FFXI: A New Hope (editorial discussion thread)Follow

You can't hold 4 EP mob's pets? Seriously?

I know that. Why do you think I directly referenced you?



Key word: I don't know why you're trying to convince me. You've already convinced yourself it'll be terribad, but what you're doing is akin to trying to convince a kid not to touch the ice cream for the sole reason that you happen to dislike ice cream. The kid's not going to be convinced.

I'm not running out of things to do, and the cap raise is only going to give me more things to do that I couldn't do before. I am not in the same boat as you so I don't know why you're trying to play it off like I am. Quite frankly, you already sound disenchanted with the game, with everything being trivial and underneath you and all, so I'm not really sure how a cap raise is going to suddenly make things way worse for you.

Edited, Mar 18th 2010 5:39pm by Fynlar

I was just confirming that it is indeed hard to understand it. It's hard to believe that i've quite literally had more success soloing something blindfolded (though still not enough) than some people have had without handicapping themselves.

They still have crap for power and low hp, if you're really afraid of taking an EP's ~ga, just kill them.
B/C Thayos posted asking us to discuss our opinion, and I did, and you didn't understand my opinion, so I explained it.

Would it have been that hard to scroll up?

Yeah, it's so easy to just kill mobs with what? 15k hp? And they may not be the strongest mobs around, but they're still stronger than you seem to think.

Yeah, it's so easy to just kill mobs with what? 15k hp? And they may not be the strongest mobs around, but they're still stronger than you seem to think.[/quote]The non-summon version are only ~15-20k the summoned ones have much less than that. They also have crap base stats. The only reason they're difficult at all (how many times have I said this?) is because they have lvCorrections in their favor: eg: Kirin gains 68 evasion, 68 acc, and equivalent of 340 def just from being 92, when we're 99 we also get 7 levels the same sort of bonuses applied to us when he's attacking, in addition we'll have much much higher stats and hopefully some new gear/WS/abilities from main and SJ. It's not even going to be a challenge.

Edited, Mar 18th 2010 6:32pm by shintasama

I understood your opinion just fine. What I don't understand is why you're trying to convince me that my opinion is wrong or otherwise misguided.

When you start being all like "it's not going to be awesome like you think it is; let me tell you why" it becomes less like an opinion and more like propaganda, not to mention the fact that it makes you look like a total buzzkill. I'm only talking about why I'm viewing this update as positive for me, not for anyone else, so I don't get why you feel like your toes were stepped on and you felt compelled to respond to me in the first place.

In any case, it should have been made pretty obvious by now that we aren't going to see on the same wavelength, merely due to the fact that to me Kirin is a challenge, and to you it's a joke.




You went through quite a lot of effort to make a post of that size that only ended up proving my point perfectly anyway. I'm sure that if there's any professional chess players out there that have also dabbled in this game, some of them could twist your post around and make chess seem like the easier game simply because they are more used to it.

Pro tip: Difficulty is all about perspective and what you're experienced with. Surprisingly enough, this is the same reason why even though keyboard-only is supposedly the best/pro/leet/whatever way to play, yanking a decent-console-player-for-4-years off his console and having him try to play this game with only a keyboard is quite capable of throwing him off his game.




Signet bonuses are never applied to NMs, regardless of their level.

Edited, Mar 18th 2010 6:56pm by Fynlar

Eh, that depends on your definition of a fairly large number. I've zerged it just fine with as little as 14. It isn't too hard really, as long as you got some decent drks, and your brds know how to heal (since you wouldn't want more than 1-2 rdm/whms).

DS curaga2, followed by more curagas. Stonega is rarely an issue really, since it usually gets interrupted, and it takes long enough to cast that you can cure every back up before it goes off anyway. Basically the same thing rdms do.

Edited, Mar 19th 2010 4:09pm by ThePsychoticOne

As Fynlar said, not everyone is in the same boat.

Some of us [quess who?] do not even have access to sky or sea, still. Still not rank 10 with my first nation. Barely scratched the surface of ToAU or WotG and only half wayish on ZM and CoP missions ... and I've been playing casually for 4 years. I feel really sorry for the newer players. Elder players don't want to go back and do that old content to help others get access anymore; they're just tired of it. It is really time consuming too, so it is not that I blame anyone. No one invites underachievers to their end game Linkshell if they cannot even access these areas, so if you are thinking, "Join an endgame LS to get into end game," trust me, I appreciate your suggestion, but it doesn't really work that way with the remaining player base. I even leveled Corsair specifically to make myself more appealing to other players to get more help.

I'm looking forward to both the 99 cap and the server merges with the hopeful optimism also. Perhaps I can finally

• see the rest of the missions and story.
• get access to the above areas I hear so much about.
• have a chance to obtain all of those dreamy rare/ex item drops and mission rewards.
• have more people and Linkshell opportunities for said activities with the server merges.

Sorry if you get bored; I hope they add something for those of you who have had better luck getting help with progression. I only have 1 friend who helps me progress and invites me to do things, and I owe him a debt of gratitude I cannot ever repay for everything he has done for me.

/em sheds a tear of happiness to have such a wonderful friend.

Cheers SE, don't let us down!

Edited, Mar 19th 2010 11:55pm by Nazantia

Just because something bothers you doesn't mean it is a problem for everyone. I thought you'd understand that much by now.



I never said you did. Here's a newsflash: you can express negative feedback without trying to convince others their positive feedback is somehow wrong.

When you come in here trying to tell optimistic people about why they shouldn't be optimistic, you sound like a xbobbobx clone, and I don't know many people here who don't wish he'd just leave already.



Your exact words were "Kirin is a gigantic wuss". That's a pretty strange way to say he's challenging, don't you think?



You call it destroying the game; I call it revitalizing the game and shaking things up, which this game sorely needed.

So much of the game was closed off to me, and now some of it might be opened. If that realization makes me shortsighted, well... time to get me some glasses.

Edited, Mar 20th 2010 2:30am by Fynlar

I'm not seeing how a being lv99 is going to help you clear capped missions easier? If anything it will be harder to get done because experienced people are grinding to get 99/49, less pressured for story mission gear, or quitting because they've run out of appropriately leveled content.I don't know or care who that is. I'm not sure whether to be more confused that you're so adamantly opposed to me being pessimistic rational about this, or that you keep trying to derail the discussion with amazement that I would feel inclined to disagree with people that don't share my view.The hypocritical part is that you apparently feel the same way or you wouldn't keep responding to me as well.Nice job taking that out of context. Kirin has the stats of a gigantic wuss once you take away the massive level correction (the bold lets you know it's important, aka: see the next 2 lines in the post you linked), while players are still 75 and he has said massive level correction he's challenging, when players are 99 and the lvC is in their favor not so much. I've stated this a couple different ways now, did it not sink in because you are just skimming my posts in your rush to demonize me for not blindly praising everything SE does or?
What [I feel*] the game needs is real new content (not addons with a weeks worth of fetch quests for 1 piece of gear), not trivialization of 8 years worth of effort. If you don't believe me look at other games, as soon as the cap is increased there is no reason to go back to old areas or do old quests/missions, everyone just focuses on the most recent expansion for the month or two until they collect what they want, then quits until the next expansion. [I feel*] this system is innately flawed, but it works in a shortsighted "quick fix" sort of way as long as the developer produces another new expansion as soon as players get finished with the previous new expansion. The problem being that SE is abysmally slow at putting out new content, they can't possibly hope to keep FFXI afloat moving to that sort of game design.

*had to add this, lest you confuse an opinion in a discussion thread for something else again.

You can be pessimistic all you like. I'm saying that you can be pessimistic without trying to tell me that my opinions are somehow wrong. The position that my opinions stem from do not apply to you.




Taking something out of context would require you to have actually said it first. Too bad that wasn't what you originally said, and you left that part out of your statement, presumably because you just had to make people feel bad for thinking that Kirin could possibly be challenging as he is right now.




Just FYI, *everything* will always get more obsolete/trivial over time, in this game, any game like it, and real life. It's a lesson that you're probably better off learning here from this game, because real life tends to do a better job of biting you in the *** trying to teach it to you.




No you didn't. Read my first three sentences in this post again.

If you never came in here directly responding to me and trying to tell me that my personal preferences are wrong, I never would have even posted anything beyond my initial response.