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#1 Aug 11 2008 at 2:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Tonight I spent two hours shouting for members in Whitegate for swift belt run. After we had six members we left and starting all of us had a codex already. We random after each fight to see who goes first, my rolls suck horribly (I was rolling like 38, 13, 103). We do about 4 NM pops, and 3 belts drop. Then while we are fighting fomor to raise our hate our thf just randomly sends me a /tell: "Hey I gotta go in 5 minutes I gotta go to work". ... At first I thought it was a joke and that there was no way anyone would be stupid enough to join a swift belt run which at minimum takes 2.5-3 hours when you KNOW you have to leave in about an hour. ARE YOU RETARDED? Then i think o great no big deal i will go change job to thf and other nin can tank, we can kill balor with 5 members. I strap on my warp club and not even before the timer is ready another member force d/c. So i tell my ls about what is happening and they feel sorry for me, 1 person offers to come help, yet another member disconnects, our healer.

I WANT TO THANK THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE ON VALEFOR FOR WASTING MY VALUABLE TIME:
Jhagan -- should not have joined if you couldnt stay for the entire duration
endlesspath -- fake disconnect when others are depending on you, unacceptable
aai -- same as above

TO jhagan, aai, and endlesspath: if you have a limited amount of time to play final fantasy, dont join an event or farming or anything when u cannot be easily replaced. It is rude as hell and unfair to others. also, i dont care if you are tired or you have a headache or the sky is falling, fake disconnect IS NOT acceptable under ANY circumstances. dont join if you cant handle it.
go play a differint game this a team based game and you have no integrity.
All three of you owe the other three of us an apology, and you still owe us your time helping us get out belts, or at least taking our turn for a chance to get our belts. we have OUR time invested in you this is only fair. Tough s**t if you dont like that i said that.
I sat in front of the computer for 5 hours and was fully prepared to sit in front of it for as long as it takes for everyone to take their turn with codex
in the future if you guys cannot do exactly this, dont join to begin with, you are only end up wasting their time and I GET PISSED OFF WHEN PEOPLE WASTE MY <expletive> TIME. to everyone else reading this: dont invite these people to your events or pick up ptys.
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If anyone on valefore is putting a swift belt run together let me know i wont d/c (except for acts of God beyond my control), i can stay the entire time regardless how long it takes, but i REFUSE to take the initiative to put together any more of my own pick-up parties for anything ever again.
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Edited, Aug 11th 2008 10:52am by eternalcreature
#2 Aug 11 2008 at 2:39 AM Rating: Default
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#3 Aug 11 2008 at 2:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think stupidity is the problem, just selfishiness. Force d/cs are bad enough in exp parties, but for event like this, especially after you got what you came for is really lame.
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#4 Aug 11 2008 at 2:51 AM Rating: Good
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Things you shouldn't do with a pick-up party:

Optical hat, Swift Belt, Reverend Mail, BCNM, KSNM, Rutter Sabotons, Galliard Trousers, Tatami shield, Salvage.

Things you should do with a pick-up party:

Exp, merit, Skill-up. That is all.

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#5 Aug 11 2008 at 3:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sicklove wrote:
Things you shouldn't do with a pick-up party:

Optical hat, Swift Belt, Reverend Mail, BCNM, KSNM, Rutter Sabotons, Galliard Trousers, Tatami shield, Salvage.

Things you should do with a pick-up party:

Exp, merit, Skill-up. That is all.



Oh, how incredibly lucky I was. I put together my own Reverend Mail run on Fairy through pick-up. And we successfully obtained 10/10 Reverend Mails. :3 It was glorious.

Anywho, it's just a matter of organization and well. A bunch of hard yelling. Agreed people are a bunch of ********* though.

Edited, Aug 11th 2008 7:02am by Kalianaxx
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#6 Aug 11 2008 at 3:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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And we successfully obtained 10/10 Reverend Mails


That is pretty impressive, you should /flist each one of those people, as reliable ones are always worth keeping a note of.
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#7 Aug 11 2008 at 3:51 AM Rating: Good
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I find myself wondering more and more if time can heal stupid. Five or so years ago I would say yes. But as time goes on, I see more and more people falling into the intellectual roach motel of internet discourse.
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I went on a similar belt run, where people would afk after getting their belt and not come back, fake d/c or just say they had to leave. I decided not to bother with a party for it again.

Recently duoed it as Bst with a Thf from my old CoP static (needed a Hume as the Taru NM is not nice). It took a few days as we could only get on at the same time for a couple of hours a day, but it was fun. Went 2/5 in the end.

I know I should get an O-Hat, but I can't face the chance of the Belt fiasco again.
#9 Aug 11 2008 at 4:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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And we successfully obtained 10/10 Reverend Mails


That is pretty impressive, you should /flist each one of those people, as reliable ones are always worth keeping a note of.


Indeed, they were excellent. We even began to enjoy it. I listed a congratulations to those that went and thank you to all on the Fairy forums a bit ago. I think I'll have to go take a look to remember who all was there.
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#10eternalcreature, Posted: Aug 11 2008 at 4:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) im still so totally pissed about this
#11ThePsychoticOne, Posted: Aug 11 2008 at 4:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) what's wrong with pickup bcnm/ksnm (barring ks99s)? theres also plenty of successfull pickup salvage parties.
#12 Aug 11 2008 at 4:38 AM Rating: Good
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eternalcreature wrote:
changed from my mind from o.p. i will make another swift belt run
but forget that randoming sh*t if i am putting the run together I AM GOING FIRST the rest of the pt can random to determine THEIR order if they want to
dont like this new rule that leader goes first? tough sh*t im leader u don't get a say in it. what, still a problem? /kick you from my pt

I have joined pickup parties for things like this (got swift belt, soboro, and optical hat via pickups) where that is the rule and I have absolutely no problem with it. Granted the reason I have no problem with it is if the person is going through the effort to get everyone for it they should be able to go first, afterall its not like the other people couldn't have done the same thing.

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I don't think stupidity is the problem, just selfishiness. Force d/cs are bad enough in exp parties, but for event like this, especially after you got what you came for is really lame.

100% agree, if you don't have the time to be able to commit to the whole event don't join because if you get to go in the first few and then leave it is just going to make you look like an asshat. People that do things like this end up on a list I have accumulated over the years of people I will not help under any circumstance. The way I figure it is if they do this once it likely isn't a one time thing and eventually it will get back to them when they are not able to do anything because no one will help them because they can't be trusted.

Sicklove wrote:
Things you should do with a pick-up party:
Exp, merit, Skill-up. That is all.

Providing you are not a mage at the time for the skill-up with people constantly whining about haste. Luckily I didn't need to skill up as WHM since I capped out all the combat skills as PLD, but while doing so with PLD I couldn't tell you how many times melee would be moaning about not getting hasted.
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#13 Aug 11 2008 at 4:41 AM Rating: Good
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i think you three should pay me NO LESS than 100k each for wasting my time
no, im serious
send it to my delivery box. you owe it to me as far as im concerned
considering all the effort i put into this to not even get MY turn
i am expecting compensation in either 1. the shape of an apolagy and a swift belt -or- 2. 100k in my delivery boc from all 3 of you


Yeah, good luck with that. I'm sorry you ran across selfish people, but honestly there is nothing more you can do about it now. Take it as a life lesson - either do things like this with trusted friends or be willing to take the risk of being screwed over.

As an aside, I think we should all chip in and buy this guy a SHIFT key.
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#14 Aug 11 2008 at 4:48 AM Rating: Decent
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what's wrong with pickup bcnm/ksnm (barring ks99s)? theres also plenty of successfull pickup salvage parties.


Theres nothing wrong with it until you get fleeced for something by a total stranger, who doesn't give a crap whether you /blist them or not because they ninja lotted your Peacock Charm and made 2 million gil out of doing so.

The problem with doing this stuff outside a linkshell, is because you have no way of controlling what your party members will do, they have nothing to lose by ******** everyone else over. At least in linkshells they will lose something by doing it, even if it is just credibility with the other members.
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#15 Aug 11 2008 at 4:57 AM Rating: Good
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Theres nothing wrong with it until you get fleeced for something by a total stranger, who doesn't give a crap whether you /blist them or not because they ninja lotted your Peacock Charm and made 2 million gil out of doing so.

The problem with doing this stuff outside a linkshell, is because you have no way of controlling what your party members will do, they have nothing to lose by ******** everyone else over. At least in linkshells they will lose something by doing it, even if it is just credibility with the other members.

Actually I find that this is when the quartermaster system actually can have a good use. If you run with the "your orb your drops" rule (which I hate, but that is besides the point) just quartermaster whomever is supplying the orb and it solves the case of ninja lotting. This doesn't always work however in the case of ex or rare/ex drops that the orb supplier would not want and would rather give to another member who would get better use of the item (latent weapons from KS30s for example), so it still isn't a catch all.
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Sicklove wrote:
Things you shouldn't do with a pick-up party:

Optical hat, Swift Belt, Reverend Mail, BCNM, KSNM, Rutter Sabotons, Galliard Trousers, Tatami shield, Salvage.

Things you should do with a pick-up party:

Exp, merit, Skill-up. That is all.



This sounds good in theory, but for casual players it is hard to put these events together with friends and/or a linkshell.

I find that when I can only get on once or twice a week I have to try my luck with completing these things. You can't arrange an 18 man linkshell event that "might happen sometime next weekend", or ask people you speak to a few times a month to spend six hours helping you out on a Friday night.

Does this mean that casual players can't have the best gear, from Sky or Salvage? Probably, yes. Does this mean that casual players can miss out on staple pieces of gear like Ohat? Or enjoy any activity apart from exp and skill-up, such as BCNM? No, it shouldn't.
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I realize you had a bad experience, but man do you have a nasty attitude. I honestly wonder how you got this far in the game as it is if something like that makes you so obviously furious.

There are all sorts of problems you will run in to in the game and in life, you might want to find a decent way to handle them.
Do you even have proof that one or both of those people didn't -actually- D/C legitimately? They very well could have 'faked' it, but there is always that chance that someone actually had a connection issue, though that didn't stop you from listing their name and calling them out for it, as well as saying they owe you 100k for it.

Again, I am sorry you had a crappy experience, that'd make anyone irritated, but I think you need some perspective.


Edited, Aug 11th 2008 6:07am by AmanoJ
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I went I think 1/9 on swift belt over the course of about a year. When you get like that, then you can cry about it. Before then, not so much.

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#19 Aug 11 2008 at 5:18 AM Rating: Good
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Does this mean that casual players can't have the best gear, from Sky or Salvage? Probably, yes. Does this mean that casual players can miss out on staple pieces of gear like Ohat? Or enjoy any activity apart from exp and skill-up, such as BCNM? No, it shouldn't.


No, it shouldn't, but I have heard of about 4 or 5 people getting shafted on an o-hat run, by getting booted once they traded their cluster, or the leader QM's their hat. I have been to runs where a key job hops it once they have got their item. I've seen the same things happen on swift belt, and know someone who got Richarded on a Under Observation run.

Unless you have absolutely no choice, I would recommend that you simply wait until your linkshell can do the event with you. Sadly, some people are dicks, and shouting for help is like a giant advertisement asking for someone to come and take away your items that you probably worked hard to be in a position to get.

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#20 Aug 11 2008 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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i changed from my mind from o.p. i will make another swift belt run but forget that randoming sh*t if i am putting the run together I AM GOING FIRST the rest of the pt can random to determine THEIR order if they want to
dont like this new rule that leader goes first? tough sh*t im leader u don't get a say in it. what, still a problem? /kick you from my pt
and thats the way its gonna be from now on
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You almost got my sympathy vote, since you weren't being a total *** over the situation. Then you just had to continue.../sigh.

Instead of sorry, i'll now say.: Get over it.
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The problem is Darwinism no longer applies today. The stupid do no longer get anihillated by their own retardedness before they can breed.

It's a shame to be sure.
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#22 Aug 11 2008 at 5:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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im still so totally pissed about this
these people wasted my entire night
i was cheated out of my turn compeletly
they at least had a chance to get even if it didnt drop
when they do get a swift belt i hope they choke on it
they wasted my time and left me


i think you three should pay me NO LESS than 100k each for wasting my time
no, im serious
send it to my delivery box. you owe it to me as far as im concerned
considering all the effort i put into this to not even get MY turn
i am expecting compensation in either 1. the shape of an apolagy and a swift belt -or- 2. 100k in my delivery boc from all 3 of you

i changed from my mind from o.p. i will make another swift belt run
but forget that randoming sh*t if i am putting the run together I AM GOING FIRST the rest of the pt can random to determine THEIR order if they want to
dont like this new rule that leader goes first? tough sh*t im leader u don't get a say in it. what, still a problem? /kick you from my pt
and thats the way its gonna be from now on
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I know that you are upset... but not being fair to the other participants, especially ones that may help you obtain your Swift belt, makes you no better than the folks that abandoned you.

ALL players are not like those that left you hanging. Most of us would have stuck it out until everyone had their Belt.

Sorry this happened to you, but penalizing new folks for the failures of others is not fair, and I assure you it won't work long-term.

And, I don't know many people that would join a PuG without having equal rights to random for first pop. But, that might just be me... Smiley: eek

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The problem is Darwinism no longer applies today. The stupid do no longer get anihillated by their own retardedness before they can breed.

It's a shame to be sure.


I wouldn't give up too much hope Nilatai. Darwinism is alive and well and even gives out awards now. The Darwn Awards proves it still works, just a little slower then we'd like in these modern times.
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Nilatai wrote:
The problem is Darwinism no longer applies today. The stupid do no longer get anihillated by their own retardedness before they can breed.

It's a shame to be sure.


I wouldn't give up too much hope Nilatai. Darwinism is alive and well and even gives out awards now. The Darwn Awards proves it still works, just a little slower then we'd like in these modern times.


You just made my day Smiley: inlove
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Have I been lucky or are BLM just more reliable?
Or maybe it's because it's just a cheap pickup bcnm/ksnm/isnm.

KSNM30 ODS is a joke with 6 blm and I've never had a problem with a pickup run.

BCNM40 UO also a joke with 3 blm and again never a problem - except that time on my orb that taught a lvl 41 (or something) blm what a timed nuke is. I also learned to make sure they know what a timed nuke is or have RR up -.-
it's also a joke when I rdm UO with a couple ninjas from linkshell.

ISNM75 whatever that one with a big fish is - 5blm + rdm also = easy killin and never had a problem with anybody from that.
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You almost got my sympathy vote, since you weren't being a total *** over the situation. Then you just had to continue.../sigh.


I was extremely agitated when I wrote it. The events described in the OP happened about 20 minutes before I posted it. Sorry.


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I have joined pickup parties for things like this (got swift belt, soboro, and optical hat via pickups) where that is the rule and I have absolutely no problem with it. Granted the reason I have no problem with it is if the person is going through the effort to get everyone for it they should be able to go first, afterall its not like the other people couldn't have done the same thing.


I was hoping more people would have this type of response.

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I know that you are upset... but not being fair to the other participants, especially ones that may help you obtain your Swift belt, makes you no better than the folks that abandoned you.


How is it unfair that the person shouting for members, talking to 2-3 people at the same time asking them questions like, "Do you already have a codex?" and "What job can you bring?" would get to go first? It seems fair to me, I would go along with it if i joined a pick-up-party and the leader said it. However: if the leader did that then warped once he got the item, it would be a different story entirely. Which is part of the reason why I would feel comfortable doing it the next time I make my own group, I know that I'm not going to leave once I get my item, I WILL stay and help. Who else can I trust to be this honest but myself.

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This sounds good in theory, but for casual players it is hard to put these events together with friends and/or a linkshell.

I find that when I can only get on once or twice a week I have to try my luck with completing these things. You can't arrange an 18 man linkshell event that "might happen sometime next weekend", or ask people you speak to a few times a month to spend six hours helping you out on a Friday night.

Does this mean that casual players can't have the best gear, from Sky or Salvage? Probably, yes. Does this mean that casual players can miss out on staple pieces of gear like Ohat? Or enjoy any activity apart from exp and skill-up, such as BCNM? No, it shouldn't.


This describes me entirely. You see my linkshell was once a Sky ls, and at some point I took a 6 month break from FFXI. When I returned I re-joined familiar faces in my ls, but they have moved on to primarily a sea ls. They still do other events and occasionally sky, but not on a regular basis. I am trailing behind still, currently because I'm stuck on PM4-3, I can't find anyone to help me kill the NM skeleton(s) to get the Key I need. I've been trying to get it for weeks. A small part of me was hoping I could convince my swift belt party to help kill it, and I was debating whether or not to ask for help at the end of the night, depending on how late it was once we finished.

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I realize you had a bad experience, but man do you have a nasty attitude. I honestly wonder how you got this far in the game as it is if something like that makes you so obviously furious.


I have been in all kind of bad situations before, some have made me angry. But tonight was such stupidity that I have never encountered in my 3.5 years of playing FFXI. I can honestly tell you that this is the angriest this game has EVER made me.

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Do you even have proof that one or both of those people didn't -actually- D/C legitimately?


No, I don't. But come on man, look at the circumstances. They were lazy and saw an oppurtunity to leave so they did. I'd put my money on force d/c.

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They very well could have 'faked' it, but there is always that chance that someone actually had a connection issue, though that didn't stop you from listing their name and calling them out for it, as well as saying they owe you 100k for it.


Your right. It didn't. I know none of them are going to give me 100k. Looking back, I probably could have left that part out and just outright demanded they find time to help me with my swift belt immediately. Then again, I don't want their help now, I'll find some one else.

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ALL players are not like those that left you hanging. Most of us would have stuck it out until everyone had their Belt.


I sure would like to find these players on my server. Practically everyone I ever knew has quit FFXI. There are literally 3 people on my friend list, one of whom is my other account, my wife's character.

I am changing the name of this post. I do so because I am using this thread to vent and do not want it to be deleted, and younger visitors to the site may become offended. (At least I think I'm changing the name, can I do that?)
Let's just change f**king to 'freaking' ok? Hopefully that'll be good enough.

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Edited, Aug 11th 2008 10:55am by eternalcreature
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