[dev1010] Job Adjustments (4/22/2011)Follow

Yup. That's a brick. It came out of my ****.

Two minutes would have been cool, but THREE minutes of Last Resort? With a 4:10 recast? Mind blown.

I'm just happy that we got some more stuff to play around with, ill keep my opinions on all that stuff to myslef until after i get to see it in action, and i'll hope for some ninja-tweaks on the AI. /sigh

Oh **** you're right I didn't even think of that.

No. When you have 80% hard capped haste casting spells will cost you far more damage than it does now.



You know how MNK became Kenshiro post Abyssea?


Introducing the new DRK.




Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 10:02pm by Lobivopis

RNG is obviously about sticking TH on mobs according to SE.

Unless I misunderstand you, the Desperate Blows haste effect is only applied when you're using two-handed weapons, so you'd only get the attack boost from Last Resort if you're dual wielding.

Just checked, your completely correct. I forgot DB only applies to 2H weapons. That puts DRK in a weird spot inside Abyssea, clearly we can't ignore the power behind RR / GH type atma's when combined with crit WS's but to discard the juicy haste from DB would be blasphemy. When its only 30s out of every 4:10 its not really noticeable, but now we're talking three min out of every 4:10. Interesting will have to do more math to figure out which way works better.

That's the old way of doing things.
The new way is this:
1. Post information in a new [dev] thread.
2. Make an announcement on the POL website.
3. Update the post with new information
4. Make an announcement on the POL website about the update.

So it's still very possible to see more job changes, although they probably won't be as big as the PUPdate.

Stop thinking.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2011 10:18am by K1n371x

Procs don't address the issues with the class. Sure, RNG has some utility by having a large amount of piercing blue procs but that has nothing to do with the fundamental purpose of the class: dealing damage at a distance.

Any Ranger who is doing their job will tell you that it isn't long before you're forced to no longer WS because you're going to draw hate. Now heres the part where people say "well part of the class is learning to hold back lulz" and heres where I say, no it isnt. Even if you resort to using only ranged attacks, you will eventually move that mob and inconvenience the entire group.

In situations where a mob moving might put mages at risk of AOEs, RNG is forced to pretty much ignore weaponskills for fear of completely throwing off the group dynamic. Barrage? You must be kidding me. Worse, by holding back so much you're actually worse than the front line DD doing damage so why bother showing up? You're better off front-lining because the main pitch of the job is obsolete.

It's clear that SE doesn't get it. While jobs like BLM get enmity sheds and mana wall, RNG continuously gets nothing but repeated slaps across the face every update. More and more DD tools for a job that fears becoming the target of the enemy and there is no way to get around it short of a relic weapon. Hell, even with the relic weapon you'll eventually wind up dead because of procs during the /ra phase. Ammo options continue to get more and more elaborate with items no reasonable person would stock the AH with. Ruszors? Really? Dark Adaman? Are you kidding me? Fusion Bolts? Cmon. Most Rangers have agreed by 99 we'll be given Khimaira horn arrows, Cerberus bullets and Hydra bolts.

This "update" to RNG makes no sense. What does a Ranger have to do with treasure acquisition? It seems like Bounty Shot was created for Corsair and at the last minute someone blew dust off the musty tome containing the job concept for Ranger and just smashed the two together. Why don't they just give RNG a JA to play dead already, that's obviously the purpose of the class - to die repeatedly.

If this is the case, then the only think that makes sense to me is reduce the cooldown of camo down to 3 minutes and let it shed hate upon use. Better than Feigning Death. >.>;

This is my current Abyssea face-melter.

OA2-4 Scythe, 5-hit, averages two hits per round, four hits per WS, thus two rounds per WS.

BMoon/Cosmos/Kirin. Endark starts at 90 damage, Infernal Scythe drops for 1.2k every ten seconds or less.

Optimal is probably Ultimate/Cosmos/Apocalypse, for the Magic Accuracy and extra MAB on Ultimate and Apoc pulling it further above a two-hits-per-round average, but I need an Ultima clear.

***** the Torc DRKs who lie about their average WS damage, I do 1-1.2k every time and it never misses -- three times as often.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2011 1:51pm by Raelix

I am sporting a multi-hit crit WS, its called Jishnu's Radiance. This has nothing to do with what im talking about however.




What part of "Ranger can't do its job" do you not get? If you want to be satisfied with just being able to proc some blue !! using Sea Daughter and afking, fine. However for people who actually want to play the class, the job is fundamentally broken, in the same way Paladin is broken.




/ra isn't going to compare to todays norm where every melee DD can reach the gear haste cap. How many swings do you think a dual wielder gets in the time it takes for a player to hit /ra, have the character fire, pause delay and then fire again? Psst, it doesn't take long before human reaction time leaves you way behind the guy using auto-attack.

Pulling hate doesn't mean you're doing "awesome damage" either. The point of Ranger is to sit from a distance and deal damage however due to the fact that you aren't taking damage and how enmity in this game works, you wind up becoming a target. This causes mobs to move, putting mages in AOE range and overall ******** around with positioning.

So, you wind up doing less damage than an auto-DD, enmity winds up moving you out of the sweetspot for ranged attacks and you get penalized when you aren't in the sweetspot in the form of a damage cut. If you do finally get the chance to launch off some weaponskills, since every other DD has been taking damage, guess who the mobs going for?



Even if you're on the other side of the monster away from the healer, you're dead or putting the mage within AOE range when you grab hate. Tell me, why did you come Ranger again? Auras? really? How many NMs utilize a doom aura for that to matter. Oh and thanks for reminding me about paralyze, something that isn't notified in the log for ranged attackers whereas melee do.



Give me a break, the gil argument wasn't even brought up. I expect to pay money to shoot ammo but when 12 bags of the newest ammo cost upwards of 500k or more, the system is at fault. Crafting is dead and still SE piles on these ammo synths where rare materials are needed to make decent ammo.

I also don't expect to just show up and be the best damage dealer but you're kidding yourself if you think Ranger is fine as is. The job brings absolutely nothing to the table to defend itself. BLM, the closest thing to Ranger gets multiple ways to prevent itself from being killed - Manawall, Bind, Sleep, Break - whereas Ranger gets zero ways to lower enmity/prevent deaths. Camouflage? You gotta be kidding me.

The game has changed and while Ranger may have been godly in the past when melee were underpowered, the tables have turned and Ranger is looking dated. Most Rangers don't even want more damage tools, they want the ability to be able to play the class correctly and utilize native enmity tools. A good enmity patch for Ranger would make all the difference as you'd be able to do more damage without being a nuisance. Things like auto-fire for engaged RNGs are the stuff of myth as SE obviously doesn't prioritize the improvement of the class very high.



Again, if you like Ranger as a blueproc afker then fine, enjoy it that way. There are other people who want the class to actually live up to its name.


Edited, Apr 23rd 2011 5:33pm by SparthosofLakshmi

Edited, Apr 23rd 2011 5:37pm by SparthosofLakshmi