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#102 Dec 30 2011 at 5:12 PM Rating: Default
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Meh, I disagree that other MMOs filled the hardcore niche better. FFXI just had that magical mix for me back in the day. Crafting for when I didn't have hours of free time, camping NMs for that lovely rush, the grind of exping. And the most important thing of all, the drama between HNM shells. The game just abused you and you kept coming back for more.

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#103 Dec 30 2011 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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I way I see it FFXI was softcore skinamax compared to EVE's banned in 49 states no limits hardcore.
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The best time I had in this game was back in the old, old days when there were only 15 jobs and it has nothing to do with nostalgia.

My first 6 months in this game were great because everything was exciting and new and I had a linkshell of people I liked and cared about. In a way, this period gave me false expectations and it wasn't until much later that I realised deep down that every month since has been spent trying to recapture the feeling of those days and it will never happen.

I did things like go to Mhaura just for a boat ride and I once saw some random guy do a 'taru dance' and I offered him all my gil (about 20k) to show me how to do it.

I didn't mind the 4k an hour EXP or whatever it was for a few reasons. I enjoyed the excitement of going to the AH to see what new clothes and armour I could buy. That was nice. But also because I was in no rush.

In life, your ultimate goal is death. The joy is not in the destination but in the journey. I didn't want to 'finish' the game or reach the end so I took my time.

But eventually I got closer to 75. One by one I did all the missions for my nation, for Zilart, for CoP etc. I had travelled every inch of the globe and fought most of the monsters.

So I started to level other jobs, especially BRD to get into those endgame events that were picky about jobs.

But it wasn't the same. With each job I levelled, it got more boring. Going to the same EXP spots was boring, fighting the same monsters, knowing what gear I was going to get. All boring.

At the end of the day, people are only supposed to live 1 life. No one is supposed to live 15 identical lives.

You can try and argue that no 'life' need be exactly the same but the changes are only superficial.

Once the thrill of doing it all the first time has worn off, the rest is just various shades of repetition.

And by now my lovely linkshell was also gone. 80% of the people who were there with me from the start had stopped playing and weren't coming back. The other few were scattered about and I only saw them from time to time.

The way I should have played this game was to get one job to 75, experienced a bit of endgame, then said thanks for the memories and logged off for good.

I would have had 18 months of good memories and a fun experience.

As it is, I kept playing, putting more time and effort into the game until I got too attached to my characters to kill them off.

Now I just dip in from time to time, take long breaks from the game and hang around these forums, still with no long term goal or resolution.

Am I addicted? No. My total play time in the last 12 months must be about 30 hours. I usually just go on, see if anyone is shouting for anything I can help with, say hello to any people I know who are on, then log off.

The lesson to be learnt from FFXI is know when to quit something and move on. I'm still waiting to learn it.
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RavennofTitan wrote:
I way I see it FFXI was softcore skinamax compared to EVE's banned in 49 states no limits hardcore.


Totally, If anyone thinks they are truly hardcore they should play EVE, see how Hardcore you really are. Unfortunately I can't really play EVE anymore I stopped playing for sometime and when I came back my Corporation (Linkshell) and the Alliance (allied Linkshells) no longer controlled the space we were in.

Due to how EVE works if your ships etc are left if station when it changes hands you are more or less SOL. Unless you have the money to get them out which requires you to broker a deal with the local "authorities". Sometimes this works, but true Pirates will blow you to space dust the second you undock from the station. To compound my inability to return to the game I have a -10 rating (means serious bad dude) and can not reenter civil space. In order to rebuild/meet people one needs access to ships and equipment, and money (via missions) which are only offered through certain stations, the safest ones being in civil space.

Because I went the pirate route and spent my waking hours in the game being super hardcore about it, I can now not even return to the basic areas to do the basic PVE events to rebuild. I am currently a space nomad with limited funds, and limited travel opportunities, and since I know less than 100 people that may or may not be spread across an unlimited Galaxy, I am more or less on my own, as every time I am killed I respawn in a station that is not mine, in a star system filled with other hardcore people who's mission is to keep outsiders out.

You want to go hardcore, go with EVE, if you stop playing, you have to start over.
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#106 Dec 31 2011 at 7:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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If I had unlimited time and no commitments or aspirations I would totally get into that.
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#107 Jan 01 2012 at 2:04 AM Rating: Decent
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RC is also a hobby that tends to be populated by well off retired old men, at least in my limited experience.

Honestly, to me, if you're gonna spend all that money and 10,000 hours getting good at something... why not take actual flight lessons? My father in law has been plotting and planning to build a real helicopter for decades. He got his license. He built a landing pad outside his house and registered it with the FAA, then built a quadruple garage to store it, and now he's saving up the $30,000 to buy the actual kit to put it together. And once he's done... he can literally take off from his front house and go whenever he wants to. Not a bad way to spend your retirement.


Because a real helicopter can't fly like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt2jxXGhqU0&feature=plcp&context=C315bf2bUDOEgsToPDskKeGREvQTCmMikfzm7ProAZ


Edited, Jan 1st 2012 4:13am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#108 Jan 01 2012 at 4:00 AM Rating: Decent
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rdmcandie wrote:
RavennofTitan wrote:
I way I see it FFXI was softcore skinamax compared to EVE's banned in 49 states no limits hardcore.


Totally, If anyone thinks they are truly hardcore they should play EVE, see how Hardcore you really are. Unfortunately I can't really play EVE anymore I stopped playing for sometime and when I came back my Corporation (Linkshell) and the Alliance (allied Linkshells) no longer controlled the space we were in.

Due to how EVE works if your ships etc are left if station when it changes hands you are more or less SOL. Unless you have the money to get them out which requires you to broker a deal with the local "authorities". Sometimes this works, but true Pirates will blow you to space dust the second you undock from the station. To compound my inability to return to the game I have a -10 rating (means serious bad dude) and can not reenter civil space. In order to rebuild/meet people one needs access to ships and equipment, and money (via missions) which are only offered through certain stations, the safest ones being in civil space.

Because I went the pirate route and spent my waking hours in the game being super hardcore about it, I can now not even return to the basic areas to do the basic PVE events to rebuild. I am currently a space nomad with limited funds, and limited travel opportunities, and since I know less than 100 people that may or may not be spread across an unlimited Galaxy, I am more or less on my own, as every time I am killed I respawn in a station that is not mine, in a star system filled with other hardcore people who's mission is to keep outsiders out.

You want to go hardcore, go with EVE, if you stop playing, you have to start over.


You can try to petition to get your stuff moved to a high sec spot, I remember reading on /v/ about someone in your situation.
Or you could sell everything pod back to highsec with the isk and start over :P

Edited, Jan 1st 2012 5:01am by icebus
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#109 Jan 01 2012 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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If I had unlimited time and no commitments or aspirations I would totally get into that.

What they don't say is that Eve's actual gameplay, exciting as it sounds, is about as dull as watching paint dry.

I tried, I really tried, to like the game. I had about 40 co-workers who were all in the same corp and wanted me to join in, knowing that I am into MMO's. I picked up the free demo expecting to be piloting a ship across a hostile galaxy. What I got was true point-and-click drudgery. I don't know if fights at higher levels are more exciting, but essentially, you fly in circles around one another and wait. Most everything is on automated timer so you just watch it. Eventually either you or your opponent wins and you rinse/repeat.

I understand that most of the fun comes from the social element, of all the back-room deals and what not. Honestly, I could not stand grinding until that point. I would literally be asleep at the keyboard.
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#110 Jan 01 2012 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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icebus wrote:


You can try to petition to get your stuff moved to a high sec spot, I remember reading on /v/ about someone in your situation.
Or you could sell everything pod back to highsec with the isk and start over :P

Edited, Jan 1st 2012 5:01am by icebus


As long as they changed my security status that would be great, the only thing preventing me from going to high sec is my status. To those who don't play security status determines your likelihood of blowing others up, because mine is -10 (bad bad bad) even in high sec (safe space) if i were to undock in a ship the local police will warp in and destroy me. On top of that anyone in high sec can shoot me down with no penalty.
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#111 Jan 01 2012 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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I keep hearing Heavy Weapons Guy saying the thread title.
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#112 Jan 01 2012 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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rdmcandie wrote:
icebus wrote:


You can try to petition to get your stuff moved to a high sec spot, I remember reading on /v/ about someone in your situation.
Or you could sell everything pod back to highsec with the isk and start over :P

Edited, Jan 1st 2012 5:01am by icebus


As long as they changed my security status that would be great, the only thing preventing me from going to high sec is my status. To those who don't play security status determines your likelihood of blowing others up, because mine is -10 (bad bad bad) even in high sec (safe space) if i were to undock in a ship the local police will warp in and destroy me. On top of that anyone in high sec can shoot me down with no penalty.



I wouldn't hold my breath. They aren't going to wipe clean the bad things you've done in the past so you can go back to 00 space like nothing happened. You earned your -10 and now you are paying the price for that.

Remember this is the same company that won't restore property to corporations that were infiltrated and lost everything. They have a very strict "hands off" policy for good reason. If they do it even once it sets a precedent for interfering in player interactions.




Edited, Jan 1st 2012 5:40pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#113 Jan 02 2012 at 4:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wouldn't hold my breath. They aren't going to wipe clean the bad things you've done in the past so you can go back to 00 space like nothing happened. You earned your -10 and now you are paying the price for that.


Yep and so are they for making it next to impossible to start over (without actually starting over) they are getting 0 dollars a month from me. (yet keep sending me emails to reactivate for 14 free days).
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I know nothing of Eve, but is there no way to lower your status to 0 again?

I realize that in your situation, you couldn't yourself, but maybe you could find others to help you out?
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I realize that in your situation, you couldn't yourself, but maybe you could find others to help you out?


No, lol. EVE is what 4chan would be if it was an MMO. Law abiding players would kill him and take his stuff because he's a pirate and they hate him. Other pirates would kill him and take his stuff because they're pirates, and also because they hate him.

He decided to be a criminal and prey on other players and now he is paying the price for that.

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I wouldn't hold my breath. They aren't going to wipe clean the bad things you've done in the past so you can go back to 00 space like nothing happened. You earned your -10 and now you are paying the price for that.


Yep and so are they for making it next to impossible to start over (without actually starting over) they are getting 0 dollars a month from me. (yet keep sending me emails to reactivate for 14 free days).


They'd loose a lot more if they started interfering in the game like that. EVE's main attraction is it's unrestricted gameplay. EVE is the only MMO in the industry that actually gains more players every year and CCP will not and should not risk that by interfering in the game even if it means they loose the occasional subscriber who painted themselves into a corner.

Edited, Jan 4th 2012 3:28am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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I know nothing of Eve, but is there no way to lower your status to 0 again?


It would be possible, but EVE is a dangerous place, considering I am stuck in the middle of space owned by another corp, likely in a sector controlled by an alliance I would have a hard time getting back to -4.9 (the lowest rating needed to get into "safe" space) . In order to lower my status I need money to buy a ship and mods for it (weapons/shielding ammo etc), also there is no guarantee that there are ships available that I can fly, in space I can get them from.

The best chance I would have is to try and get in and out of high security space in a small ship, maybe a stealth bomber, the issue with that is small ships have a hard time destroying Battleship NPC's which you need to kill in order to effectively lower security status.

Another option is to try and find the people I used to play with and hope to make it to their space in one piece which is freaking near impossible coming from 0.0 space.

As Lobi said I made my own bed and now have to sleep in it. EVE was hella fun, but considering that I have basically cornered myself I am pretty much unable to play the game.
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I realize that in your situation, you couldn't yourself, but maybe you could find others to help you out?


Could try by chance of success is limited, unlike FFXI, in EVE the community is encouraged to hate those who they do not know. Every person you see you don't know could be a potential threat from just scouting, to being a cyno ship (basically a warp point for massive fleets to jump to.) EVE is very hostile and the popular saying in EVE is If it ain't Blue then Pew Pew. (at least in player owned space and pirate zones.) It is almost impossible to get help from random shouting because in space no one can hear you scream.

This is why I love that game, all this talk about it makes me want to just suck it up and start over lol but man I have like 3 years of skill training and can fly so many cool ships, like one that can lead Covert Op fleets, basically warp them in and out of systems unknown to anyone (other than the local chat channel filling up with new people) and drop right on top of maybe some mission runners, or a mining operation, or even take an enemy fleet completely unaware while they are preparing. Such a fun strategy element in an MMO is hard to find...just wish they didn't punish you so hard for playing hardcore. (then again maybe I am being punished for leaving, in which case **** you Abyssea)


Edited, Jan 4th 2012 5:58am by rdmcandie
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I know nothing of Eve, but is there no way to lower your status to 0 again?


It would be possible, but EVE is a dangerous place, considering I am stuck in the middle of space owned by another corp, likely in a sector controlled by an alliance I would have a hard time getting back to -4.9 (the lowest rating needed to get into "safe" space) . In order to lower my status I need money to buy a ship and mods for it (weapons/shielding ammo etc), also there is no guarantee that there are ships available that I can fly, in space I can get them from.

The best chance I would have is to try and get in and out of high security space in a small ship, maybe a stealth bomber, the issue with that is small ships have a hard time destroying Battleship NPC's which you need to kill in order to effectively lower security status.

Another option is to try and find the people I used to play with and hope to make it to their space in one piece which is freaking near impossible coming from 0.0 space.

As Lobi said I made my own bed and now have to sleep in it. EVE was hella fun, but considering that I have basically cornered myself I am pretty much unable to play the game.
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I realize that in your situation, you couldn't yourself, but maybe you could find others to help you out?


Could try by chance of success is limited, unlike FFXI, in EVE the community is encouraged to hate those who they do not know. Every person you see you don't know could be a potential threat from just scouting, to being a cyno ship (basically a warp point for massive fleets to jump to.) EVE is very hostile and the popular saying in EVE is If it ain't Blue then Pew Pew. (at least in player owned space and pirate zones.) It is almost impossible to get help from random shouting because in space no one can hear you scream.

This is why I love that game, all this talk about it makes me want to just suck it up and start over lol but man I have like 3 years of skill training and can fly so many cool ships, like one that can lead Covert Op fleets, basically warp them in and out of systems unknown to anyone (other than the local chat channel filling up with new people) and drop right on top of maybe some mission runners, or a mining operation, or even take an enemy fleet completely unaware while they are preparing. Such a fun strategy element in an MMO is hard to find...just wish they didn't punish you so hard for playing hardcore. (then again maybe I am being punished for leaving, in which case @#%^ you Abyssea)


Edited, Jan 4th 2012 5:58am by rdmcandie


This is making me nostalgia hard for my drone boats. Drone ships are the pet jobs of EVE, and they rock for PvE. Click a button, and five type II deathbots race to whatever I deemed to die and circle at high speed pelting it down no matter what it does. And good luck tracking my drones at that speed and range. I was is Eve University. Fear the uniblob.
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