158376306&num=9
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I reccomend a flogging. Your character is stripped and flogged to death in public by dark iron dwarves. Your corpse is displayed in the canal district of IF or the valley of strength in Org for 24 hours. You'll be allowed to rez on the next day but you get rez sickness for 15 days. All PvP rank is forfieted.
Or we could have trolls skin them alive in public, on top of the Auction House where they inflated prices. Their corpse is then hung from the nearest tree, where various wolves get to march into town and munch on them a bit. This is after they get tarred, feathered, and paraded through the streets, of course.
Oh, and they're permanently banned, and should they try to log in, they only get to watch their characters corpse get munched on and beaten.
I've never seen so many dead hookers!
Caznode - <G for Guild> - Ysera
Caznode - <G for Guild> - Ysera
I agree there's little to be done, but if it's something that really tic's you off it's fun to think about all the mean and nasty ways you could punish them in game. That's really all I thought this thread was. Didn't expect it to be a solution to anything.
Skinned alive is always good and the random wolves coming in to chew on you is a nice touch. =D
Maybe we could have them drawn and quarted by their own epic mount.
Edited, Wed Jun 22 11:36:04 2005 by fortnight
Skinned alive is always good and the random wolves coming in to chew on you is a nice touch. =D
Maybe we could have them drawn and quarted by their own epic mount.
Edited, Wed Jun 22 11:36:04 2005 by fortnight
Part of the reason i'm looking forward to leveling on a pvp server (besides almost killing a level 30 hunter with my 26 shaman last nite) is killing gold gold sellers when i see em. Or just any alliance that are out farming... ;)
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While I don't condone buying gold, the inflated prices actually help, I think.
But how can inflated prices actually help? Having to build up an inventory of gold is just another thing a newbie to WoW would have to do before he/she can actually enjoy the game.
Like you said, a person can learn the economy and work it to his/her advantage. But it just ends up being another obstacle for someone who wants to just get out there and play... kindof reminds me of FFXI...
On a side note, I love your avatar DodoBird. Goooooo Planet!.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
AH's over rated anyway.
I have very rarely used it myself. You can get by just fine with dropped item, crafted items and quest items for the most part of the game... and once you reach a certain level, there's nothing good on the AH anymore aside from those rare epic that are sold way to high because they're purple and crafting materials.
It seems obvious to me that the inflation comes from people making alts. Items from the 10-20 Range have the same prices as item in the 20-30 and even the 30-40 range in some case. The AH's a lot more useful to make money of people then to outfit yourself.
I have very rarely used it myself. You can get by just fine with dropped item, crafted items and quest items for the most part of the game... and once you reach a certain level, there's nothing good on the AH anymore aside from those rare epic that are sold way to high because they're purple and crafting materials.
It seems obvious to me that the inflation comes from people making alts. Items from the 10-20 Range have the same prices as item in the 20-30 and even the 30-40 range in some case. The AH's a lot more useful to make money of people then to outfit yourself.
Scholar
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1. You cannot resell the really valuable items once they have been used
good point
I know what you mean about people being too lazy to farm. However I use the AH to buy mats for my trade skill.
Edited, Wed Jun 22 11:40:46 2005 by casualnathan
If you ever reach total enlightenment while you're drinking a beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose.
Kasong LVL 60 Rogue Shadowmoon
Kasong LVL 60 Rogue Shadowmoon
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I have very rarely used it myself. You can get by just fine with dropped item, crafted items and quest items for the most part of the game... and once you reach a certain level, there's nothing good on the AH anymore aside from those rare epic that are sold way to high because they're purple and crafting materials.
Agree, I was going to say, I never use the AH to buy anything, just to sell stuff, to me theres really no point whats the point a buying a staff that does 3 points extra DPS for 4 more lvls or a shoulder pad that has 4 more armour andd a extra +2 to int. The only thing I've spend gold on is my mount training and mount. could be why I have so much gold.
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The AH prices are going to go up naturally as more and more people are out there are farming the high level mobs.
By any standard of logic that is the wrong way round. The greater the supply of items the lower the price due to competition. If there are 15 of an item on it won't command the same price as if there are only 2.
I play on a low and a high pop server and the high pop has the lower prices.
What does drive things up as has alrady been said is twinking alts. I just paid nearly a gold for a level 15 blue. Sure in 5 levels it will be only average and it will be replaced. But I don't care. The cash is irrelevant to the fun of seeing my little paladin smacking troggs with it
On the high pop server (Euro Silvermoon) greens mostly fail to sell at almost any level while a blue dogturd would readily go for 10g.
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What does make me wonder is when I see 1 linen cloth on for 100g or similar. On a normal AH that seems to me to be an obvious gold sale and presumably detectable automatically. (Obviously at Gadgetzan it might be a cross-faction transfer). I'd like to see those looked into and if it turns out that the buyer is consistently the same account then further investigation could be done into IP etc. Banning of both accounts seems sensible.
Edited, Wed Jun 22 12:17:06 2005 by Cobra101
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Iamadam the Wise wrote:
Gold Sellers: Perma-Ban
Gold Buyers:
-This is more grey than anything. I've seen people both temporarily banned and permanently banned for this, depending on how much gold was actually purchased... and perhaps the mood of the GM that day.
For the record, I'm for the perma-ban for both gold sellers/buyers. It just ruins the game.
Gold Buyers:
-This is more grey than anything. I've seen people both temporarily banned and permanently banned for this, depending on how much gold was actually purchased... and perhaps the mood of the GM that day.
For the record, I'm for the perma-ban for both gold sellers/buyers. It just ruins the game.
i would support a perma-ban for buyers if there was a way to prove it. as for ALL sellers they need not only a perma-ban, but a perma IP block, automatic deletion of accounts and all data with zero possibility of any kind of access via registration again.
sadly that is not possible, but boy it would be nice.
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i would support a perma-ban for buyers if there was a way to prove it.
It's actually quite simple to prove that someone bought gold:
1. Find gold seller.
2. Ban gold seller.
3. Look at gold sellers logs as to who he/she has ever given gold to.
4. Ban people who received gold for nothing.
Reasoning: If a known gold seller gives you a large amount of gold for nothing (in the game) then you obviously bought it.
It's just like how the police go through client lists for people who sell black boxes (to steal cable/satellite signals etc.).
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
I think the high AH prices come more from the lack of character advancement once you hit 60. Really, there isn't much to do other than make money or hunt for gear improvements.
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I dont agree with that, I gave a friend of mine 900g for his epic mount because he is and allways has been a bum. I did offcourse not recieve any money for this because I have know the guy since I was 4 year old. I also gave some other friend money for their normal mounts. So I have given out quite some money to some different people wich would get me marked as a gold farmer. I only got lucky with a few epics so I had a lot of money wich I could share with friends. So your method is not acceptable in my eyes.
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Bazz - LVL 50 Rogue Skullcrusher
And then my 1000 alts =P
Bazz - LVL 50 Rogue Skullcrusher
And then my 1000 alts =P
bazziek wrote:
I dont agree with that, I gave a friend of mine 900g for his epic mount because he is and allways has been a bum. I did offcourse not recieve any money for this because I have know the guy since I was 4 year old. I also gave some other friend money for their normal mounts. So I have given out quite some money to some different people wich would get me marked as a gold farmer. I only got lucky with a few epics so I had a lot of money wich I could share with friends. So your method is not acceptable in my eyes.
But you're missing a key part of my steps:
Iamadam wrote:
1. Find gold seller.
There is no gold seller to be found anywhere in this story, therefore there is no gold buyer.
I never said just pick people who have large amounts of gold or who transfer large amounts, I said start with the gold seller himself and find his customers from there.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
People! can we get back to describing distressing things happening to peoples characters when they log in please? That was way more fun even if it was pointless.
Fed to kobolds as a peace offering perhaps?
Fed to kobolds as a peace offering perhaps?
Gold Sellers - Ban them.
Gold Buyers - Take their gold from them, it is punishment enough wasting $30+
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Edited, Wed Jun 22 15:15:13 2005 by Amedis
Gold Buyers - Take their gold from them, it is punishment enough wasting $30+
Edit: Spelling
Edited, Wed Jun 22 15:15:13 2005 by Amedis
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Gold Buyers - Take their gold from them, it is punishment enough wasting $30+
Heh, true...
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