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#152 Oct 25 2009 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Mellowy wrote:
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- Cutscenes, Voiceovers, etc. -

I don't really know what you're getting at here, I thought the voiceacting was just average. It's nothing spectacular but it's better than text on the bottom of the screen like in FFXI.


This is 100% false and shows that you are engaging in logical gymnastics.

NO voice acting is better than bad voice acting


I'm late to this topic, but I must say it depends on the circumstances.

FF7 is prime example of terrible. You watch an animated movie and then see text below while they are all silent.... NO. If you bother with good animation then you better voice it too.


No voice acting is better than terrible voice acting. If the voice acting makes me want to turn the sound off then it would be better to just leave it text only.

Edited, Oct 25th 2009 5:48am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

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#153 Oct 25 2009 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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I've read (most of) this thread and I figure I may as well voice my opinion.

Aion's fun... for a few days. Then once you realise that this is basically all you've got, until you unlock PVP at 25 - well, that kinda put a downer on it for me. PVP isn't something I'm excited about, but I'm putting that down to me hating Ballista, so I'd like to try it.

- So far, my experience with the playerbase? ONE nice person, who, when I asked in the LFG channel, about how I could get a legion and maybe meet some new people, took the time to tell me a few things about the game and said if I have any questions just to let him know.

In XI, I see this ALL THE TIME. Yes, there's the occasional "stfu noob" but in dunes parties, even if you see the (admittedly rare) newbie in a starter zone, people will help. One person out of hundreds... and I've seen others asking in other areas of the world as well, and they just get ignored. This is for a new game, not a game where people have been teaching others how to play for years... in XI, after the space of about 2 days, I had ~10 people on my friend list, a linkshell, and people just seemed... better. (That's not fanboyism, because I wasn't a fanboy in my first few days of playing, was I?)

- I'm a bit bored of it already. It seems a bit shallow... there really isn't much to the game, and starting in the middle of nowhere with no back story just made me look at the screen in confusion. "Story led RPG", it says on the box... I haven't found a story yet apart from "you're a raider, now look, you have wings, go kill things". Random quests don't count in that, by the way..

- For such a new game, it's incredibly hard to get started. I've applied to legions, I've asked in game for help, I've asked in game for legions/friends... nothing. Maybe it's my server (Castor), but they aren't a friendly bunch :(

- The graphics? Not that great. I've got them on a high setting and often I find myself looking at something going "wow that's one ugly pastel shaded piece of crap". It was rare to find that in XI. For a 2009 game, Aion isn't overly impressive. It's just prettier than WoW.

- Channels. There's too many. Yes, you can filter them, but there's too much spam because of this. People will put things in EVERY channel just in case someone's filtered Trade.

- On that note, the chat bar does basically suck. You can't read it, it goes by too fast, there's too many options/tabs to use to make it worthwhile, and if you try to separate it so that you can see what you want to, it blocks your screen. XI worked perfectly for me, I can't see what would need to be improved.

- It *IS* a WoW clone, guys. When I turned it on, I thought I was playing WoW II. It's just got a different setting.

- Titles giving stat boosts. Nice idea, but after seeing the 800th "Settler of Aion" person in 5 minutes, I was a bit fed up of it.

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But it DOES have good points. People bash the high TNL's - well, it's scaled, because EVERYTHING you do grants exp. Crafting, Gathering, all give exp depending on the difficulty of the task. That's why you can get thousands of exp from one mob - you make some Tikel Thread, and you will get a few hundred.

- The teleport system is fantastic. Easy to use, a nice little gil sink - FFXI should have used this - pay per port NPC's, this would have prevented price gouging on ports while still allowing for tele-taxi services.

- Flying (the main selling point of Aion) is incredibly fun, as well - but the controls leave a lot to be desired on that.

- The bazaar's are good. You can put a little speech bubble above your head to advertise what you're selling, much better than XI's HoboSack(TM).

- Work orders. Instead of spending millions to skill up crafts, you can sign up to consigned orders, they give you some basic materials (you may have to buy some others) and you can skill up that way. Crafting itself, though, is no step forward from XI - the only differences being that (a) you can't do it in the field, and (b) you have a success/failure bar - whichever fills first, determines the result. It really is uninspiring.

- Friend List/Block. Friend list is easy to use, press V - Friend List tab - add/remove/search, etc. Block is in the same option, click add/remove, insert the name. And you can even add a memo as to why they're there, which is fantastic, and was a real problem in XI for me.

- Actually talking to people. The little speech bubbles you make are cute.

- Emoticons in game. Never seen this before, it's fun.

- Legion Emblems. Little badges for your legion (LS). Just a nice touch.

- Manastones. Think materia, but stat boosts. And like VII, depending on the gear, you can add more boosts. It's nice.

- Lack of RMT. For such a new game, it really is RMT-free.

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As a conclusion... if you don't like WoW, chances are you won't like Aion. I found it fun for a little while, but it gets old really fast unless you're happy to grind until "the good stuff" (25, if you like PvP/instances).

Personally, I found FFXI's "good stuff" at level 1, when I started by spending about 5 hours exploring Windurst, doing quests that weren't "hey, go kill 10 of these". Seriously, one quest I did in Aion was "kill 5 birds because I need a new pen". What the f*ck? I know some XI quests are a bit bizarre, but come on. Was that a "let's see if people read these things" quest?

After hitting about the 5th-6th area and realising all the quests are the same (a few scraps of paper with an apparent premise of a story (two paragraphs is NOT a quest line, guys), I just became bored. I can't see any innovation or creativity, just fancy programming so that you can fly around and fight in the air. Which I have to admit, IS impressive.

I can't see it lasting for long. It's just a clone, where you can fly. I'm actually considering going back to XI, because it's made me appreciate just what was so good about that game.

Or I might just wait for SWTOR... I'll give Aion another chance, though. Maybe it'll improve as I level up.
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#154 Oct 25 2009 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've read (most of) this thread and I figure I may as well voice my opinion.

Aion's fun... for a few days. Then once you realise that this is basically all you've got, until you unlock PVP at 25 - well, that kinda put a downer on it for me. PVP isn't something I'm excited about, but I'm putting that down to me hating Ballista, so I'd like to try it.


I am not a real fan of PvP at all. I think once you get around level 17 for Elyos race, you realize that there is a quest chain that is somewhat difficult to finish on your own. You don't have to do it, but it sure does grant a lot of exp for it. The Krall Quest chain (Which is 4 quests) offers around 450,000 exp total when done with all 4 quests. It is not something you really want to skip but some people do because of its difficulty to solo early on. You pretty much need a group for it if you are less than level 20 because the mobs you have to fight are level 18 elite mobs. For those of you that don't know, Elite mobs usually are for groups and give out a lot of exp. Usually then can be duo'd with a healer and DD and you gain about 8,000 exp for them if you are the same level as them. Problem is that a lot of those elite mobs link with others so its really good to have a party formed to handle adds. Also, level 25 opens up Training Grounds Instances where you can gain one million exp for the run.

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- So far, my experience with the playerbase? ONE nice person, who, when I asked in the LFG channel, about how I could get a legion and maybe meet some new people, took the time to tell me a few things about the game and said if I have any questions just to let him know.


I don't know about you, but I've had a totally different experience on my server. I see a lot of people asking questions in /say while I am out questing, asking for specifics about quests and they are pretty quick to help out and answer. Also you have random chanters and clerics giving you buffs as they pass by and if you are in trouble while fighting something, they tend to ask if you need help with it. Also, I am the type of person who tries to research before asking a question so that's probably a difference. Most of my questions I usually find by searching aionarmory or aion's main website wiki.

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In XI, I see this ALL THE TIME. Yes, there's the occasional "stfu noob" but in dunes parties, even if you see the (admittedly rare) newbie in a starter zone, people will help. One person out of hundreds... and I've seen others asking in other areas of the world as well, and they just get ignored. This is for a new game, not a game where people have been teaching others how to play for years... in XI, after the space of about 2 days, I had ~10 people on my friend list, a linkshell, and people just seemed... better. (That's not fanboyism, because I wasn't a fanboy in my first few days of playing, was I?)


I think the huge difference is that you have to remember that FFXI relies heavily on social aspects and that you need to form friendships with people in order to get anything done in the game. FFXI requires groups, whereas Aion really doesn't. You could go from 1-50 solo if you wanted to in Aion, and in FFXI, it is incredibly difficult because you would need help for limit break quests and such. Legions in Aion from what I have seen are mainly for events like instances and fortress raids.

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- I'm a bit bored of it already. It seems a bit shallow... there really isn't much to the game, and starting in the middle of nowhere with no back story just made me look at the screen in confusion. "Story led RPG", it says on the box... I haven't found a story yet apart from "you're a raider, now look, you have wings, go kill things". Random quests don't count in that, by the way..


The story unfolds in campaign quests. For Elyos:
You were battling the Baelor in the Abyss and during the battle you got knocked out and you fell back down to the lower half of the world of Elysea. When you woke up you lost all memories of who you are and what you did. When you ascend to become a Daeva(wings), you regain some of your memories. From 11-21 there are campaign quests that you do that deal with Lepharist Revolutionaries and such the story of some conflict taking place unfolds. Just make sure you do the campaign missions because that is where the story takes place. If you just skip and grind grind grind you are missing the story.

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- For such a new game, it's incredibly hard to get started. I've applied to legions, I've asked in game for help, I've asked in game for legions/friends... nothing. Maybe it's my server (Castor), but they aren't a friendly bunch :(


Legions can't really be compared to Linkshells. Though there are very very few Legions that are pretty much just social and for helping out, the majority of them want experienced players for raids and instances. If you need questions asked, it's usually best to ask on the forums.

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- The graphics? Not that great. I've got them on a high setting and often I find myself looking at something going "wow that's one ugly pastel shaded piece of crap". It was rare to find that in XI. For a 2009 game, Aion isn't overly impressive. It's just prettier than WoW.


To each his/her own. I think that the graphics are better than FFXI but to be fair FFXI is running on a 7 year old gaming engine. I think it goes back to the fact that if you have a game that is big on graphics, the PC requirements might be too steep for some players.

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- Channels. There's too many. Yes, you can filter them, but there's too much spam because of this. People will put things in EVERY channel just in case someone's filtered Trade.


There are only 4 channels, I am not sure how that is too many:
1) General Chat for everyone to see hear
2) Trade - so you can trade or buy items from other players
3) Group Channel - to ask for help for quests and look for other players on the same quest you are
4) Class Channel - Channel devoted to your specific job.

There are 4 tabs at the top: All, Chat, Combat, Group. You can modify each tab to display whatever you want. In the Combat tab, I only have group chat enabled so I can see drops, exp, and group chat.

Now if you are talking about the 20 different channels to change to, you have that confused. The wonderful thing about Aion is that if you are in an area that is too crowded with players, you can simply change channels. When you change channels, it's like going to another server. So while channel 1 might have 200 people in one area, going to channel 5 might only have 10 people and it makes it easier to farm or complete quests. There is a 3 min cooldown between jumping channels to prevent abuse from extracting items, but its a very nice feature when you are doing a quest and you need to kill a specific mob. If it's too crowded, change channels and you might find yourself all alone.

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- On that note, the chat bar does basically suck. You can't read it, it goes by too fast, there's too many options/tabs to use to make it worthwhile, and if you try to separate it so that you can see what you want to, it blocks your screen. XI worked perfectly for me, I can't see what would need to be improved.


Chatbar can be re-sized horizontally and vertically. You can change the size of the font as well. Small, medium, and large. If it scrolls too fast, filter out the chat that you don't want to see. If you only want to see chat for your class, then go to the chat options tab and remove channels 1-3 from displaying. It's that simple and it keeps the chat screen clutter free.


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- Titles giving stat boosts. Nice idea, but after seeing the 800th "Settler of Aion" person in 5 minutes, I was a bit fed up of it.


Settle of Aion is the title given to those who order the Collectors Edition. It gives Attack +1, Parry +8, Physical Crit +3. If you don't want to see titles of other players, you can simply filter it out in the game options and set it to hide. On my screen, I only see players Legions.


Edited, Oct 25th 2009 1:15pm by ImmortalAlchemist
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#155 Oct 25 2009 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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So far, my experience with the playerbase? ONE nice person, who, when I asked in the LFG channel, about how I could get a legion and maybe meet some new people, took the time to tell me a few things about the game and said if I have any questions just to let him know.

Hey, Biki. If you still need to find a legion, I'd suggest you to go to AionSource and look at the list of EU legions there. It's probably the best place to find legion since you can read a bit of their intro and check their websites/forums to see whether that's the kind of legion you want to join or not.

Regarding community, I'm a bit half and half at the moment. Some people are nice and helpful (e.g.: buff/cure random people passing by, answering questions, etc), some aren't so much (e.g.: drama queens, selfish players, etc) but I think that every game is like that too (e.g.: in FFXI, many people hate those who undercut/inflate AH price, BRD princess, JP onry, etc).

Oh if you have game questions, might want to try asking in /say too when you're in a not so crowded area. People tend to answer when in that situation.

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In XI, I see this ALL THE TIME. Yes, there's the occasional "stfu noob" but in dunes parties, even if you see the (admittedly rare) newbie in a starter zone, people will help.

In Aion, things are a bit different because it's a game that isn't designed to be too group-heavy. So there might be people who are annoyed at newbies' questions that are either "too easy" (in a sense that "why do you need help to do that when I didn't while I did mine?") or "too often asked" (e.g.: on Elyos side, prior to the latest patch, so many people asking "Where's Tutty?").

Plus, people might not actually have the channels up. I, myself, only turn on my chat but block channel 1,2,3,4. I have LFG tab to see when I want to, but in general, I wouldn't know it when people ask questions.

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"Story led RPG", it says on the box... I haven't found a story yet apart from "you're a raider, now look, you have wings, go kill things".

As mentioned by Tummie, the story is from campaign quests. Random quests are just random quests that deals with the NPC's personal requests.

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For such a new game, it's incredibly hard to get started. I've applied to legions, I've asked in game for help, I've asked in game for legions/friends... nothing. Maybe it's my server (Castor), but they aren't a friendly bunch :(

Try AionSource if you still need legions. Some might no longer recruit in case they're full (yeah it's kind of annoying that they have limit of people in legions, but more moneysink I guess)

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- On that note, the chat bar does basically suck. You can't read it, it goes by too fast, there's too many options/tabs to use to make it worthwhile, and if you try to separate it so that you can see what you want to, it blocks your screen. XI worked perfectly for me, I can't see what would need to be improved.

It fairly depends on what you want to see. I do suggest a lot of filtering and creating your own customized tabs. Separate combat tab if you want to see them because combat is the only one that goes very quick due to the much speedier battle system than FFXI.

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Titles giving stat boosts. Nice idea, but after seeing the 800th "Settler of Aion" person in 5 minutes, I was a bit fed up of it.

I hide titles. While it's nice, I find most of them are too long and eating up space on my screen. It doesn't look nice so I hide them and just show username and legion name.

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Lack of RMT. For such a new game, it really is RMT-free.

I guess it's only RMT-free for the last few days. Prior to that, it's full of RMT chat spam lol. So it's good that you aren't as troubled now, it shows that we're progressing and we're getting somewhere with this battle against RMT spam.

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Seriously, one quest I did in Aion was "kill 5 birds because I need a new pen". What the f*ck? I know some XI quests are a bit bizarre, but come on. Was that a "let's see if people read these things" quest?

By any chance that quest requires you to kill birds for their feathers to be used as pen?

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The wonderful thing about Aion is that if you are in an area that is too crowded with players, you can simply change channels.

Just reminding again that not all areas are like that. PvP areas would only have 1 channel to prevent people jumping channels.
#156 Oct 25 2009 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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Hey Vaagan :D

Well, I've been playing it for a bit longer... here's my experiences:

When I first started I created an Asmodian Sorcerer (Dark Side, BLM, basically). It never really felt right.

So, today, I've switched servers and made an Elyos Gladiator (Light Side, WAR). It feels so much more fun, the scenery isn't as depressing, and weirdly enough everyone is nicer on this side, or so it seems. I think I just prefer this job and prefer working for the light side. Which is weird, because I've always played dark side in games like KOTOR, Mass Effect, etc. Different strokes for different folks.

Regarding the chat log, I found out how to make the text larger (lol) and split it so I have combat on one box and chat channels on another. It's not perfect but for now it does the job.

I haven't figured out how to hide titles yet. EDIT: It's in the options menu. Duh. And it really helps. REALLY.

And what you (and Tummie, I guess I missed his post, I didn't read the whole thing) have both said about the quests fills me with hope. I really wasn't thrilled by the 3 or 4 cutscenes I'd seen, all about 5 seconds long.

I'll take a look at AionSource when I get a chance.

Edited, Oct 26th 2009 12:01am by Likibiki
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#157 Oct 25 2009 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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To anyone who is curious about the game do not listen to the OP because it is really bias and at some part simply untrue. An old LS buddy of mine put it best when he said it was like WoW and FFXI had a kid. It has elements from both.

As for the Gold Farmer spam, the lastest patch has stopped it for now and GM's are finally getting active on deleting GF characters.
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#158 Oct 26 2009 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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I have not made up my mind to choose which game to play yet. FFXI more interesting?
#159 Oct 26 2009 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Saraaaa wrote:
I have not made up my mind to choose which game to play yet. FFXI more interesting?

It really depends on what you're looking for from the game.

FFXI is more group-based game where it's great if you do have the group to go do stuff with, but can also be frustrating when you don't. FFXI in general takes longer to do stuff (leveling up, crafting, farming, etc), but at the same time might offer more satisfaction when achieving the goal.

FFXI is pretty much a PvE MMORPG with very minimal and unpopular PvP aspect.

Aion is more solo-friendly where you're able to progress quicker in general, but at the same time, it's a new game that many people are still trying to do stuff in trial-n-error method. Aion is still trying to find the happy medium about the game itself and by no means a finished product for the time being. Not in a sense that it doesn't have enough content, but more in a sense that NCSoft is still trying to see what the Western players are looking for in the game.

Aion is a PvPvE MMORPG with quite heavy PvP element in the game.

If you don't mind PvP or PvE, then your time availability would be the main factor. If you have a lot of time to play in longer blocks, both games would suit you well. If you have less time to play and/or in shorter blocks, Aion might be more beneficial to play.
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I think I just prefer this job and prefer working for the light side. Which is weird, because I've always played dark side in games like KOTOR, Mass Effect, etc.


That's because the Elyos ARE the dark side, they just look pretty. Arrogant jerks :p
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#161 Oct 26 2009 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think I just prefer this job and prefer working for the light side. Which is weird, because I've always played dark side in games like KOTOR, Mass Effect, etc.


That's because the Elyos ARE the dark side, they just look pretty. Arrogant jerks :p


Ah, I love it when games reflect real life ;-)
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#162 Oct 26 2009 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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I have not made up my mind to choose which game to play yet. FFXI more interesting?


If you aren't playing XI already, I'd quite honestly advise you not to start. It's an old game, and its customer base is waning slowly. You'll find it very hard to get anywhere.

With the release of XIV some time next year, you'd be better off waiting for that to come out if you want to play a FF MMO (it looks like it'll be similar to XI, play wise, but with all shiny new buttons and all the things they've learned work/don't work).

If you want to try an MMO, try Aion. It's new, it's fresh, and you'll find out if PvP is for you. If it is, then you've found a good game. If not, you'll know that waiting for XIV is worth it :)
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#163 Oct 26 2009 at 6:07 PM Rating: Default
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Likibiki wrote:
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I think I just prefer this job and prefer working for the light side. Which is weird, because I've always played dark side in games like KOTOR, Mass Effect, etc.


That's because the Elyos ARE the dark side, they just look pretty. Arrogant jerks :p


Ah, I love it when games reflect real life ;-)

The funny thing is that before the launch of the game, many said that Elyos are the carebear ones where people love PvE and no PvP, and how the Asmodians would easily pwn the Elyos. But at the moment, at least on my server, Elyos' contribution for PvP is miles ahead of Asmodian's. Of course fortress changes hands regularly, but I haven't seen Asmo dominating my server as often as Elyos did. I can't wait to see what it's like once there are more and more higher level players competing at the top.
#164 Oct 26 2009 at 9:07 PM Rating: Decent
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If you want to know what the Aion grind is like, it's like playing solo (and not as BST) pre-xp band, pre-EP/DC xp boost, and pre-FoV. Sure, you can group but the xp is even worse. Does that sound fun? Not to me.

Wow another one who made comments without knowing what they're talking about.

LV1-10: very quick, very easy to be done, doing Ascension quest at 9 gives full EXP to 10 upon completion.
LV10-25: just keep on doing quests/campaigns and a few repeats here and there, should be easy enough to get there.
LV25-onwards: not as many quests available, but gains the ability to enter instances in which you can easily get A LOT of EXP in there when in group (e.g.: entering Training Ground at 25 can give you around 80% EXP to 26) so that you'd only need to do little questing outside the instance to level up. And so on.

NCSoft also already mentioned about the plan to increase EXP reward from quests, as well as adding further higher level quests to help make leveling up even easier in the future. Plus, there's always the Energy of Repose available too. To say that EXP is worse than pre-EXP band in FFXI is just way too silly.


It's not silly at all, it is like that. I got 3 characters past 20 and one to lvl 30 so I know. You forgot to mention that the Training Camp has a 18 hour lockout and is the only instance to offer bonus xp. Every other grouping effort results in far less xp than you get solo grinding.
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If they had a free trial (haven't seen one anywhere) I might check it out. However, after all that I have read here there is no way in hell I would pay money to play this. I'll just stick with Eve for now.
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It's not silly at all, it is like that. I got 3 characters past 20 and one to lvl 30 so I know. You forgot to mention that the Training Camp has a 18 hour lockout and is the only instance to offer bonus xp. Every other grouping effort results in far less xp than you get solo grinding.

18-hour cooldown for Training Ground is nothing compared to the EXP it offered to the player. My point is that from 25 to 29, you can do Training Ground whenever you're allowed to, and then only need little questing outside that to level up. Thus, minimizing the "grinding".

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If you want to know what the Aion grind is like, it's like playing solo (and not as BST) pre-xp band, pre-EP/DC xp boost, and pre-FoV. Sure, you can group but the xp is even worse. Does that sound fun? Not to me.

Playing solo in FFXI not as BST pre-exp band, pre-EP/DC xp boost, and pre-FoV would see you probably gaining 1500EXP/hr. To get to 75, you'd need 845,350 EXP (after the LV50+ TNL nerf). So we're looking at around 563.5 hours of soloing. That's about 23 days of full 24hr/day play.

In Aion, two players reached level 50 within the first 17 days of the game, and they didn't even play 24hr/day. They simply did it by grouping with their friends up to 46 doing the quests they could find and complete, then duoed their way to 50.

Do explain how "grinding" in Aion is like soloing in FFXI not as BST pre-xp band, pre-EP/DC xp boost, and pre-FoV. I'm waiting for the answer.

The funny thing is that despite claiming that grinding in Aion doesn't sound fun to you, you leveled up 3 different characters to 20 and 30. Are you just ********* then? I wouldn't bother playing a game that isn't fun, let alone repeating and leveling up 3 different times.
#167 Oct 27 2009 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Do explain how "grinding" in Aion is like soloing in FFXI not as BST pre-xp band, pre-EP/DC xp boost, and pre-FoV. I'm waiting for the answer.


Now, let's be real..

Aion is your typical Grind MMO that's notorious with Chinese/Korean developers. Outside of FFXI and WoW, most MMOs have a horrid grind which when compared to FFXI, that was a realistic comparison. Before all of these exp bands, change in exp table and etc in FFXI, the grind still wasn't as bad as it is in a lot of K/C MMOs which yes counts Aion.





#168 Oct 27 2009 at 9:25 AM Rating: Default
1 thing is paying 50 bucks then 15 per month for an online game and be gently asked to grind yourself from level 1 to level max because its the fastest way. ****-Movie Storylines and close to no interaction with other ppl.

Another thing is paying the same to play with other people from level 1 (or 10/12-max) since your going for an online game. With nice cutscenes that explains the reason your doing those missions and quests and bind the story with some sense.

Some people just want to pay for online games and play offline. That's why WOW has 10 mil players.

Edited, Oct 27th 2009 11:26am by MclarenTAGPorsche
#169 Oct 27 2009 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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The thing is... the game's been out for 3 months and people are complaining that they can't exp fast enough?

That seems a little bit wrong to me.

I'm enjoying it more now that I'm Elyos, and that I have a legion (linkshell), but I'm really hoping for more story to appear, or for PvP to inspire me. At the moment it all seems a little pointless.

It's fun, though. I do recommend it. You get a free month, when you buy the game.
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#170 Oct 27 2009 at 2:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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MclarenTAGPorsche wrote:
1 thing is paying 50 bucks then 15 per month for an online game and be gently asked to grind yourself from level 1 to level max because its the fastest way. ****-Movie Storylines and close to no interaction with other ppl.

Another thing is paying the same to play with other people from level 1 (or 10/12-max) since your going for an online game. With nice cutscenes that explains the reason your doing those missions and quests and bind the story with some sense.


Compare that to FFXI for the PS2 which was $99 (You had to pay for the box set which came with the HDD) $12.99 monthly fee, and at the time, get to level 50 and get stuck on LB1 because a majority of the NA's were 50 and all stuck on LB1 and you'd have large alliances of level 50's camping Lichs.

Aion is still fairly new and the Devs have expressed their desire to add more exp rewards from quests and add more quests. I think that people should give the game a year before they can write a true review of the game itself.
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The thing is... the game's been out for 3 months and people are complaining that they can't exp fast enough?

That seems a little bit wrong to me.



I "heard" from other people that Aion was released awhile ago, just not in our region. So wouldn't that mean the game has been out for longer than 3 months? I mean we did count the launch of FFXI by the JP version, right?
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Now, let's be real..

Aion is your typical Grind MMO that's notorious with Chinese/Korean developers. Outside of FFXI and WoW, most MMOs have a horrid grind which when compared to FFXI, that was a realistic comparison.

Now let's be real, you've never played Aion, have you? You fall to the same trap as many non-players for just generalizing Aion into typical K-MMORPG that is well known as grindfest MMORGP. If you've actually played Aion, you'll realize that Aion uses quest-based system like WoW and nowhere near the grindfest that is like other K-MMORPGs. Might not even be as close to FFXI at all actually.

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Before all of these exp bands, change in exp table and etc in FFXI, the grind still wasn't as bad as it is in a lot of K/C MMOs which yes counts Aion.

Just because you enjoy the grinding in FFXI doesn't mean that it isn't as bad as Aion's grinding. Just because Aion is K-MMORPG doesn't mean that it's the same in terms of grinding as other K-MMORPGs. Generalization is not a good thing.

I'll put it this way, in Aion, you get A LOT of free EXPs. When you craft, you get EXP. When you gather, you get EXP. When you complete quests, you get EXP. When you login after logout for a while, you get 20%EXP/kill bonus for a while.

Compare that to getting 50EXP/kill of DC mob back then in FFXI, the comparison is laughable. Either you don't know about Aion, or you have no idea about FFXI.

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1 thing is paying 50 bucks then 15 per month for an online game and be gently asked to grind yourself from level 1 to level max because its the fastest way. ****-Movie Storylines and close to no interaction with other ppl.

Again, another one that doesn't actually know about Aion. I'm so sad that many people seem to just assume things about something without actually knowing what they're talking about.

In Aion, it's even explicitly mentioned in the quest log which ones are aimed for group-based quest by the [Group] tag. To say that close to no interaction with other people is borderline idiotic. Especially when you'd need other people, not only for the PvE instances and group-based quests, but also the PvP aspect of the game too.

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The thing is... the game's been out for 3 months and people are complaining that they can't exp fast enough?

The people who are complaining that they can't exp fast enough are those who got the "I've already achieved max level in other MMORPG so everything feels slow starting from level 1 again" syndrome. These guys are level 75 in FFXI and seem to miss that if they start from scratch again from level 1, it'd take them way longer to get to 75 (and massively even longer if they actually planned to keep their gear updated due to the time required for farming/camping). These people have no idea that in Aion, in general you get enough money from just doing the quests, and selling the loot. Thus, allowing people to progress to higher level almost without any delay whatsoever.

In FFXI, "leveling up to max" itself is already a "challenge". In Aion, the challenge isn't the leveling up, but the content of the game (e.g.: PvP, instances, boss fights, etc).

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I "heard" from other people that Aion was released awhile ago, just not in our region. So wouldn't that mean the game has been out for longer than 3 months? I mean we did count the launch of FFXI by the JP version, right?

Aion has been out for about a year in Korea, and only one month for Western Aion.

Regarding the EXP progress though, I really can't agree with people complaining that it's slow or grindy when two Western players reached max level within the first 17 days of the Western Aion launch. And again, they did it by being in static group of 6 until level 46 to basically do all the quests (including the group based ones), then they duoed their way to 50. So nowhere about the stupid "solo grind with no interaction with other player" crap at all actually. Did they grind? I'm sure they did it somewhat, but not to the point where it's stupidly relying on the grind itself.
#173 Oct 27 2009 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Game came out in Korea in 2008 and you could only play on Korean Servers. The reason why people don't count that first year is because people like myself like to count from when the game goes Global. We get to see how the company deals with issues that occur during launch for each of the regions and how they handle things from there on out. So far they have been somewhat vocal about player concerns within this first month which is always a plus.
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Seriously, you won't be @#%^ing happy until SE releases a full sized Bahamut avatar you can @#%^ing ride and use to kill players that annoy you, one shot AV/PW/Shinryuu, and burn the FFXI nations to the @#%^ing ground for fun. All while actually restoring mp used instead of costing any.

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