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WoW plays better under Linux then WindowsFollow

#1 Apr 14 2005 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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for the last few months i have been playing WoW on a linux box via http://www.transgaming.com/ Cedega and the performance has been about the same as under windows so far as ingame FPS. few big differances that i noticed were that i was not having the lockup problems with my linux box as i was with my real powerful gaming box at home running windows XP.

that was until a few days ago i started getting such pore performance it made the game unplayable. im talking FPS of 2 when outside not looking at anything, and just forget trying to move anywere when near IF.

to solve the problem i just needed to reinstall my vid drivers so i upgraded while at it. boy i can tell you that Nvidia has done a wounderful job with thier linux drivers, it is now just as easy to install/upgrade vid drivers in linux as it is in windows. 1 program, run it, answere a few questions (NO NEED TO REBOOT) and you are done. so in a sence it is faster and easier under linux then windows as you do not have to wait on your system to reboot.

anyways onto the performance differances now. keep in mind that i dual boot this system between Debian Linux and Windows XP Pro so the hardware is 100% the same and both systems are 100% updated with the exception i refuse to run SP2 in windows, so i am running SP1 with all the patches for that.

system specs:

AMD Xp 2000+
1G PC2100 Ram
Nvidia GFX 5200 256M vid card
SBLive Values sound card
WD 7200rpm 138G 8M cache ATA133 harddrive
aDSL 1500/384 internet connection behind a Zyxel 642R router.

both run the game at 1280 x 1024 60Hz

both run with the exact same graphic settings (low level for the most part and best performance with a few exceptions)

FPS under windows: max = 35, inside IF at the AH once stable 15FPS
FPS under linux: max = 48, inside IF at the AH once stable 15FPS

so as you can see, i am not getting about a 30% BETTER performance out of linux then i am out of windows... my hat goes off to the coders at Transgaming and anyone who is sick of the crashes casued by windows, sick of the viruses you get under windows, sick of the spy/add/mallware you get under windows, you might really want to start checking out the newer Linux distros as several of them are very user friendly.

if you have any questions please ask i will do all i can to help.
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#2 Apr 14 2005 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey, i tried it on linux once. On gentoo , compiled under 64 bits, (i got amd64), it was about 1 month ago. I had huge problems to get it going. Libraries problems. I never manged to. Now i got windows box. i use it only to play WoW.

But since then there is a new version of gentoo 2005.0 for amd64 cpus, i ll give it another try again.

Its quite nice to see the frame difference
#3 Apr 14 2005 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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i refuse to run SP2 in windows

Is that because you do not a regestered copy? ......JK
Just out of curriosity, are you running WoW in windowed mode? I see noticable inmprovements when I run in Windowd mode. SP2 made a noticalbe diffrence to me, I ran my box without it for a while but due to a work realated requirment I installed SP2, not only did I see a pickup in WoW, but overall system perfromace(it is possible that changes made to RAID caching lets my SCSI card work more effectivlay, doubt it.... it is all hardware). I tryed mandarke and man WoW ran poor, but i have a ATI card and their isntaller isnt as pretty as the Nvida ones.
But Congrats, any way to make the game run better I say Woo Hoo, I will have to try a diffrent flavor of linux, and work at it a little more.
#4 Apr 14 2005 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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drzolo wrote:
Hey, i tried it on linux once. On gentoo , compiled under 64 bits, (i got amd64), it was about 1 month ago. I had huge problems to get it going. Libraries problems. I never manged to. Now i got windows box. i use it only to play WoW.

But since then there is a new version of gentoo 2005.0 for amd64 cpus, i ll give it another try again.

Its quite nice to see the frame difference


gentoo is not for the faint of heart. that is a 100% from source custom build distro. im still no were near good enough in linux to help someone with gentoo.

you might want to check out FedoraCore, SuSe, or as much as i hate to say it Mandrake as all 3 offer a 64bit OS, but i am not 100% that cedega runs on 64bit, you would have to read their FAQ first.

also with debian avoid the sarge distro and stay with woody or sid. for some reason cedega works best on those 2 out of the 3 for debian. there are some really strange issues right now with gentoo, not sure if it is the 32bit or 64bit vs distro though.

all i can say is i can not wait to be able to afford to replace my vid card on my gaming box at the house with an Nvidia card so i can be 100% linux at home, and get to know OO better so i can get rid of PageMaker here at the office and be 100% linux here too.

im down to 2 windows system out of 7 computers.
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#5 Apr 14 2005 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Capitolg wrote:
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i refuse to run SP2 in windows

Is that because you do not a regestered copy? ......JK
Just out of curriosity, are you running WoW in windowed mode? I see noticable inmprovements when I run in Windowd mode. SP2 made a noticalbe diffrence to me, I ran my box without it for a while but due to a work realated requirment I installed SP2, not only did I see a pickup in WoW, but overall system perfromace(it is possible that changes made to RAID caching lets my SCSI card work more effectivlay, doubt it.... it is all hardware). I tryed mandarke and man WoW ran poor, but i have a ATI card and their isntaller isnt as pretty as the Nvida ones.
But Congrats, any way to make the game run better I say Woo Hoo, I will have to try a diffrent flavor of linux, and work at it a little more.


its a legit Corp edition so that is not the problem. my issues with SP2 are all the things that get broke when it is installed. that and i personally HATE MS telling me what to do and not be able to remove some of the funcitons of SP2 like their horrid autoupdater, if you disable this you get crashing problems. heck its bad enough running SP1 with it disabled let alone under SP2.

see my last post, i am not a fan of MDK. the 1 and ONLY time i have been successful at even getting it to install it ate it self when i get it to upgrade (took about 2weeks to connect to their update server), so i have not used it since.

the FC line is very much like RH9 and i had great luck with that, and i know a handful of poeple having good luck with SuSe both home and Pro so it is worth checking out.

you can even do a Knoppix live CD install of debian onto a system now and it will handle a dual boot for you too. very nice. easier then learning the CLI and installing Debian raw from an ISO.
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#6 Apr 14 2005 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
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sorry for double post. allah was wiggin on me.

Edited, Thu Apr 14 16:44:10 2005 by Singdall
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#7 Apr 14 2005 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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The unregesterd copy thing was a joke ;), I will have to try a SuSe install when i get home. I got a few boxs that will handle Wow, will have to see how it works, but I still dont have any issues with XP, my Main box has been up since early Feb with no crashes, no restarts.
#8 Apr 14 2005 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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i have no issues with XP either except that it is windows and that means i have to run a bunch of 3rd party apps that eat up my system resources to keep it semi secure from the internet:

antivirus software
3 different spyware remover/blockers
pop-up stoppers
3rd party browser (Firefox is my choice on all OSs)
3rd party apps to defrag properlly (Diskeeper is my choice)
Firewall (either software or hardware, i run behind hardware)

all of that just to hope and pray i do not get a nasty virus or something that can cause havoc with my computer and or network.

those are true no matter what MS OS you run. win95, win98, winME, win2k, winXP, win2k3 you still have to deal with the above to keep the system both running clean, fast, efficient, and semi secure.

if you know how to do that, then it is like second nature and you do not think much of it any more. i know i do not think much of it except when i get highered to clean out someone elses system who knows NOTHING about protecting themself from themself. then i try to convert them to linux *grins* and often times will depending on what they do with it.

winXP is one of the greatest gaming platforms in the world without a doubt. that is really all it is truely good at.
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#9 Apr 14 2005 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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FPS under windows: max = 35, inside IF at the AH once stable 15FPS
FPS under linux: max = 48, inside IF at the AH once stable 15FPS


I didnt feel like reading anymore, but this caught my eye. Blizzard is known for writing programs for being compatable for Macs, and since all of the Mac OSs are writen on a linux backbone, as well as linux not requiring the memory and processing power of Windows, you are getting those extra framerates.
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#10 Apr 14 2005 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
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winXP is one of the greatest gaming platforms in the world without a doubt. that is really all it is truely good at.

Now you owe me a new keyboard, I was drinking coffee when I saw your reply, now I am just a mess.

I do have to moslty agree with some of what you have to say
1)I have had a hardware firewall since 1994 when I got my ISDN line, i swore to never do Software firewall ever again.

2) antivirus software ... i only run it on my redhat box, i just dont download stuff on windows platform, i pull it though a VNC connection on my windows box, then use the maped dirves of my file server to access it form inside the network.

3) Pop-up blockers, heck this is the only sight i visite that has popups, and spyware, you dirty dirty man, what did you do to get spyware(That last part is a joke :)) but I have never needed a popup blocker or spyware app.

4) Defrag tool, defrag has always worked for me(it is speed disk after all,licenced for use in MS OS's)

but the finaly is no matter what I wirte, I do agree with you. I run meny Non Windows boxes for my work and general enjoyment, but always keep one XP box up and running for games, and the occaional VB App I am asked to put togather. So you dont need any third party apps, as long as you dont Realy use the computer it is installed on, I.E. dont browse, dont Word process, dont download, just play games.



P.S. heck i run Firefox on any system, and would'nt immigine running IE, unless work makes me.
#11 Apr 14 2005 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Warlord GreatBadger wrote:
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FPS under windows: max = 35, inside IF at the AH once stable 15FPS
FPS under linux: max = 48, inside IF at the AH once stable 15FPS


I didnt feel like reading anymore, but this caught my eye. Blizzard is known for writing programs for being compatable for Macs, and since all of the Mac OSs are writen on a linux backbone, as well as linux not requiring the memory and processing power of Windows, you are getting those extra framerates.


not quite. pre newest nvidia drivers the performance was the same. 35 max and 15 low, with the newest drivers and newest vs of cedega i have been able to increase my performance.

that and i keep my windows box extreemly lean. with just the OS running i am between 90-100M of ram used, vs the base level install of 130-150M used.

also keep in mind that the cedega project (was wineX) is kind of like an emulator, but not. it creats fake calls for the DX so games can be tricked into running on a *nix platform (IIRC cedega runs on both BSD, Unix, and Linux systems), you would have to read the FAQ to get the real details on it, but it basically tricks the game/program into thinking it really is on a windows system. heck it even creats a fack C:/Program Files drive and folder setup. very neet how it does that.

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sorry about the keyboard :P

yes if you only use a windows system to play games and do not surf, do not use MS Office, you will be ok, but what good is a $2000 system if that is all you are going to do with it? *tease*

on my windows box at the house (gaming box) i run the following to keep it clean:

AntiVir (free antivirus software), plus i use my laptop to scan my windows box via f-prot
Ad-aware
Spybot S&D
Spywareblaster (yes that is all one word)
FireFox browser
Thunderbird (e-mail client)
Diskeeper (defragger that is way better then what MS supplies, not that the one for XP is horrid, but it is nothing compaired to diskeeper)
freezip (smaller and just as good as winzip for free, thus the name)
OpenOffice instead of MS Office.

thankfully only Antivir is something that has to run 100% of the time to help protect my windows box, but the rest do their job. 98% of the spyware has stopped getting into my system much thanks to no longer useing IE to browse. IE is about 70-90% of the comptuer problems that most people will have. normal EU that is.

anyways, i just can not wait to replace my ATI 9500 with a newer Nvidia card when i can afford it so i can drop windows 100% now that i can get such good performance out of cedega with nvidia drivers in WoW. WoW is really the only game that i play.
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