...lemme clear up a couple things.
1) An object you can harvest (rock, pile of roots, school of fish, etc) is treated just like a mob spawn and is known as a node. When a node spawns it can be a random harvest object, however if its a school or array of fish, it will be in non-shallow water. A large number of newbie skillers fail to understand that if you do not harvest the fish, you will get fewer and fewer other nodes. I've zoned into Oakmyst Forest to hear folks complaining about no <insert node type here> spawning, only to go to the pond and find 16-18 fish nodes.
2) Maybe you are fed up with fishing, or your fishing skill is maxed, or maybe you dont want to fill up your inventory with useless (not) fished junk. However, be nice to yourself and your fellow skillers and run fish a node or two everytime you find a node that helps you.
3) And speaking of being nice, its consider KSing (Kill Stealing) to start harvesting a node someone else is working. Nodes are limited to 3 attempts in the lower zones. I know it angers me greatly to have someone come up and start hacking on the same log I'm working, and I end up with 1 or 2 less attempts. Just because some inconsiderate, snot nosed brat just did it to you, please try to resist the urge to do it to others.
Favorite harvest techniques:
Head to your local Ruined Forest. Zone in and head down the path toward the ruined castle. Head around the castle to the Left and harvest any nodes you come across. As you go around the castle to the left, you will cross Small Pond. Fish two(2) array of fish here. Continue all the way around the ruined castle, harvesting nodes you find. As you come back to the front of the castle, you will find Big Pond. Stop here and fish two(2) more array of fish. Continue this as long as you desire. If your inventory fills, or you find some sellables, there is a merchant at the gate where you entered. I have noted that no nodes seem to spawn on the beach behind the castle, so ignore that side trip.
A number of nodes will also spawn inside the ruins. The ruins contain a lot of agro mobs, grouped mobs, and the higher mobs of the zone. If possible, get a friend (level 20+) to run in and agro the ruins mobs and train them to the zone gate. This will clear the ruins for you for 2-3 minutes. The mobs tend to stroll back to their positions which gives you time to farm the ruins spawns.
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3) And speaking of being nice, its consider KSing (Kill Stealing) to start harvesting a node someone else is working.
I don't agree. They could have easily coded this in like they did the MOBs if that was their intention. Instead of allowing you to hit it three times and get a new item they could have set it up where you hit it once and received all three at the same time. Instead they chose to allow up to three people to hit a node at a time to keep the greedy in check.
Well it is not exactly skill stealing but i still consider it to be inpolite. I have done it once only because i ran up to one. Stood there 30 seconds and the person was not doing anything so I started to harvest and then they got mad at me. I explained what I had done and they appologized cuz they were on phone and thought I had just showed up. I do not like people who steal my nodes and most people are polite enough to not steal. I hated it in FFXI where you would have to compete for lumber and no one was polite.
The only time I would ever harvest a node someone else was using is if we both reached it at the same time. Otherwise, absolutely not.
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If we were talking about a mob and KSing I would agree. As for tradeskill nodes, you didn't pull it, it isn't locked, and doesn't belong to you. They can have as many as 4 harvests and as far as I am concerned, they are free and fair game to anyone. I have seen as many as 3 people working them at one time, this is as intended.
If you want to have proprietary feelings about 'your' nodes, you are going to spend a lot of time angry and frustrated with people. Harvesting is a massive pain in the *** as it is, and to ignore a node that someone else is standing near, might be harvesting, or is harvesting is pure foolishness. I have spent a few hours harvesting and have only once seen someone get bent out of shape about a node ownership.
If you take a step back and look at this from an objective point of view, you will find the process of running around a zone for hours looking for the next node, avoiding aggro mobs, competing with the 6 guys right behind you to click on that log first is really just a silly timesink that we are all trying to make the best of. Anyone spending any time doing this is obviously just as crazy as you are; so keep a sense of humor and don't make it into a serious competition.
KSing is not something that even belongs in a tradeskill discussion.
If you want to have proprietary feelings about 'your' nodes, you are going to spend a lot of time angry and frustrated with people. Harvesting is a massive pain in the *** as it is, and to ignore a node that someone else is standing near, might be harvesting, or is harvesting is pure foolishness. I have spent a few hours harvesting and have only once seen someone get bent out of shape about a node ownership.
If you take a step back and look at this from an objective point of view, you will find the process of running around a zone for hours looking for the next node, avoiding aggro mobs, competing with the 6 guys right behind you to click on that log first is really just a silly timesink that we are all trying to make the best of. Anyone spending any time doing this is obviously just as crazy as you are; so keep a sense of humor and don't make it into a serious competition.
KSing is not something that even belongs in a tradeskill discussion.
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I also think its not a big to deal to steal on someones node. I think it was implimented on purpose as was mentioned above. The reason for this i think, is because at higher levels, artisnas (or w/e arty class you choose) will be able to find some rare nodes perhaps and make some pretty sweet stuff. If someone manages to grab 3 items while they harvest, well thats money!!! but if someone esle steals from that same node, it sorta evens out the spoils :)
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I'm guilty of stealing nodes. ;(
But as of today I will never again steal! And that’s a necro promise!
But as of today I will never again steal! And that’s a necro promise!
I have no friends ;(
I consider it a matter of class to leave someone alone when they are harvesting a node. If someone does not grant me the same courtesy, I jot their name down and no longer avoid farming nodes that they are on.
So far on Kithicor, I have only had one person intrude on my farming. It seems to be a fairly polite server thus far. I just hope it stays that way.
So far on Kithicor, I have only had one person intrude on my farming. It seems to be a fairly polite server thus far. I just hope it stays that way.
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Wow... looks like I hit a sore spot by mentioning KSing. I've noticed though, in the 5+ years of playing, the people that spout the no camp rules and ignore the play nice rules, are the ones doing the KSing. What ever floats your boat man, we're only toons in a virtual world. Besides, I have all my skills tier 2 except trapping(35) and I'll finish that one later after all the children get out of the newbie areas.
Sam, dont get mad at me, get mad at Sony. You know exactly the point I am trying to make. Please dont use the fact a node cant be engage locked, as an Excuse to jump in on every node spawn.
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Edited, Fri Nov 19 10:57:50 2004 by Bakamon
Sam, dont get mad at me, get mad at Sony. You know exactly the point I am trying to make. Please dont use the fact a node cant be engage locked, as an Excuse to jump in on every node spawn.
<<edited to remove unnecessary rant>>
Edited, Fri Nov 19 10:57:50 2004 by Bakamon
I usually dont reply on forum topics that have the exact title that you used, but I said what the hell, because the game is so new any info is good at the moment. My first question is this:
1. So who is a newbie trader, I mean the game has been out how long? Are we going to start off like the FFXI ******* group, and call each other newbs and such, or are we playing a more grownup (for lack of a better word) game? That was the reason I switched.
2. Yes I have to agree with some posts that this is not KS. If it were, targets would be locked as mentioned above. Also I can see you maybe stating that if, MPK was being done to get your harvest points. My feelings on this are, if you can't share and coexist with others, then they have games such as Fable for you.
3. Why is it when I try to fish I catch absolutly nothing. Also are your skills directly related to where you can harvest IE: commonlands?
-"Newb Trad skiller"
1. So who is a newbie trader, I mean the game has been out how long? Are we going to start off like the FFXI ******* group, and call each other newbs and such, or are we playing a more grownup (for lack of a better word) game? That was the reason I switched.
2. Yes I have to agree with some posts that this is not KS. If it were, targets would be locked as mentioned above. Also I can see you maybe stating that if, MPK was being done to get your harvest points. My feelings on this are, if you can't share and coexist with others, then they have games such as Fable for you.
3. Why is it when I try to fish I catch absolutly nothing. Also are your skills directly related to where you can harvest IE: commonlands?
-"Newb Trad skiller"
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harvesting nodes seem pretty plentiful in EQ2.. quite unlike the harvest points in FFXI..
still I'm not a big trade skiller.. (trade skill at 3 on all characters) cause mainly I simply don't know where to even go to start or how to find materials. I'll figure it out eventually.. the fact that I haven't at this point just says it's not a big enough blip on my "things to do radar" to warrant attention.
still I'm not a big trade skiller.. (trade skill at 3 on all characters) cause mainly I simply don't know where to even go to start or how to find materials. I'll figure it out eventually.. the fact that I haven't at this point just says it's not a big enough blip on my "things to do radar" to warrant attention.
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Bakamon, no anger intended. I think my premise is that this is a shared resource, both before anyone harvests from it and during. If it can be essentially 'locked' by a harvester, I feel that this also gives credence to the concept that a particular node can be 'camped' and therefore locked, and conceivably an entire zone's nodes could be 'camped' by a guild (this came up in another thread).
I am against the idea of nodes being camped, or a zone being camped, and therefore against the idea of a node being even unofficially locked. KSing to me is about stealing someone's time; the time they spent pulling and damaging a mob, the time, hp and mana they have already used - then wasted. Taking a hit off a node someone is using costs them nothing. I would never touch or interfere with your mob but I think there is a difference with respect to these nodes.
In the end it all boils down to opinions anyway. If someone wants to put me on a list because I harvested a node, well, fine. Before the last patch, node respawn rates were terrible. There is a huge influx of lowbies all trying to get some skill-ups and components from the same nodes in the same zones. Right now, it is more a matter of being slightly aggressive to get anything or being polite and getting nothing. I expect that all this will subside as we spread out in level and zones. I also think I may have a little more of a sharing perspective since I am on Runnyeye (the 'FULL' server). We really have no choice but to share harvests and nodes because there really are 6 people right behind you trying to click first.
What I was really trying to say is this is something Sony put up as a tediuos roadblock to make crafting something not everyone will do. Since we are all in the same boat, I don't begrudge anyone taking a hit off a node I am on.
I am against the idea of nodes being camped, or a zone being camped, and therefore against the idea of a node being even unofficially locked. KSing to me is about stealing someone's time; the time they spent pulling and damaging a mob, the time, hp and mana they have already used - then wasted. Taking a hit off a node someone is using costs them nothing. I would never touch or interfere with your mob but I think there is a difference with respect to these nodes.
In the end it all boils down to opinions anyway. If someone wants to put me on a list because I harvested a node, well, fine. Before the last patch, node respawn rates were terrible. There is a huge influx of lowbies all trying to get some skill-ups and components from the same nodes in the same zones. Right now, it is more a matter of being slightly aggressive to get anything or being polite and getting nothing. I expect that all this will subside as we spread out in level and zones. I also think I may have a little more of a sharing perspective since I am on Runnyeye (the 'FULL' server). We really have no choice but to share harvests and nodes because there really are 6 people right behind you trying to click first.
What I was really trying to say is this is something Sony put up as a tediuos roadblock to make crafting something not everyone will do. Since we are all in the same boat, I don't begrudge anyone taking a hit off a node I am on.
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I also never reply to these poste it is a little hard for me cause I am French but will do my best cause I feel it is worth it.
When I am working on those nodes I could not care less if anyone
joins me. I also have been playing EQ for years now I am a nice
player NBG and I dont KS no one so I did not know what to think about when I am harvesting until today. Skills were to low so had to got to lower zone to get my skills up. I was at it for at least 2.5 hours and it was boring. I did not find it at all rude when people would join me on MY nodes cause it is not mine and I wished them the best really hope there skill went up. I could not find much to do my traping skill at 22 and need to get it at 40. Now what are you telling me if I see anyone traping I just watch them?? It is hard enough as is to lvl up the skills, now dont start to cry it is yours ,,,,today a little mousse (rat) told me to go get my own. What kind of account did you guys pay for to get such rights from Sony cause I pay for collector eddition and no one told me I had special rights so sorry little mousse I dont got no nodes with my name on it you will just have to be nice just like me and share. Now what I find rude is people that think they own anything that is not loocked and no I dont ks but nodes I share. If you guys cant share dont want no one in your way play a game on your tv then no one can be rude to you ,,,sorry if I am a little stait foward but for some reasons this ticks me off. Play the game like adults be nice and share the joy.
When I am working on those nodes I could not care less if anyone
joins me. I also have been playing EQ for years now I am a nice
player NBG and I dont KS no one so I did not know what to think about when I am harvesting until today. Skills were to low so had to got to lower zone to get my skills up. I was at it for at least 2.5 hours and it was boring. I did not find it at all rude when people would join me on MY nodes cause it is not mine and I wished them the best really hope there skill went up. I could not find much to do my traping skill at 22 and need to get it at 40. Now what are you telling me if I see anyone traping I just watch them?? It is hard enough as is to lvl up the skills, now dont start to cry it is yours ,,,,today a little mousse (rat) told me to go get my own. What kind of account did you guys pay for to get such rights from Sony cause I pay for collector eddition and no one told me I had special rights so sorry little mousse I dont got no nodes with my name on it you will just have to be nice just like me and share. Now what I find rude is people that think they own anything that is not loocked and no I dont ks but nodes I share. If you guys cant share dont want no one in your way play a game on your tv then no one can be rude to you ,,,sorry if I am a little stait foward but for some reasons this ticks me off. Play the game like adults be nice and share the joy.
I happen to agree it is 100% rude to walk up and steal a node out from under my nose. We ALL work hard to get our skills higher and anyone who walks up and just takes one of my shots at a skill incease really irks me. I have NO problem sharing them if someone asks me if they can join. It's a simple matter of "Hey can I join pls?" and I'd say "SURE!" cuz I'm nice like that. If you dont think you can type that fast then Macro it, it's not a hard concept.
I'm SO glad this has been brought up and I intend to ask SOE what they had planned for this sort of thing. IF they reply (an official reply thank you very much) that it was intended these nodes are shared then I will comply, but until such a statement is made I will continue to scold those who KS my nodes. It IS KSing in my eyes.... just like in EQ when someone walks up and takes my kill I report them. It's NEWB behavior and it is completely uncalled for. 100% rude.
Generally I ask them to stop, or I inform them I consider it rude. 4 times out of 5 the person apologizes and we end up in a nice conversation and a HELPFUL partnership sending tells to eachother about the locations of certain nodes. I have only had ONE time the person turned out to be a complete moron and had NO idea what the concept of "asking" was.... he proceeded to follow me about the zone and mined ONLY the nodes I tried to mine. Even after I told him I had no problem sharing if he'd say a simple "may I please join you" but this jackarse thought it'd be more fun to follow me around and try to get under my skin..... on a side note he was quickly slain by some nice undead fellows because he didnt pay attention to the aggro which was gray to me *evil grin*
Anyway.... if SOE would announce one way or the other I'll gladly change my opinion on it and how I treat it, as of now however I feel it is rude, and seriously is it THAT hard for you to move on if someone is already mining that node? I've NEVER started in on a node someone els is on without asking first... although one time three of us jumped on one all at the same time and I thought it was kinda funny.... I digress..... lol
I'm SO glad this has been brought up and I intend to ask SOE what they had planned for this sort of thing. IF they reply (an official reply thank you very much) that it was intended these nodes are shared then I will comply, but until such a statement is made I will continue to scold those who KS my nodes. It IS KSing in my eyes.... just like in EQ when someone walks up and takes my kill I report them. It's NEWB behavior and it is completely uncalled for. 100% rude.
Generally I ask them to stop, or I inform them I consider it rude. 4 times out of 5 the person apologizes and we end up in a nice conversation and a HELPFUL partnership sending tells to eachother about the locations of certain nodes. I have only had ONE time the person turned out to be a complete moron and had NO idea what the concept of "asking" was.... he proceeded to follow me about the zone and mined ONLY the nodes I tried to mine. Even after I told him I had no problem sharing if he'd say a simple "may I please join you" but this jackarse thought it'd be more fun to follow me around and try to get under my skin..... on a side note he was quickly slain by some nice undead fellows because he didnt pay attention to the aggro which was gray to me *evil grin*
Anyway.... if SOE would announce one way or the other I'll gladly change my opinion on it and how I treat it, as of now however I feel it is rude, and seriously is it THAT hard for you to move on if someone is already mining that node? I've NEVER started in on a node someone els is on without asking first... although one time three of us jumped on one all at the same time and I thought it was kinda funny.... I digress..... lol
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Please dont bring that EQI crap into my fun and (so far) rather unspoiled game. No KS whining and this was MY node stuff. This whole MMORPG genre needs to just have fun playing and less time crying over kills, spawns, and how many peeps are chopping on an old tree log at the same time.
This game is to rich in environment and quests to spend time crying over one thing for any significant period. If you see too many peeps competing....log on another server character and advance that one. Heck i could spend 5 hours just hunting butterflies. Im enjoying the awesome graphics, the interesting stories, the cool interacations, and movie-like music to be stressed. Plus for once in the last 4 years....I can finally say i dont really care whats being said in /ooc and enjoy the game interaction more. Just my 2cp...which is worth more than ever....
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This game is to rich in environment and quests to spend time crying over one thing for any significant period. If you see too many peeps competing....log on another server character and advance that one. Heck i could spend 5 hours just hunting butterflies. Im enjoying the awesome graphics, the interesting stories, the cool interacations, and movie-like music to be stressed. Plus for once in the last 4 years....I can finally say i dont really care whats being said in /ooc and enjoy the game interaction more. Just my 2cp...which is worth more than ever....
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What selfishness! Not willing to share the resources of a zone with others. What difference does it make if you gather from one node three times or three seperate nodes once?
A terrible, terrible "me me me" attitude!
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A terrible, terrible "me me me" attitude!
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I have to agree with most of the other posters. It's not about not respecting a "camp", it's about monopolizing nodes. If we were not able, or intended to share them, you better believe someone would "camp" these nodes to the point that no one else would ever get a shot.
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its consider KSing (Kill Stealing) to start harvesting a node someone else is working...I'll finish that one later after all the children get out of the newbie areas
The game's been up for two weeks and already you're telling us what's appropriate like SOE sent you the special list of "intended gameplay etiquette" and it's your duty to inform the masses...and those children in the newbies zones...dirty, filthy little creatures, I wish someone would rid all of Norrath of their presence, let's do something about this...Maybe we could bomb those spoiled little brats who don't like to play by the rules which I pull out of my especially enlightened ***...
Oh, you're only level 15, that was so last week, I'm not grouping with you, I've moved on, I'm level 16, I'm second tier material...now run along
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if SOE would announce one way or the other I'll gladly change my opinion on it and how I treat it
Same here. If they ever post that it is the same as kill stealing then I'll change mine.
It's pretty obvious they could have made this a one shot deal instead of 2-4 shared harvests. If they had meant all of them for you then why go through the hassle of coding it the way they did? They could have just said, "You clicked on harvest? Okay, then WHAM here's all four roots." They didn't do that. Ask yourself 'why?'
I just find it very funny that the one's saying "Newbs" or "n00bs", the high lvl's of 15 OIO, are the same ones saying its kill stealing. I am starting to understand that some people have a ME ME ME ME ME mentality and to share or get satisfaction from someone else's enjoyment is above and beyond what very well may be the limit cap for their social skills. As far as waiting for SOE to put something out .................. gimme a break. Are you seriously going to send a multibillion dollar company that put an outstanding game out on the market this week, and has done nothing but fix, from what I have seen, reported bugs, and supported its player base by opening additional servers to handle the player base, a note about your harvesting spots? ................................. ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
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Do you guys use the same logic in the buffet line? I'd love to watch as you screamed "NO!!! THAT'S MY SWEET & SOUR CHICKEN!! Go get your own you freak!!! Are you new here or something?"
Edited, Sat Nov 20 10:18:50 2004 by Ghostpaw
Edited, Sat Nov 20 10:18:50 2004 by Ghostpaw
^ ^ ^ hahahaha rate up for making me laugh so hard because that's exactly what it sounds like ........... STOP MY CHICKEN
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I bet General Tzo is pissed!!
Edited, Sat Nov 20 20:00:26 2004 by Ghostpaw
Edited, Sat Nov 20 20:00:26 2004 by Ghostpaw
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rare nodes perhaps and make some pretty sweet stuff. If someone manages to grab 3 items while they harvest, well thats money!!!
Did anyone pay attention to xKnightfallx's statement, this is a pretty big vision.
Think about it, if two or more high level skilled, (harvesting or whatever), come across a rare node at the same time, does it really make since to hog all three rare items and be really rich or too be curtious and respectful of anothers hard work, and share the node.
Okay, I escape into EQ becuz it's an awsome world. The real world is in-polite enough as is. Can we not work together to make this a really enjoyable game, where your friends and name stretch across the lands of Norrath. Trust me, sharing will give everyone a chance to fight that dragon you see on the previews lol.
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well something i noticed is this (and maybe its a game setting i need to turn on, though i doubt it): When someone is "harvesting/fishing/mining/etc" I don't see the animation on my screen. I just see them standing there.
Is this how it is for other people or am I special?
As a result I usually click on a node when i see it and whack away. My intent is not to be rude but since i can't tell what someone is doing or if they are just AFK and it happened to pop behind them.
Is this how it is for other people or am I special?
As a result I usually click on a node when i see it and whack away. My intent is not to be rude but since i can't tell what someone is doing or if they are just AFK and it happened to pop behind them.
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I have been crafting since I started. At first when harvesting I would run by nodes being worked. Then one day someone jumped on a node I was working. I said nothing and moved on. Later it happened again, I asked the person nicely to observe basic MMO etquite like we have heard mention of in this thread. Then it happened again and I told them to stop it please. Then it happened again except this time 2 people and I got mad. By the end of that day I had realised that unless I wanted to spend more time telling people off than harvesting I may as well go with the flow. So now I jump on everything that spawns, I dont care if yo momma is working it. Why ??? Because that is the system we have been handed. Not everyone is as nice as us and willing to observe basic courtesy, so call it weak but unless they change nodes to lock like mobs then it is every crafter for him or herself. Nice guys defineatly finish last on this one.
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