FFXI, Aion, and what you should know.Follow

Aion fanboy sited! You honestly make me want to vomit. Once again, people completely contorting things to make them sound differently than they actually are.



I'm level 24 now, I've not experienced any of the game? Really? Well what's all this I've experienced up to this point for 2-3 weeks that has me a bit frustrated? What is that eh? And PvP? Really? I've actually done a few rift parties, I've done plenty of duels, I've ganked some people from opposing factions, and I've done some Arena PvP. Nope, I haven't been to the Abyss or experienced what the true PvP of this game is, but saying I've experienced none? Again, another one of you fools showing your foolishness.



You can change the size of it, yes. That's not really the problem. The problem IS the transparency issue. I'm glad it's easy for fanboys to get use to. Don't get me wrong, I've gotten use to it myself, but it's indeed annoying, hard to impossible to read at times depending on your location, and the text will disappear until you do a mouse over at times, which is not what you need to be concentrating on when in a epic battle. The best thing is there's no options to change any of this.



More lies and ********* They pop up about once every hour or so now, and that's if you have ALL the previous ones blocked. If you sign on during a new day or are new, you will need to need to block 5-10 of them, while they're spamming so fast with such large messages that you have to really be careful and scroll up and find all their names. This is as of right now, it has gotten better, but it was MUCH worse when the game was first released. Saying this isn't true is just being a lying ******* and going against something everyone knows as a fact, it was a DIRE problem and was extremely bad, but has indeed gotten better.

I got three pieces of new mail today from gold spammers, and four yesterday. That's just in two days on one character. I'm glad that you've gotten lucky and haven't had to deal with it, I and several of my other friends have.




Once again, some one making the "There's always idiots" and "The grass isn't greener on the other side" argument. Yes, it's the internet, yes, FFXI is full of idiots, but usually when you sign on FFXI you don't go to whitegate to see spam flying by at the speed of light, talking about Men Vs. Women, Religion Vs. Atheism, WoW Vs. Aion, and few other choice arguments. I've even seen E-thugging and all kinds of other completely unbelievable things in the general chat channel.

Last night people were simply cussing eachother out, dropping the F-bomb right and left, telling eachother how big their magic sticks were and threatening each other to spam their e-mails with them. Turns out it was because some one lost a duel. This is common place in things I see daily on Aion. Why the **** would I make any of that up?

Did I also not give the disclaimer that there are indeed helpful and nice folks? I have some great friends on Aion and a great legion as well. Why are you even arguing this when I admit full well to it? Why? Because you like arguing, you're trying to present yourself with as many cases as possible and trying to make everything I say look like some horrible thing and paint a pretty picture over it. I'm simply trying to give people the truth, while you give them a load of ****.



You're right, at higher there is a lot of group content, but there's also a ton of people who simply don't have to do it and don't understand the concept of it. Especially till you get to the later levels. And even at that, they kind of "throw it onto you" which I've not experienced, but makes me wonder how well a lot of the people end game understand the concept. Once again, it's a solo-friendly and PvP-friendly game, so even mentioning that grouping would be as strong as it is in a game like FFXI shows everyone exactly what you are lying about or don't understand.



I remember a long time ago, Gil-Seller parties in valkurm dunes. Anyone else remember these? I also remember Gil-Seller leveling parties in different areas. They were annoying, but there was usually never more than 1-3 of them partying in a zone at any given time. However I've not seen this for years in FFXI. Now, imagine if the gil sellers weren't even sitting at their PC, they had a bot and the bot told their character "Find closest target > Attack and spam skills till it is dead > rest to full HP" and were all over the place. The most annoying part is that they will attack a mob you're already attacking which ruins your EXP gain.

Like I said, if anyone doesn't believe me go out to Theomobos for awhile.



You sure CAN level 1-10 naked, just fine. You can in any MMO usually. That's not the point. People would LIKE different armor, to see their toon progress and change it's look a little bit. That's the fun of a MMORPG, and the fun of leveling and getting higher. You get to see your progress take shape. If you aren't seeing this progress it can make things a bit more dull.

People don't usually even sell lowbie armor on the broker either, not to mention you can't use the broker till level 10 anyways. At that point, that's when you can get that npc set of gear, and the broker gear is usually around level 12+ but yes, at that point you can buy from the broker. Earlier on though? You either buy from the npc, you get lucky and find some one with the type of armor you want in a private store (which is very rare, for them to have just what you're needing or looking for) or you go at it naked or in the starter level 1 gear. Once again, this makes for slightly boring game-play for people starting out.

And about the green/blue gear? I'm happy with ANY armor that would simply look different, not mattering what "color" gear it was.

And for the record, when I got my first character to level 10 I had 7,000 Kinah, after fee's and doing all the quests, as well as selling stuff out of a private store and npc'ing things.



Speaking of challenging, why hasn't this site that everyone seems to worship updated their campaign quests past level... 25...!?... Some of them have info, some simply give the exp reward and item reward and don't tell you a thing about where to go or what to do. Not ALL of the campaign quests, but some of them. Hmm, what a great database!



Didn't I already say that in one of my many disclaimers that you have ignored?



Average? Are you serious? They don't even properly read or follow the text to what they're saying some times. They stop their sentences abruptly, they talk way to soft, and they sound like they're shy people reading lines off a piece of paper for the first time ever. Not to mention the PC character voices. Try making a Elyos Female, and give her the "Youth" voice, then try attacking something. Listen to her battle sounds. It's the most horrible and hysterical thing you've ever heard.

The only one fapping to anything is you and the enormous ***** you seem to have for NCsoft. Even most people who play this game and enjoy it will admit to the voice over problems. The storylines are indeed interesting some times if you read them. Sadly it's a little piece of notebook style paper that pops up with about 2-20 walls of text for you to read through without showing any cut scene. The times there ARE cut scenes, which are few and far between, they are short, god awful, and merely a camera flying up to a enemy or over a landscape.



I never said anything about MISSING the reward, or that that was or is a problem. Stop twisting the story to give yourself an argument. Be more pro-active? I happened to sign on my mule that day, to check and see if some armor of mine had sold. I was not pro-active and didn't spot it because I see a question mark at the bottom of my screen, not knowing what it is, read a little blurb and click "thank you"? Your logic fails as much as you do.

No, they didn't take something from me, but again you're missing a point. It's a poor system setup not to warn people or give them an option as to what character they'd like to receive an item like that on. And you never got something for nothing from SE? Ohh please, stop with the ********* It's called an anniversery ring. They even gave it to each of your characters, and were kind enough to let you know not to drop it and what to do with it. Something NCsoft failed to do.

And I'm the one fapping like a fanboy? Haha. What a joke.



If they banned every gil seller on every server, why do I still get some whispers and random spam in the general channel? Also, these exp bots with the names "Xingiao" "Xuengchi" "Afgskgsh" and "Quiooou" with no titles, no legions, who mindlessly run around attacking mobs for days at a time in droves, are just normal players right? Okay, gotcha. Also don't forget your hypocritical argument which you only use on cases you wish to present.

Aion is only a month old as far as NA servers go. Let's see what the RMT on it conjure up within 6-7 years of time, and how what they do at that time compares to Square Enix.



Smoother and more fun? I've basically been doing nothing but killing random mobs solo for these weeks of time since I bought the game, with a few interesting quests, missions, pvp thrown in. However 95% of my time has simply been killing "X amount" of "X mob". Over, and over, and over. In the same kind of way, in the same kind of places. At least in FFXI you get to move around, you get to experience party dynamics, and there are interesting missions, quests, cut scenes, and more variety to explore.

[quote]Did I mention if you die, Aion gives you an option to buy the XP you lost back? It gets expensive later on, but you get lots more money later on too, so it's almost always worth the price. And if that option bothers you, you can pass - it's optional whether you pay for the death with money or xp.[/quote]

Once again, if you DON'T buy it back (by using the soul healer) your Rez timer goes up. Each time you die it goes up higher, meaning weakness lasts longer. Do you want to wait 10 minutes for your weakness to wear? And then when you do decide to soul heal, instead of it costing 3-4k it costs 20-30k?

[quote]- Kinah and NPC Prices -

Soul healing is optional, idiot.[/quote]

Looks like some one is getting a bit flustered and mad. Calm down, it's just the internet ;)

[quote]And it's cheap too.[/quote]

See above.

[quote]NPC prices are pretty reasonable, and drops NPC for far more than they do in FFXI. Money is so easy to come by it's not even funny.[/quote]

And you say I exaggerate? Teleport fee's cost about 600-4000 Kinah per teleport, depending on where you're going to and from, and averages about 2000. You're right, you can NPC drops for a bit more in Aion than FFXI, but again, they drain the money out of you a lot faster. I also wouldn't say it's so easy it's not even funny.

[quote]Rez weakness is about a minute, not "like 10".[/quote]

That's IF you get the soul healing. It goes up and up and up each time you DON'T get the soul healing. I was saying what happens if you go a long time without having your soul healed.

[quote]And it wears off if you decide to take the soul healing. Far better than 5 minute weakened timer in FFXI, and the weakness penalty is a lot less severe than FFXI's for the one minute you're weakened. And it's not 30k, my cost for 3 deaths to get all my lost xp back was 13k earlier today on my level 25 char.[/quote]

That's THREE deaths, also see above.



[quote]- What About the fun parts of Aion? -

Aion is way more fast-paced than FFXI. You spend far less time sitting on your butt waiting for HP and MP, and far more time killing. There are more skills to use, and shorter cooldown timers for everything, so you spend les time watching your character swing and more time actively doing something. You don't have to sit around whitegate with your flag up all the time because all the jobs can solo pretty effectively.[/quote]

You're right. It is more "fast paced" in the fact that you're constantly doing something. However, when that something is killing the same thing or type of thing for so long, you begin wishing you were back in whitegate.

Also the skills? Yes, they are pretty, and nice, and fancy, and you can use them more often than in FFXI. But after awhile, it just becomes endless button mashing, and takes less strategy than the actions you use in FFXI and how you use them.

[quote]Endgame is very balanced, with most jobs being good at PVP in some way or another. Tanks, DDs, even healers are all potent PVP jobs if played properly. The events are fun (though a little buggy still at times), and PVP keeps things interesting since you aren't just playing against predictable AI all the time.[/quote]

Ahahaha. I wish I could find that video on youtube (anyone is welcome to find it for me) of the abyss champion guy, who's a level 50 cleric and had that champion buff. I forget what it was, but it was on a korean server. He went around the abyss basically AOE 2-3 shotting DROVES of level 50 characters without taking a dent.

Mind you, that was a very rare case. PvP is semi balanced, but go ask a templar or gladiator how easy of a time they have 1v1 with a cleric or a good sorcerer.

[quote]You can accomplish a lot in Aion in an hour or so, I don't know what leads you to think you need 10 hours/day.[/quote]

A lot as in, 1/10th a level of grinding (level 20+)? Perhaps some quests, or missions, which will involve even more grinding?

[quote]I guess if you want max level in 2 weeks or something then sure, but what's the hurry? There is a lot to do in this game besides XP on the way to 50, unlike FFXI where the game is just grinding in xp parties until 75. Lots of midlevel instances and dungeon areas, etc.[/quote]

This is the most hysterical thing you said. EVERYTHING in Aion is centered around grinding. Even the gathering, and crafting. What do you do along the way? Quests? Missions? Which involve more grinding? EXP? Which involves more grinding? Grinding crafting or gathering? It's honestly pretty boring along the way. I will say, the fun part is when you start doing instances, bosses, abyss, and PvP later on, it can be fun, but till then? Good luck.

In FFXI at least you are learning aspects of the story, you are getting new types of armor, and there are instances that people fail to remember that you're doing the entire way through, in FFXI. There's plenty of exploring to do as well, and plenty of fun things to be had. Saying FFXI is just a grind but Aion is not, just shows you're complete bias towards Aion how how incredibly wrong you are.

[quote]I give this review a 3/10. Maybe you should actually learn how the game works and how to play before trying to give an informed decision on it.[/quote]

"LERN2PLAY NUB!!1111" etc etc? I've been playing for a couple weeks, and this has been my experience so far. Sorry if I'm not 1337 enough.

I give your brain a 3/10.

Oh and one thing i think makes me shy away from most other MMOs is the idea of "PVP-Zones" that you have to do stuff in.

Now if i could walk into a PVP-Zone and flip a little option in the option menu that says "Non-PVP", which would prevent people from attacking me, and me from attacking people i would totally be ok with that (with some boundaries on how it could be used so as not be use to prevent from losing a fight, like once you zone if you don't activate it within 5 minutes, you're fare-game, and once you activate it you're locked in for an hour or something)

But to force me to play in PVP zones where ********* can ruin my experience just for the hell of it... hell goddamn no, that's just stupid.

You don't have to like the game. I'm okay with that, really. But you are taking this way too personally. I loved FFXI and I enjoy Aion a great deal, so I feel like your "review" is more than a little misleading. There's also a great deal of vitriol coming from others as well that just really want to hate the game and everyone who derives any enjoyment from it.

For what it's worth, I'll throw in some of my counters to the OP's points, reformatted to save some space and eliminate some redundancy.

1) Aion is apparently bad because you fight the same monster over and over again.
- You don't run out of quests that easily. I've leveled 3 chars to the mid 20s, and I have never run out of quests. From what I can gather, the average person doesn't seem to run out of quests until the 40s. You must be either skipping areas or ignoring group quests/campaigns. This is especially true if you don't spend every second trying to get xp. You get quests from crafting and gathering as well. Breaking up the xp grind is the key to happiness in both FFXI and Aion.
- FFXI XP, from 1-75, is nothing but killing the same monsters over and over for 2+ hour sets. What makes this fun is the party dynamic, but if you're doing party areas (in addition to instances) in Aion, you have the SAME party dynamic that FFXI has. Your own claim that bad party members are making bad parties is proof of that. It's just like Valkurm Dunes parties used to be. No one has a lot of abilities and they don't know how to use the ones they have. When you're in a good group it's really fun.

2) The Community is blah blah WoW
- This is a new game with a lot of people from other areas of the MMO world and they are all bringing their different attitudes, expectations, and hopes with them. Pretty much all of them want Aion to be the +1 version of their favorite game, so they all get pissy when its not and start attacking it. (I enter this thread into the evidence.) In a couple of months, the people that are actually enjoying the game and are taking it seriously will still be around while the impatient WoW/EQ/FFXI "fanboys" will be gone. This is normal for MMOs and there is no point in crying about it. Maybe it will be full of racist, sexist children, but it's too early to call.
- Global chat channels are your enemy in any MMO. If you've never turned off /shout in Jeuno then you've clearly not played FFXI very long. Turn it off. The chat system is very customizable. I'm sorry if you haven't figured it all out yet, but the ONLY thing you can't customize is the chat box background.

3) The armor doesn't progress fast enough/fun enough.
- You "might" be able to make this case when comparing Aion to a few other MMOs, but FFXI doesn't have a leg to stand on here. For each type of armor you can use in the starting areas(cloth, leather, chain), there are at least 3 armor tracks(that's 9 separate armor tracks, for those keeping track). You can buy armor from the vendor, get drops, or get it from doing the quests. You can get 3 complete sets this way, from 1-10. Then, if you like, you can go to the AH and try to get the "best" gear.
Need I remind everyone of all of the armor options for FFXI from 1-10? There's about 1 1/2 cloth tracks and 2ish melee tracks. And if you take out the level 1 gear, then it becomes even more scarce. Personally, I don't consider this to be a big deal, but for some reason its a major concern as soon as we're talking about Aion.

4) Money is too hard to make
- This really makes me question what version of FFXI you've been playing. Money in Aion is pretty well internally balanced. But, more importantly, the crafting system and drop system/rates make it so that several decent alternatives are available pretty much for every level. Yes, some people are jacking the prices right now. Anyone that's every tried to buy a gobbiebag quest item right after the quest came out will acknowledge that some people will pay any price to have something right now. But patient people will also tell you that prices will go down eventually. On top of this, as I already said, pretty much every level has a few good alternatives, so you're not pigeonholed into buying a Hauby or SH.

5) PvP in Aion is...
- We're talking about FFXI again, right? Not an issue. You can pretty much avoid it entirely if you really want too. There is a slight chance that you will get ganked, but there is no penalty if killed in PvP, so it's not a huge concern. That said, it is intended to be a PvP(vE) game. If you despise PvP, then you will probably not be happy with Aion at some point. I'm okay with that, too.

6) SE > NC Soft
- This is truly "LOL" worthy.



W..what are you talking about..? This game version is about a month old. What major changes are you talking about? They haven't had time to implement a change, let alone give people time to respond and then alter it.
At this point, I consider SE and NC Soft's business side customer service to be about equal. Good luck if you have an off time issue. However, if you get an in game GM in Aion, they do have more power than the script pasting ones in FFXI. Most importantly, they have already directly addressed some of the community's biggest beefs. One being the queue times and the other being the RMT spam.(It is now as gone as it can possibly be, and probably better than FFXI.) How long did it take SE to fix the 2 handed update?

For the most part, I consider Aion to take all the things I liked best from EQ2 and FFXI while leaving behind most of the problems. The one thing that I wish Aion would pick up from FFXI a bit more is a more story driven campaign system. For me, it would add a great deal of immersion to my gaming experience. My favorite part of FFXI is the missions, but in Aion there isn't much more story than "You've lost your memory. There's a war going on." I'm hopeful that this picks up as I get to higher levels. Even the missions tend to be boring at the beginning.

I certainly am not claiming that Aion is definitively better than FFXI, but it is game that I and many others find enjoyable at this time. I'm willing to be patient and see what they can do. Hell, I gave FFXI 6 years... OK, maybe I shouldn't be quite THAT patient.


Edited, Oct 21st 2009 12:11am by imbtrthnur

Edited, Oct 21st 2009 2:10am by imbtrthnur

The game is much better than this nerdragerant review lets on. Some people may not like it, but others will. If you want a easy game where you can get to level cap in a week, play WoW. You want a game that provides a not too difficult challenge and offers some rewarding achievements play Aion.

The RMT problem is slowly going away. It's been 3-4 days and I haven't heard a peep out of them. They are working towards fixing the problem. I don't expect an overnight fix and no one else should either. RMT have been around for years they aren't gonna be gone in one day like people are expecting.

Wow, I have a friking life. That has to be the stupidest thing ever, right? Forgive me for having to work, take care of real life responsibilities, and having more to do than just a video game. Maybe you'll know what it's like some day.

I think Ultimego was responding to the idiot who posted above him, suggesting that it is stupid to say someone has no idea how to play based on their progress:time ratio.

Btw, I loved the review, I wont be playing another MMO in a hurry after FFXI, but I got a REAL good laugh, I even youtubed some of the voice overs because you made it sound so funny. Hilarity!

And that aspect of the grind argument will also be old when quests are patched up.

Let me put it this way: NCSoft realized a legitimate issue players were having and they're fixing it. Not a year later. Not seven years later.

If you want to call the grind itself a bonehead move, then I'd like to reference back to the FFXI 2H update. Too much? Well, 1H would certainly agree. Deliberately done and set to scaled back? Hmm, now that's a mystery.

Something a week long beta or even multiples of them can't really prove is the comfort level in which people level. Sure, the hardcores will be up there in no time, but just as I would say for FFXI, they're not the ones devs should be catering to, especially if you could have a game with millions of subscribers instead of a few hundred thousand.

So, I dunno. People like to complain about not having a voice in FFXI. How well our voices get heard in Aion still remains to be seen, but I'd say so far we're getting more than automated replies or the ever classic "We'll look into it..." from an interview.

I'd also like to point out the EXP bands in FFXI likely came out as a response to WoW's rested EXP bonuses. While Aion, in effect, has pretty much ripped off both, them being there isn't bad.

This is an interesting point, and at times, also the reason why I'm confused with FFXI players. Not exactly the players themselves, I guess, but more about the human nature. Most FFXI players will somehow mention "Party play" as a good thing if you ask them to list things in FFXI that they like. But at the same time, most FFXI players will also want FFXI to be more solo-friendly and casual player friendly. Party play and solo-friendly are opposite of each other, and if a game offers both options, it is often that the solo option is the one being taken by the players because it's more convenient. In FFXI, we can see that since the introduction of Campaign, the number of EXP PT and people LFP came down quite significantly (union loot doesn't help either). Even the popular imp camp at Caedarva Mires can sometimes be totally empty on weekends prime time. Not always, but it's definitely almost always full if Campaign didn't exist. This is despite the fact that EXP PT still gives more EXP than Campaign, or FoV, or solo whatever. Yet, the EXP PT number already goes down to show that some people prefer "convenience" of solo play rather than "efficiency of EXP gain" from EXP PT.

Sorry to go off-topic a bit here, but sometimes I wonder whether FFXI players would actually like FFXIV or not if FFXIV is even more solo-friendly than FFXI. Would they actually dislike FFXIV for being too solo-friendly and too casual-friendly that the core of party play is being put aside by the players.


This is the second thing that most FFXI players would also list in the good things about FFXI. Most will mention the community. But then my next question, is it actually really true? When people say "community", do they actually mean the whole FFXI playerbase as the community or simply just their LS members and/or a few strangers? The thing is this, even in forums, we see drama/arguments all the time. HNM camping, you see botters and LSs fighting each other. Then despite all the good stuff about party play, I'm sure that everyone has whined to their LS that there's someone in their party that sucked (e.g.: wearing gimp gear, doesn't know how to use JA properly, no Refresh, no Haste, pulling slow, tank can't hold hate, DD's concerned with e-peen and WS after pull, etc). And so on. Yet, most people would love the LS that they're in. But does that actually really mean the "community" is great? How often do you actually do stuff with other LS? We very rarely, if ever, see two different LS working together side by side. Many people avoid pick-up-groups when doing quests/missions in FFXI. Same thing with popped NMs to the point where so many people have experienced the "okay we have 7 people needing O-hat/whatever, but people left after 4 pops" stories. You also have people complaining about AH price. If you're trying to sell stuff, you curse the people who kept on undercutting you. If you're trying to buy stuff, you curse the people who kept on inflating price because their item is the only one up on AH. And so on. Many more things that you curse about FFXI that are caused by other fellow players. I know I've done all those.

So again, is the community as a whole really that great?

I'm not saying that FFXI is crap. I love the game, and I love the people in my LS like family. But as a whole community? I'm not quite so sure. It might better than WoW or other MMORPG, but is it because FFXI's community really THAT GOOD? or just because others' are just really THAT BAD?

I've always been interested in these two points, so I'm really interested to see some feedback on these if possible.

RL card time?

I have work, from 9-5 and I have a 4 year old kid that I take sole responsibility for. Not counting dance classes on weekends, cooking meals and going to school. Wanna try again? No I don't play at work and I still go to bed at a rough decent time mostly around 12 AM. Sooo try again.

"Hey guys, thanks for inviting me to your party. What? No I don't have the teleport-altep crystal, can you wait for me? I'll meet you guys at the desert. How do I get there again?"

"Let's go to azouph staging point camp."
"Uh 10 minutes until boat gets here."

"I can't wait to get prommy-holla done. This is my 10th try. No I don't have poison potions, those are too expensive."

"Ok thanks for coming to help guys. I gotta go look up the cutscenes on the internet and get those done real quick. Give me 45 minutes..."

(after 3 hours seeking while I fish/afk/watch tv) "hey party?'
"sure, i'll be there in a min"
"oh ur a thf lol? can u change to ur sam? we need a dd"

"You need to fight that monster or you will be jailed"
"I'm a beastmaster, it's my pet..."

Also this just in, there is no spam in Whitegate, no brogame tells, and never required you to kill the same mobs over and over again to level up.

Further kudos to FFXI for having 10,000 pieces of gear that no one with a brain uses, which is way better than 1 or 2 sets of gear every 5 levels that are useful.

Everyone in FFXI is very friendly, until you ask them to help you with something. Credit to the guys in whitegate shouting for help with cop 6-4, I think this is the second week I've seen them trying to get a group together. It's true that games are very challenging when you can't even play them because no one will come help you, but is that really what you want to spend your time doing?

The Fabulous FFXI Community & Dev Team. If you're going to compare ommunities, compare idiots to idiots. Comparing your linkshell mates to random guys in Lower Jeuno is stupid. If I compare my legion to my LS in terms of friendliness and helpfulness, it's a very close race.

Have fun grinding for rank 5 just to use the airship so it doesn't take 30 mins to get from town to town. In Aion you can use the equivalent at level 1.

As cool as it was waiting for a movement speed item that everyone could use and wasn't really rare/expensive/hard to find before sprinter's shoes came along, Aion gives you run speed scrolls in a level 10-20 quest.

"Everything in Aion is grinding" comment- crafting in FFXI was way more of a grind. And have fun raising a racing chocobo. Hope you like the free race cutscene. Or raising a pankration pet to 50 by trading the npc 1000 times and hoping you get a decent leveled opponent instead of some level 8 newbie that dies in 2 hits and gives no exp. Or "skilling up" your chocobo digging - I hear if you dig to fatigue every day it only takes 2 years or so if you start now.

Nice priest pvp video, btw. I have seen similar videos for gladiators, templars, sorcerers, rangers, and assassins already. It's easy to look awesome when you are fighting under-prepared opponents and know what you are doing. Those of us who have actually done real pvp (not rift hopping, which is basically charging blindly into the enemy base and hoping you can gank a few before you're found and raeped) know it's a lot better balanced than FFXI's job system.