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#1 Jun 16 2017 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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First couple duties (excluding one I did with an FC member) consisted of people rage-quitting after one or two wipes (despite the fact we had Echo), tanks not bothering to turn stances on, Main Tanks switching to DPS stance mid-fight while tanking, DPS pulling bosses before people are ready, people absolutely ignoring mechanics and then dying, healers not bothering to raise people, DPS wasting Limit Gauge in the middle of the battle before we even have 3 bars, etc...

It's just all kinds of special. And I haven't even gotten to 4-man stuff and I'm already feeling like I've had enough of that for awhile.

Thankfully, PLD and WHM did not change all that much, and the changes that did happen, I like, especially PLD which feels a lot better now, with one small exception of how slow the Oath meter builds during Shield Oath. It takes forever to get the 50 you need for Sheltron and outside of popping Bulwark, I see no way to improve it. I really don't understand why they gave Sheltron a 5 second recast when it takes you a minute+ to get enough Oath to cast it, lol.

Sword Oath, on the other hand, I'm doing Sheltrons every 20 seconds or so, with that and the fact that my main DPS is on Riot Blade->GB/RA, I can almost act as an off-healer as I have nothing else to spend MP on, and I'm almost invincible in solo play..

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That sounds like the usual course I noticed even prior to 4.0 whenever I worked on my aether character lol, but I always get told I'm playing an "alternate" version of XIV, so eh guess it's DC specific. It's going to get a bit worse before things smoothen out it seems.

I know people will say "everyone is getting used to the job changes!" but I'm noticing people acting like SE got rid of stuff you've been doing for the past 4 years (as in, the basics haven't changed, tanks still are expected to hold aggro and healers expected to cure >.>) I expect nothing out of SAM and RDMs right now, but I expect people to do a bit better than they are doing lol, the first true progression in SB was needless to say..rough especially with so few people even ABLE to get past one MSQ, and for the wrong reasons.

So congestion aside, I enjoy that some of the large NM fates give actual useful stuff, like music which made me a nice bit of money (sold 4 for 720k before it tanked.)
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#3 Jun 16 2017 at 4:39 PM Rating: Excellent
Leveled rdm to 52 in POtD. I like the job's foundation... stopped playing to work on a freelance article that I otherwise won't have time to finish this weekend (and that's after taking today off just to get some early access playtime).... but I like what I've seen so far.

My one complaint is similar to the earlier one in the OP. I really like the rdm's balance guage, but I feel like it takes too long to fill up. That might change though once I'm doing more traditional battles, and I can cast more easily without needing to run around so much... but in PoTD, it's hard to even get casts off before some mobs die.

Haven't done any dungeons on paladin yet, but I could totally see your point about gauge speed not really making sense with Sheltron's recast.

Feels good for Stormblood to finally be here though! And I'm glad to have another job that I'm truly excited about leveling.
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#4 Jun 16 2017 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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@Theonehio: yeah, learning a new job doesn't suddenly make you forget that you shouldn't stand in junk, or that you should kill certain mobs in certain order, or the boss does (x thing).

Though I suppose, if someone's overwhelmed by the changes in their job, they should spend a little time outside the dungeon and get at least somewhat comfortable with their new rotation so that they are not tunnel-visioned on their hotbar.

That's what I did -- I took PLD out to outside Castrum Oriens and killed some Lv60 mobs there because my chocobo challenge was 51/100 and I thought I'd finish that and get the feel of the new stuff at the same time.

THEN, I went into a dungeon and I already had my hotbars configured, a decent grasp on what I was supposed to do, etc.
#5 Jun 16 2017 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
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Admittedly I only got to play for a few minutes so far, which I mostly spent rearranging my HUD and hotbars, but I'm really not sold on the new job gauges. Some of them are nice. I like having BotD time more visible, but others, like the Aertherflow gauge I wish I could disable. I don't need giant glowing pink diamonds in the middle of my screen reminding me about my Aetherflow stacks. I'd be perfectly happy to have the tiny icon back on my buff list.
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Meh. Double post. Haven't seen that happen in a while.

Edited, Jun 16th 2017 7:50pm by Karlina
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Karlina wrote:
Admittedly I only got to play for a few minutes so far, which I mostly spent rearranging my HUD and hotbars, but I'm really not sold on the new job gauges. Some of them are nice. I like having BotD time more visible, but others, like the Aertherflow gauge I wish I could disable. I don't need giant glowing pink diamonds in the middle of my screen reminding me about my Aetherflow stacks. I'd be perfectly happy to have the tiny icon back on my buff list.


You can disable them in character configuration.
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Cool. I'll have to check that out later.
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You know, they REALLY need a system where if you get DC'd, it saves your spot on the server so you don't have to wait for a queue to log on.

Earlier, I got DC'd... tried to log back on, had to wait 5 minutes for a 500 player queue. When the queue was up, I got the loading screen followed by that 92001 or whatever that error is, and I got DC'd again, booted back to the title screen.

Go back in.... another 500 player queue.

Seriously.

They could at least, maybe, 3 minutes the server saves you a spot if you DC. If you actually log out willingly, then don't, but if you get DC'd, you shouldn't have to wait through the queue to get back on. WoW did this kind of thing and it just felt better.

Wound up giving up (my apologies to that poor FC person who needed their FSoF), as I didn't want to spend the next God-knows-how-long waiting in queues only to get booted off again.
#10 Jun 16 2017 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
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Well this is insane. I tried entering the initial SAM duty, and got disconnected while it tried to load. Now I can't even log back in because I keep getting error 90002. You'd think if the instance server was full it would just send you back out when it timed out, not boot you from the game entirely.

Edit: Now it won't even load my character. Just says "Unable to obtain character data due to server congestion."
http://imgur.com/a/wFAfL

Did the devs seriously learn nothing from the 2.0 and 3.0 launches? How did they not see this coming?

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#11 Jun 17 2017 at 1:27 AM Rating: Good
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You'd think every major online gaming release would know by now, Kar. :P

But yeah, it's usually safe to figure launch days and the next few after will be dumpster fires. Not much we can do about it until devs decide they can't skimp on servers and/or better figure out how to handle projected loads.
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Well, as I've said on the o-boards, there's only so much the devs can do with the ridiculous number of people.

They can only install so much hardware, they can only buy so much bandwidth.

There comes the time when the playerbase needs to realize this, and if the servers are congested, people need to realize that there's just nothing that can be done, and they need to be willing to just come back later instead of continuing to clog stuff up.

That and people need to STOP Making alts on lower population servers when their mains aren't accessible. These people make everything worse on everybody else. In fact, I'd say there needs to be character creation restrictions to stop this behavior.

It's not like they have any serious plans on actually leveling up these alts and making them their mains, they're just going to clog up the server, maybe troll in one of the main cities and/or whine and moan about their problems on their main server all the while, clogging up connections for everybody else.

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I would have believed that but this seems more like either an oversight or deliberate.

1. RDM and SAM had the same issue, but they fixed it.

2. The quest after has the same problem despite FAR less people doing it, I'm currently stuck on the quest about 20 minutes after because of 'congestion.'

So yoshida always repeated "don't rush blah blah", so programming error possibility aside, it's could very well be a purposeful bottleneck to prevent people from 'capping' out in Early Access.

But yes, its a datacenter wide problem, but the playerbase is a very interesting one.
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Well, ya, because they know that obviously a lot of people are going to want to play for 72 hours straight doing nothing but Final Fantasy XIV and there'll be people passing out, or even dying like some people in Korea have done. They obviously don't want that.
#15 Jun 17 2017 at 8:44 AM Rating: Excellent
Hio, people on the OFs are saying the bottleneck issue is solved on JP and EU servers... do you know if this is true?
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#16 Jun 17 2017 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
Was always the issue being on Balmung, logging in with the release of anything becomes a pain. That being said, I see where SE is coming from, they're not going to change everything for the week or two that things are out of hand. Things taper off pretty quickly once the shiny wears off.

Once I'm through with Persona 5, this will be a good pick up for the summer time.
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Thayos wrote:
Hio, people on the OFs are saying the bottleneck issue is solved on JP and EU servers... do you know if this is true?


I wouldn't say solved on JP DC - It's more like people organized better for example making a line. It's not AS bad I would say. I tried on Balmung, people formed a line but you still had a ton of people crowding around spamming raubahn and pippin, so the line/organization method was pointless there.

I think the disconnects issues were solved on JP DC at least lol, but there's the whole susanoo bug that some are getting now..
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Edited, Jun 17th 2017 9:20am by Theonehio
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Was it really so hard to see congestion coming and plan for it? It's not like it hasn't happened before. All they really need to do is implement a simple queue system. You pick up your number and you get the option to start the instance when it's your turn. They already do that for the the daily roulettes. It wouldn't have taken much effort to copy that system over to the story instances.

On a secondary *****, I don't see the point at all of the DRG gauge. It literally does the same thing that the icon used to do, except now it sucks up a two inch chunk of the screen.

On a positive note, one of the more awesome people on Ultros is helping out a bit. They managed to get passed the congestion and have a two seated mount. They've started ferrying people over to the other other aetheryte in the Fringes. It's not much, but at least it's something.

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The main scenario plot diverges and I continued on in other cities without doing Rauban fight until server numbers dropped.
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The main scenario plot diverges and I continued on in other cities without doing Rauban fight until server numbers dropped.


For maybe an hour of side quests. The vast majority of content is locked behind the instance that nobody can get into.

Fun story, I decided to stop trying and go try out SAM and RDM. I farmed up the materials and made all of the accessories I needed and tried out both jobs for a bit. When I got comfortable with SAM, I decided to try out the quest to fight the old man...and DC'd and now I have a 500 person queue.

Seriously, f*ck you SE.
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kainsilv wrote:
The main scenario plot diverges and I continued on in other cities without doing Rauban fight until server numbers dropped.


For maybe an hour of side quests. The vast majority of content is locked behind the instance that nobody can get into.

Fun story, I decided to stop trying and go try out SAM and RDM. I farmed up the materials and made all of the accessories I needed and tried out both jobs for a bit. When I got comfortable with SAM, I decided to try out the quest to fight the old man...and DC'd and now I have a 500 person queue.

Seriously, f*ck you SE.

Edit: The same to you Zam server. I clicked "post" once.

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Seriously, what's up with the Zam server? That's the third double post in this thread.
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And now I'm stuck again. Queued up for trial roulette and the game bounced me during the loading screen. Now I'm completely stuck. After waiting in the queue to log back in, it immediately kicks me back out because it keeps trying to send me back into the failed instance. This has been going on for almost 30 minutes now.

Edit: Yeah, it's been an hour now and I still can't log in because the game keeps trying to load me into a dead instance, and failing. **** this ****.

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Largely why I'm 67 on my main and avoiding finishing the MSQ because there's also a russian roulette with Susanoo if you'll get tossed into the terrain on exit and thus client force crashing.
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Karlina wrote:
And now I'm stuck again. Queued up for trial roulette and the game bounced me during the loading screen. Now I'm completely stuck. After waiting in the queue to log back in, it immediately kicks me back out because it keeps trying to send me back into the failed instance. This has been going on for almost 30 minutes now.

Edit: Yeah, it's been an hour now and I still can't log in because the game keeps trying to load me into a dead instance, and failing. **** this ****.

Edited, Jun 17th 2017 9:02pm by Karlina


Someone in my FC was having that problem and managed to get around it by flushing their DNS. If you're on PC you should be able to try it and see if it helps:

- Open a command prompt
- ipconfig /flushdns
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It fixed itself eventually. I just went and did something else for a while.

Something else annoying that's completely unrelated. As of right now you can only glamour SCH only books into other SCH only books. You can't turn them into general ACN books any more. SMNs still can, but not SCHs.
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#28 Jun 18 2017 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
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Well, as I've said on the o-boards, there's only so much the devs can do with the ridiculous number of people.

They can only install so much hardware, they can only buy so much bandwidth.


Some games have taken to creating "buffer worlds" that are used exclusively when a server's population is too high. Basically, if your world's full, it logs you in there so you can still play until a spot opens up, at which point you can select to move over or just keep doing what you're doing and accept getting bumped back in line a bit.

Unfortunately, I wouldn't expect this feature to hit XIV because they haven't been good about their cross-server functionality beyond DF matching. When it comes to instancing, or the lack thereof like with housing, it's otherwise SE choosing some bad ways to code their ****. And it's an error they've repeated in XI numerous times, too.
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Double post derp.

Edited, Jun 19th 2017 3:15am by Seriha
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Ok, that was cool. I just ran into a bit of role specific dialogue and cutscene changes.

I just did that early story quest and watched that CS where (among other things) Y'shtola gets hurt and Krile starts casting healing magic her. I was doing the quest on SCH, and Krile turned to me and said "Don't just stand there gawping! You're a healer, aren't you?", and I started casting healing spells along side her. Asking among the FC, apparently that doesn't happen if you're a tank or DPS.

I love that they though enough to do that. I wonder what, if anything else changes based on role or job?
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A LOT of the later MSQ and a few of Side Story quest dialogue changes based the progression you've done, e.g you're far more recognized if you've cleared Coils and if you've cleared Alexander Savage as well if you're Legacy vs "New" player. It definitely seems like they got the Binding Coil scenario writer to do some if not most of the storyline for 4.0, which is good, as she was XI's writer as well and it shows.
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RDM swords were obviously designed for larger races. Most of the hilts and knuckle guards are HUGE in my tiny lalafell hands.
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Double post.

Edited, Jun 21st 2017 9:22pm by Karlina
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Edit: Holy crap the forum servers are wonky lately. It posted a third time 40 minutes later? WTF?

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A LOT of the later MSQ and a few of Side Story quest dialogue changes based the progression you've done, e.g you're far more recognized if you've cleared Coils and if you've cleared Alexander Savage as well if you're Legacy vs "New" player. It definitely seems like they got the Binding Coil scenario writer to do some if not most of the storyline for 4.0, which is good, as she was XI's writer as well and it shows.


Yeah, I heard a reference to me defeating Bahamut earlier. The writing as a whole has improved and has kept my attention a lot better than HW did. I just couldn't find myself giving a **** about Ishgard.

Also, THE AZIM STEPPE. Love this zone. It's massive and totally reminds of the Calm Lands in FFX.
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A LOT of the later MSQ and a few of Side Story quest dialogue changes based the progression you've done, e.g you're far more recognized if you've cleared Coils and if you've cleared Alexander Savage as well if you're Legacy vs "New" player. It definitely seems like they got the Binding Coil scenario writer to do some if not most of the storyline for 4.0, which is good, as she was XI's writer as well and it shows.


Yeah, I heard a reference to me defeating Bahamut earlier. The writing as a whole has improved and has kept my attention a lot better than HW did. I just couldn't find myself giving a **** about Ishgard.

Also, THE AZIM STEPPE. Love this zone. It's massive and totally reminds of the Calm Lands in FFX.


Just as long as they left the cheap lame chocobo flag races out. I still have horrible memories of trying for that ultimate weapon part. Annoying, Annoying, ANNOYING mini-game. Nearly as bad as that stupid 300 lightning strikes crap or whatever that was for Lulu's. Glad I never use Lulu, lol.
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Hah, I got all their weapons except for Wakka's. Blitzball got old fast.
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Just reloaded my old FFX file and apparently I DID get Wakka's final weapon. Must have been drinking a lot during those blitzball games cause I have no recollection of them.
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Taking it long and slow (and only playing a few days a week because of RL shenanigans) I finally finished the main story last night.

I have mixed feelings about the experience. I liked all the individual pieces of the story, but as a whole it felt very disjointed. The whole Doma arc felt very out of place and I'm still not sure what the point of it was. Zenos was already gone by the time we got there and we weren't even expecting Doma to send troops to help out or anything. Freeing Doma was cool for it's own sake, but was completely unconnected and unimportant to the initial Ala Mhigo stuff. In general liked the story, but I spent a lot of time asking myself "what was the point of all that?"
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Taking it long and slow (and only playing a few days a week because of RL shenanigans) I finally finished the main story last night.

I have mixed feelings about the experience. I liked all the individual pieces of the story, but as a whole it felt very disjointed. The whole Doma arc felt very out of place and I'm still not sure what the point of it was. Zenos was already gone by the time we got there and we weren't even expecting Doma to send troops to help out or anything. Freeing Doma was cool for it's own sake, but was completely unconnected and unimportant to the initial Ala Mhigo stuff. In general liked the story, but I spent a lot of time asking myself "what was the point of all that?"


The whole "thing" about it in-game was that you were trying to split Zenos's attention.

Zenos had JUST wrecked Rhalgr's Reach and any attempts to fall back, regroup and rebuild are not going to work when he's stomping all over the battlefield.

So the idea, was to cause a ruckus over in Doma to force Zenos to turn his eye over there long enough to let the Ala Mhigans enough time to regroup and try to rebuild/resupply/recover, even if you don't see a whole lot of that in the story.

Also a good place to secure more allies if you end up needing them. Maybe not troops, but some weapons and armor could be brought over, etc. Also more training for the Scions and the WoL too.

I feel the premise is OK, but it is... somewhat under-represented. We come back and the Resistance and the Alliance seem like they are back to full strength and several idiot balls in a row were handed to the Empire, just like that. It feels... a little rushed. I'm on my way to assaulting the Cannon myself, and I had JUST got back to Gyr Abannia like I don't know... 5 in-game hours ago? Like 2 levels worth of quests? Feels kinda quick.

But hey, at least the dungeons over in Doma.... Shisui... Doma Castle... and Baram's were just awesome. Awesome, awesome experiences. Some of the most fun I've ever had doing instanced content in an MMO yet.

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Don't get me wrong, I really liked all the Doma stuff. The questing and dungeons and story there was great. It just felt disconnected from and unrelated to everything else that happened before and after.
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The story makes sense when you think about it overall. It feels disjointed because they were busy, as usual, trying to push you from zone to zone without really building anything. So while you were trying to split Zenos's attention, you were set to liberate both doma and ala mhigo while ala mhigo will be the place that "builds more in future updates" as the real empty feeling comes from not only the ending, but because there was literally zero point story and lore wise for doing what we did once we reached the end because it's like "now what? FIND OUT in 4.3!"

But yoshida said it best that the story is done in a way that everything is "frozen in time" in a sense. We do our thing, we go back on an alt or whatever and we redo it knowing what will happen but the game doesn't act like we already completed it etc, so it's more focused on the design rather than the actual story ironically.

HW was the same problem and really, will always be a problem if they keep the same formula as he wants to do. Nice areas and tons of side quests and so on, but ultimately, you get pushed through the zone so quickly (especially if you know how to maximizing leveling) they may as well not even exist, for example aside leveling alt jobs on skipped side quests and certain FATE rewards/hunts/nodes, how often do you find yourself legitimately going back to older zones like Ruby Sea or Loch just to go there because you enjoy the zone and there's actually stuff to do there besides the obligatory systems required to be there?
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#43 Jul 10 2017 at 8:56 PM Rating: Good
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Double post

Edited, Jul 11th 2017 3:38am by Karlina
#44 Jul 10 2017 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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Probably my favorite thing about the story? Not single mention of an ascian the entire time. Not until Elidibus showed up for a minute in literally the very last cutscene.

Edited, Jul 10th 2017 9:57pm by Karlina
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#45 Jul 10 2017 at 9:15 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I'm kinda digging the break from the whole Ascian thing.

Though, hopefully, in the next expansion, could we take a break from the Imperials? It'd be nice to fight somebody new for once.

Though I suppose we had that through half of Heavensward, but still. Imperials Imperials Imperials. They dominated a large chunk of vanilla, the end of Heavensward, and now the entirety of Stormblood.

Some people on obards say they want Garlemald next, and I'm like "noooo, I think we need a break for awhile. Let's do Garlemald like, after the next expansion" lol.
#46 Jul 10 2017 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I'm kinda digging the break from the whole Ascian thing.

Though, hopefully, in the next expansion, could we take a break from the Imperials? It'd be nice to fight somebody new for once.

Though I suppose we had that through half of Heavensward, but still. Imperials Imperials Imperials. They dominated a large chunk of vanilla, the end of Heavensward, and now the entirety of Stormblood.

Some people on obards say they want Garlemald next, and I'm like "noooo, I think we need a break for awhile. Let's do Garlemald like, after the next expansion" lol.
#47 Jul 11 2017 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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When Ascians got brought up in an interview, yoshida basically dropped the hint about an XI themed expansion in regards to them, since he said they'll always be an element of the story, but unlike the dragonsong war, Doma/Ala Mhigo was purely Garleans, no outside help lol.
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#48 Jul 11 2017 at 5:26 PM Rating: Default
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Meh, the cutscenes were better at least, and the characters were more memorable. Zenos > evil pope guy.

This game's story has never been anything above average so I was fine with what it was. (I think those who say it's on the same level storywise as the single player FFs are nuts). On paper it can be good but the way it's presented is pretty bad most of the time.

Edited, Jul 11th 2017 7:33pm by BrokenFox
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