Rules for duelling?Follow

Well. I don't think it's acceptable using potions in a duel.

I play as Druid. If I duel a well equipped warrior my level, start in caster, debuff and then go to dire bear, I usually lose with him having more than 30% life left...

...Unless I change back and instant heal and go back (Which most often leads to me winning, against equal leveled). I don't really have that good odds without my healing. (But WITH healing I DO win most duels).

So. Healing is a part of my build. It's not fair comparing me to a warrior if I can't be allowed to heal, in duels ALL skills should be allowed to be used. If there is an unfairness then, it's because of the way the characters are played/build.

Potions however is not a standard part of you talent tree. It's an unfair way of suprising your enemy in battle.

The solution is simple though, ask your opponent before you start. Most people will answer honestly enough. If you are duelling opposite faction well, then don't expect too much, after all, you are enemies.

Bottom line, don't use potions if it wasn't planned before the duel.

Keller.

Edited, Sat Jun 4 01:47:23 2005 by mkpenus

i get this all of the time, the way i look at it is duels are anything goes. If warriors or any class for that matter cant use health potions, then is it fair for casters to use mana potions? I have even got called on for using a rage potion. Most of the time my duels only last enough time for me to use one potion anyways whether it be a rage or health. it all goes back to the old sayin "all is fair in love and war".

priest would lose if they couldnt heal in duels that is their main skill. and I think that the best thing to do to avoid all of this it set some rules before you duel someone.

I personally will use anything in my ******* to destroy you in both a duel or PvP, and I expect the same in return. I have been called a cheater for blasting an opponent with a Bomb in a duel. Well I am an engineer, so expect to eat on bombs, shrink rays, net cannons, discombobulator rays, or whatever I have on me.

As an example I started a new rogue character and decided to take up engineering with this character as well. Having a high lvl main with lots of cash makes starting over pretty easy. So i was armed much better than the first time i began. I also mailed my new rogue enough to max out his engineering. So at lvl 14 i was at 165 engineering (gnome bonus). One afternoon I log on and I am in westfall trying to cook some boar at the little campfire when a lvl 19 rogue decked out in full defias gear with twin swords from Vancleef interrupts my cooking by challenging me to a duel without asking first.

I am lvl 15, 4 lvls below this joker who is geared to the max, but for some reason this guy annoyed me. So I accepted. As the counter counted down he stealthed to try and ambush me. Instead of stealthing in return I popped out an Exploding sheep before combat. A really nice thing about Exploding sheep is that they are a lvl 30 guardian. So the sheep had 11 lvls on this rogue. As soon as combat began and he became hostile the sheep charged and blew up in his face. This knocked him straight out of stealth. The guy must have never seen those before, cuz he just stood there asking me what the hell that was. But I was busy trying to beat the snot out of him. After a second he decided to fight back. Then I tossed Big-Bronze bomb in his face and managed to win the fight, although not by much.

He then proceeded to label me a cheater for utilizing my engineering skills against him. There was honestly no way I would have lasted more than 8 seconds against him without my tricks, and the battle still did not take more than 15 secs.

Personally, I say use everything you have in the course of a duel. If you think that potions are cheap, then you would have to ban all trade-skill items to be fair. That includes bombs, engineering trinkets, sharpening/weight stones, weapon chains, shield spikes, armor kits, the cool blacksmith trinket, potions, and lets not forget enchants.

yea i am still very new to this game but i would have to agree that it is up to you to survive by any means. The only exception to this would be when rules are setup ahead of time, then you should respect those.



I agree with this too, but then again if you challenge someone you don't know it's kind of your own fault.

The old addage goes, all's fair in love and war.

I have to agree with the anything goes consensus. Although it could be argued that using pots in duels is throwing money away I view dueling as practice for real PVP. Granted, I don't blow through pots for the majority of my duels but I won't complain if someone else does. When I'm in a real PVP fight I'm going to use each and every thing I have to my advantage. I expect my dueling opponenet to do the same when I fight them just as I expect any enemy I see to go all out. If rules are laid out beforehand, I can abide by them. Otherwise, it's free-for-all.

it should not matter if its a duel or straight PvP i will use anything that i have on my character to win. every duel i go into i always have my potions ready and my bombs armed to use in the fight.

its like going to war. in war are you not going to use your big *** bomb in the fight just because the other side doesnt have one? no your going to bomb the hell out of the other side with your bomb and be thankful that they didnt have one.

Still isn't the use of potions and other buffs also a PVP skill?
I mean that one can be really the better PVPer just because he knows what to use and when..even if he has a weaker avatar...

Otherwise we can just compare the stats for each avatar instead of duelling...

This isn't war it's a duel.

To some extent I think alchemists and engineers should be allowed to use what they can make, but really though it is sort of cheating. You using a skill people don't have access to because they chose another profession. You chose this skill probably to benefit you in PVE and PVP situations, duels aren't either of these. A duel is supposed to be a contest of your skill against your opponent, not what you can do versus what he can do.

Duels aren't about killing your opponent, you can't, they are about testing you versus another player. It's no longer a fair test if one player has a boost.

Rouge is a cosmetic, and warlocks have healthstones, which most agree are quite acceptable to use during a duel.

Potions can represent a huge advantage if used at the right time. Against members of the opposing faction there are no rules, use anything to win, potions, MC and that nice 100 meter drop, etc etc.

Still the right potion or item can completely destroy a class. Sticky glue on a rogue as a hunter, a free action potion as a melee fighting a druid or any class that uses movement limiting effects. The idea is that a well geared player, with only reagents should be able to compete in a duel without any extra costs or carrying around special items. People also tend to get mad when a paladin uses LoH or a human priest uses that massive instant heal. Still, you can always ask for a rematch following those events.

I say anything goes; use whatever tools you have on hand, whether dueling or in full-on PVP. You leveled engineering/alchemy/whatever for a reason; you should be able to use it.

Lame rules make for lame duels.

(Cheats/exploits are a no-no, however.)


Edited, Sat Jun 4 22:08:07 2005 by johnnyhammer

I'm surprised that not one person, in *any* of these "what is cheating and what isn't in duels?" threads has mentioned what a classic real life duel was!

Up until 1800 or so duels were reasonably common in Europe. When a gentleman felt he'd been offended - that his honor had been insulted - he challenged the offending gentleman to a duel. The stories say that the challenger would slap the offender across the face with a glove and challenge him to a duel.

At this point, the classic duel story says that the offender (the person challenged) has the right to pick weapons, swords or pistols. The reality was - who knows? "Seconds" were arranged - each duelist had at least one friend to back him up as a second and to protect him in case the other guy cheated.

An arbitrar or neutral party would often oversee the duel, especially if guns were used - to make things "fair". There was often a good deal of negotiation over the duel. Where they would fight, would they choose from a pair of matched swords or be able to use any sword they wanted, what clothes they would wear - and so on - although in many places customs were established for this sort of thing. And they were usually obeyed.

But duels were almost never fair. Usually one man had a clear advantage over the other, and he often brutally killed his opponent. Duels were brutal and stupid - and were finally stamped out in real life.

Note, there are no Blizzard-supplied "rules" for dueling. You all aren't even touching issues such as outside 3d party software that, say, changed weapons really fast or gives other nifty advantages.

There are no "accepted rules" for dueling in WoW. If you want rules, you'd better make them before you challenge or accept. And keep in mind, there isn't much you can do except complain if someone breaks them.

Again you have a flawed understanding. A duel is not war, so not all is fair in it. A duel is a test of skill.


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Go ahead and use your pots and engineering devices in a duel if you want. But if you can't win a duel without them then you have already lost.