[dev1010] Job Adjustments (4/22/2011)Follow

You're just trolling aren't you?

RNG has sucked since it was nerfed in 2005. The only reason RNG's damage was ever good was because ranged attacks ignored cRatio and when that was changed Ranger's damage fell well behind every other DD in the game even when they were in the sweet spot.

To repeat, it's not just abyssea, RNG sucked long before that.


Edited, May 1st 2011 6:28pm by Lobivopis

And this right here is why people are engaging in logical gymnastics and insisting RNG is "fine". It has nothing to do with the actual performance of the job and everything to do with lingering bitterness over the 03-05 era. They simply like that RNG now the butt monkey of FFXI.



Edited, May 1st 2011 11:13pm by Lobivopis

You're trolling. RNGs DPS and WS damage were well behind melees even before Abyssea.

If you were shooting for TP, yeah. If you were meleeing for tp, (with the 3 best melee tp weapons, k club, ridil. and merc kris) then running out to ws range, it was still pretty good. If my COR was doing 70-80% of the damage of an actual DD, with healers and evokers rolls on half the time, time wasted rolling them, and inferior gear/stats/ abilities, your RNG was fine.

The argument that another job would do better is stupid. A WHM and a MNK can duo absolutely everything in the game, and quickly. Everyone else is just leeching, so who gives a **** whether the leech is a RNG or a WAR?

You are remembering the days of colibri, a piercing weak mob. COR, K-Club RNG, DRG, Polearm bearing SAM's were all great DD's in those settings due to the weapons they used. Outside of colibri meripo, RNG was a top DD that pulled the mob away. In the zerg system that was a big no-no for a lot of HNM. Sure you pulled out RNG during kited fights, but those were few and far between.

Before Abyssea RNG was one of the least played jobs in the game (right after COR and PUP). Since Abyssea it is still one of the least played jobs (right after PUP and ahead of COR). That's usually a good sign there is something a bit wrong with the job.

The big problems are two fold: 1)Cost and availability of ammo (why pay for equivalent or sub pat damage) and 2) Having to shoot from a distance to maximize damage (note a BLM can still run next to the mob and cast for full damage if he doesn't want the mob moving away from the DD). SE needs to work on those things IMO before RNG becomes viable.

Except everyone who was playing ranger back in 2005 and not inviting you to exp is now a vere monk or kannagi ninja and is still not inviting less than optimal jobs. You think people played ranger because of the mechanics? No, they played because it was the best. Just like now its not the animations or AF design that is keeping people from playing ranger. It's the fact that ranger is subpar.

Oh cmon, THIS is your argument?

I guess I should hate BRDs that told me the PT setups I made sucked, hate WHMs cause they too could be picky when in high demand and also hate CORs because well... all of them were princesses.

This is the weakest argument yet.



BLM in Abyssea has access to key unique Yellow !!s that cannot be worked around unlike RNGs unique Blue !!.

Inside Abyssea, MP is of no concern. Your BLM can stand right next to the mob for 95% of Abyssean foes and suffer no penalty short of being a MP sponge. RNG up close gets a neat damage penalty AND becomes an MP sponge all while doing less damage than any comparable front-line DD.

Interrupts? That can be worked around with Aquaveil or specific gear setups. Damage Penalty? You're stuck with it until you get to the proper distance SE assigns you.



Yeah, ammo is a huge problem for RNG and COR but the core concept of RNG is rotting away. Frontliners are getting faster and faster (most jobs can cap gear haste effortlessly) while RNG remains running at the same pace it was 6 years ago. The Snapshot roll (lol) and continual assignment of crappy JAs to the class is why it's probably the rarest DD in the game.

Honestly, for all the grief Puppetmaster gets you're probably better off with one over a Ranger at this point and doubly so post-patch when PUP gets even more boosts while RNG gets a spiffy TH ability that so obviously was designed for Corsair, you ask yourself who did SE think they were fooling with it.

Edited, May 3rd 2011 1:31pm by SparthosofLakshmi

*cough* SAM *cough*

but RNG doesn't suck. It is fairly capable in melee range, it always has been, however most RNG's do not care to build a melee set for TP, and WS when they are required to be in melee Range. As I said earlier any job that pulls hate at range should run to the melee as soon as the mob begins moving to them. This allows the melee to unlock and keep pace and minimize grab ***. RNG is not in a terrible place, abyssea is what is the issue, and I guess by extension outside of abyssea (granted we have no information on what atma like things will be available, nor do we have any idea what will be on the table come june.)

You said it yourself earlier in this thread, that a RDM or BRD could out DD a melee RNG which shows you really have no idea what you are talking about since both Rampage and Evisceration are available to RNG. Having a multi hit Crit WS puts RNG ahead of a lot of jobs. Unfortunately for them this means their "role" is diminished because ranged attacks are minimal.

I just do not know what your argument is, other than crying for the sake of crying. You complained about survival, which is not an issue it survives just as well as a WAR, you have an issue with hate management, which can be soft countered with SCH, and Hard countered with THF, baring either of those you can minimize the issues by entering melee range for a period of time until a tank can regain hate, now your issue is with damage which is more or less moot considering there are a handful of jobs that are currently dealing high damage, and they consist of jobs with multi hit crit weaponskills. Such as WAR, DRG, THF, DNC.

The only real issue that has been brought up in my honest opinion (despite my support for the hate drop ability on RNG) is the lack of ranged auto attack, and ammo requirments. if SE gave RNG and auto attack that fired without a macro I think that could help some, I would even go as far as allowing use while moving with a 25% reduction to ACC (meaning 75% of total ACC is retained so if your on paper Hit Rate against a target is 125% you will have 94% ACC rate even while moving.) As well as getting rid of ammo. (this across the board. You buy 1 type of arrow quiver, or shuriken, etc etc and have an unlimited supply of that type.) To me this needs to be done, not only because of the decline of Ammo on the AH for the jobs that use it, not only to fix throwing with NIN who have never really ever made use of this skill, but mostly because it follows the pattern they just promoted with universal NIN tools.

These are personally what I think would help RNG and all ranged attack classes from Blood Bolt THF's, to RNG's, COR's SAM's DRK's RDM's WAR's.

RNG is pretty fine, once again it is abyssea that is the Issue, but you know what here is an Idea, go post in the BLM forum that your job is unwanted except in unique situations make sure you let them know that its only been a year since you were considered mostly useful, but I suggest you leave out the fact that they were considered useless from 06-10 or go to the BST forum and suggest to them that even though RNG was mildliy useless since its nerf that BST being mostly useless since its inception should be overlooked.

Seriously dude, you need to buck up, RNG is fine, its not the best, its not the worst, welcome to mediocrity.

Edited, May 3rd 2011 10:38pm by rdmcandie

the job was doomed the instant SE named it.

As long as they don't get a stance that changes their costume to a single color w/ a black visor and a theme song, I think ranngers are ok.

what non piercing melee? Most of the heavy hitters outside of abyssea can use, or do use polearms, which is piercing. Off the top of my head MNK and DRK are the only 2 I can think of that don't and are considered heavy DD. So I am confused at which non piercing melee you are referring to in (lol)colibri parties, mobs that die in 25 seconds instead of 20 when not using piercing is a pretty lulzy comparison.

In parts of the game that actually matter, RNG does just fine. But your tears are delicious.

Edited, May 4th 2011 5:49am by rdmcandie