money is harder in eq2Follow

well as you see the value of money dropped from eq1 to eq2, i think the story was supposed to be like this... so we as norrathian have to re-builed the whole norrath world lift the economy up.

well as for now i got around 45sp, used to have more but had to buy some adabts and some armor pieces.

Diablus 18 Crusader of Freeport

Mistmoore

With 100 coins equaling a higher denomination now instead of 10, copper and silver haven't really lost value, they've gained it. If you think about it, if you have gold now in your teens and into your 20s, you have alot of money. You don't have much problem affording things (afterall, food costs a few copper a piece instead of a silver), you really shouldn't be strapped for cash unless you are splurging on unnecessary things.

Back in the first few years of EverQuest it wasnt *that* easy to make platinum. Newbie mobs didn't drop much valuable loot nor coin, and quests..eh..quests didnt give much at all. After awhile newbie mobs had their drops modified, and before ya knew it, most dropped stuff worth gold, if not a plat sometimes. Copper and silver became completely worthless, and most just destroyed it. With this new system, I'm hopin to see silver and copper retain value forever. Would be nice :)

I'm a lv18 Crusader and got about 80sp atm. It isn't that hard to make money. I didn't do any crafting; all I did was quest, quest and quest, then the money just keep coming. The point is as someone pointed out the economy hasn't inflated yet so you seem to have less amount of money now.

you cant really compare EQ 1 economy with EQ 2's. a low lvl horse cost around 2pp in EQ 2. I think you do remember how much a low lvl horse cost in EQ 1, 3kpp?

I feel earning cash in EQ 2 is easlier than EQ 1. think about this, in EQ 1, all casters(except rogues, and warriors) need to save up money for spells on every 3-4 levels. and they need to spent nearly 50pps at low lvl, around 30kpp at high lvl. depense on market price of the spells. but in EQ 2, "YOU DONT NEED TO SPENT A COPPER FOR A NEW SPELL AT ALL!". new spell pop up by itself! except you want to upgrade it, thats another story. spells is almost a must for all casters. like an enchanter without a mez spell becuase he is lag on cash, will you group with him? I wont.

Edited, Wed Nov 24 19:16:59 2004 by Cheerboy

Actually it's more like 8k but your point remains.

I kind of find the economy refreshing in EQ2. I remember back in 99' when EQ 1 went live. Even having 5 PP was near to having a king's fortune. I think as people push on to higher levels the cash will increase more and more. I made 53sp yesterday in 10hours of questing and 2 hours of killing. All in all I am really enjoying the change after 5 years playing EQ1. SO glad I am not having to sit through the same 72 man raids everynight over and over again.

Currently 3gp between 2 toons. Im saving all my money in my piggybank....every cp helps. 8D

I can see money being difficult at this early stage of the game, but dont be fooled. This can quickly change as people get higher level and the economy changes.

However, money isn't a problem so far. I'm a level 17 Cleric with nearly 2 and a half gold. Not much of that was from loot or even making things with Tradeskills. This money comes from spending a bit of time raising collecting/harvest skills and selling them on the market. When I run out of that stuff, I look at the market again, see what is really cheap and sells well (some items like food trade items sell pitifully). Then I buy up the cheap stuff and sell it higher. Playing the market so far seems to work...and I dont even have to be at the computer to do this.

But, it is not an easy task either. I wish I had more people working with me on it. The problem is, new material is being added constantly by other players and undercutting my raised prices at some points.

I do hope this commodities market becomes more stabilized and more playable. There will always be people selling low, but they really dont realize what they can actually make from these trade items.

A good example is tin. Tin is easily harvested and a good starter material. To make a pristine tin bar costs 12c if you dont pay for the tin. The merchant sells Tin Bars (not pristine mind you) for 18c. This means you have a margin of ~6copper to play around with. However, this changes because a pristine bar is more valuable than a normal bar since it allows you to create prestine finished items. So, you can tag up a pristine bar to about 20-25c depending. This gives tin a much wider birth to play with.

But you also have to consider the broker comission of 20% for the player (unless they come to your shop).

Ah well. I am done.

yea i get your point i hvae about 4.5 gp on me...im making tons of $$$$$ off harvesting,mainly mining

Well hell I just farm mobs and get loot from them and sell it all. Get some nice treasure drops. Do quests....etc etc. I have nice gear, all updated and since I'm a cleric I go for +wis as much as I can get my hands on, and as much as is not outdated for my level. I have about 1gp and 20s and some odd copper laying around.

Money in EQ2 is not neccissarily harder, its just more realistic. In EQ1, you had an economy that didn't really match a true economy because no money came out of it (at least not until several expantions in, and by then it was to late). Plus, just about every mob in EQ1 dropped cash or loot, even if it was something miniscule like rat whiskers. I forget the web site, but there were a group of players out there who had done some drop estimates in EQ1 and figured that somewhere between 1 to 1.5 million PP entered the EQ1 economy every day on every server. I'm not talking about characters making money in the bazaar, I'm talking about straight cash from mobs, gems and other sellable stuff.

The only thing that was taking money OUT were horses/drogs and the casion (and the occasional player who quit and kept all their cash). Additionally, you didn't see things like inflation. For example, as more and more money entered the game, that money SHOULD have become worth less (which could have been reproduced in the form of raising vendor prices). Even charging by the hour or day to stand in the bazaar could have made the economy better. There was no inflation in EQ1 and only a tiny percentage of the money coming in went back out again which destroyed the economy by the end of Shadows of Luclin.

In EQ2, we're seeing money drain out of the economy in the form of rent (primarily) at the very beginning of the game. Mobs also tend to drop less in terms of stuff that you can sell back to vendors. I think in the long term, we'll see an economic problem again, but for now I think things are going very well.

Making a true-to-life economic system in a game like this would have probably delayed it another several years while the programers earned their econmics degrees, but I think so far they did a good job.