I agree the article was full of erroneous absolutes and misstatements or things I didn't totally agree with. However, I understood what he was trying to say, even if he exaggerated, and I agree with many of his points, as I'm sure many of you trying to nitpick this like it is a college essay do to.
People use absolutes in everyday language and you don't jump all over them like a rabid dog because they say "everyone" to describe what a few people do when trying to make a point about something. The article could definitely be revised for the better, so what? The point of the OP was to discuss the issues not attack/flame/troll/blah.
You attacking him and rating everyone down who tries to voice some mediated reason simply proves one of the points in his article.
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#102
Sep 01 2009 at 1:20 PM
Solrain - Taru Red Mage
"The answers are abundant, the questions aren't so clear."
"To all the sleepers: the legions of tacit, unquestioning, smug, bored, trapped, cynical, suffocating sleepers ...wake the **** up!" - A Dreamer
"I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." -Thomas Jefferson
"The answers are abundant, the questions aren't so clear."
"To all the sleepers: the legions of tacit, unquestioning, smug, bored, trapped, cynical, suffocating sleepers ...wake the **** up!" - A Dreamer
"I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." -Thomas Jefferson
#103
Sep 01 2009 at 1:26 PM
soulshaver wrote:
People use absolutes in everyday language and you don't jump all over them like a rabid dog because they say "everyone" to describe what a few people do when trying to make a point about something. The article could definitely be revised for the better, so what? The point of the OP was to discuss the issues not attack/flame/troll/blah.
soulshaver wrote:
You attacking him and rating everyone down who tries to voice some mediated reason simply proves one of the points in his article.
Edited, Sep 1st 2009 4:28pm by bsphil
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#104
Sep 01 2009 at 1:35 PM
soulshaver wrote:
People use absolutes in everyday language and you don't jump all over them like a rabid dog because they say "everyone" to describe what a few people do when trying to make a point about something. The article could definitely be revised for the better, so what? The point of the OP was to discuss the issues not attack/flame/troll/blah.
In everyday speak, I don't really care if somebody wants to take the absolute or even lie a bit to make a point. But when a person writes a 17page(single spaced) essay, I'd expect them to try to be at least accurate. If he's trying to be serious, stating opinions which are tested to be wrong isn't going to help his case. Making blanket statements might work when it's just people casually talking, but makes you look like a complete moron on anything attempting to be serious.
#105
Sep 01 2009 at 1:44 PM
bsphil wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Quote:
* Samurai weapon skills miss the target more than any other job.
Since when? 2005? SAM WS have a built in +100 ACC now.
aylard wrote:
This forum is made of fanboys.
soulshavings wrote:
I think its primarily an age issue, you just can't expect someone who's 15 to have the same mentality they will have when they are 25. I suspect that most of the people who are critical of this piece are < 20 years old or fit exactly into the negative/hater mentality you described in the article.
P wrote:
really a valid reason to post??
P wrote:
don’t have the attention span to read a mere 10 pages.
and thus:
Quote:
I vote for Picard!
cant' believe
you'dpick
him-
over Kirk..... you must
be out-- of-- yourmind.
Quote:
I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
#106
Sep 01 2009 at 1:59 PM
OK, time to put on my serious hat for a post.
You want to engage the community, but still let out our sarcastic side, see here. This is not some grand social experiment. You're covering your *** for people realizing what you are: A self-aggrandizing *******. You are the all wise, all knowing perfect one who has provided us the template for discussion/behavior. We are all just peons and small minded fools for not reading your massive repetition of what we all know already.
Face it, you posted this with the intent of provoking this reaction, not in some altruistic endeavor to better the game or the community.
And let me counter all of your points:
- There will always be selfish idiots that ruin people's fun
- There will always be judgmental idiots that will set unreachable standards
- There will always be people who steal to get ahead
- There will always be people who are lazy and will buy gil to get ahead
- There will always be blind invites and lazy party leaders
- The reason these will always remain the same is that you cannot force change on a person, change has to come from within the person
And finally, this is a video game. The reason people are mocking you, flaming you, and otherwise making fun of you is that while the rest of us take this as a game, you're apparently hellbent on making it some form of life-altering experience. Have I made friends in the game? Yes, but the same would be true for any game, chat room, forum or other means of interpersonal communication.
Everything you've said in your rant has been said before, will be said again, and will be treated with equal disdain then because people such as yourself fail to understand that the reasons for your bad experiences comes as much from your unrealistic expectation of human behavior as it does from treating a recreational enjoyment as a paradigm for an ideal society.
My tl;dr: Go outside, get a life, and play games for fun, not for some form of replacement for achieving something with your life.
You want to engage the community, but still let out our sarcastic side, see here. This is not some grand social experiment. You're covering your *** for people realizing what you are: A self-aggrandizing *******. You are the all wise, all knowing perfect one who has provided us the template for discussion/behavior. We are all just peons and small minded fools for not reading your massive repetition of what we all know already.
Face it, you posted this with the intent of provoking this reaction, not in some altruistic endeavor to better the game or the community.
And let me counter all of your points:
- There will always be selfish idiots that ruin people's fun
- There will always be judgmental idiots that will set unreachable standards
- There will always be people who steal to get ahead
- There will always be people who are lazy and will buy gil to get ahead
- There will always be blind invites and lazy party leaders
- The reason these will always remain the same is that you cannot force change on a person, change has to come from within the person
And finally, this is a video game. The reason people are mocking you, flaming you, and otherwise making fun of you is that while the rest of us take this as a game, you're apparently hellbent on making it some form of life-altering experience. Have I made friends in the game? Yes, but the same would be true for any game, chat room, forum or other means of interpersonal communication.
Everything you've said in your rant has been said before, will be said again, and will be treated with equal disdain then because people such as yourself fail to understand that the reasons for your bad experiences comes as much from your unrealistic expectation of human behavior as it does from treating a recreational enjoyment as a paradigm for an ideal society.
My tl;dr: Go outside, get a life, and play games for fun, not for some form of replacement for achieving something with your life.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
#107
Sep 01 2009 at 2:12 PM
Wow this forum posting is serious business.
I never read a 17 page article but the one the OP posted wasn't what you'd call a careful critique, it seemed like a quick forum posting, so no need to take is so literally and seriously.
I figured with all the bull@#*$ you're forced to put up with in a regular day you would be able to wade through the BS in this article and extract some meaningful talking points rather than trying to 1-UP everyone like egotistical maniacs.
I never read a 17 page article but the one the OP posted wasn't what you'd call a careful critique, it seemed like a quick forum posting, so no need to take is so literally and seriously.
I figured with all the bull@#*$ you're forced to put up with in a regular day you would be able to wade through the BS in this article and extract some meaningful talking points rather than trying to 1-UP everyone like egotistical maniacs.
Solrain - Taru Red Mage
"The answers are abundant, the questions aren't so clear."
"To all the sleepers: the legions of tacit, unquestioning, smug, bored, trapped, cynical, suffocating sleepers ...wake the **** up!" - A Dreamer
"I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." -Thomas Jefferson
"The answers are abundant, the questions aren't so clear."
"To all the sleepers: the legions of tacit, unquestioning, smug, bored, trapped, cynical, suffocating sleepers ...wake the **** up!" - A Dreamer
"I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." -Thomas Jefferson
#108
Sep 01 2009 at 2:20 PM
So a warrior dings 64 and still dosen't have a Haub.
Is he gimp?
Is he gimp?
#109
Sep 01 2009 at 2:25 PM
Yes.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#110
Sep 01 2009 at 2:31 PM
Soulflakes wrote:
Wow this forum posting is serious business.
Quote:
Everything you've said in your rant has been said before, will be said again, and will be treated with equal disdain then because people such as yourself fail to understand that the reasons for your bad experiences comes as much from your unrealistic expectation of human behavior as it does from treating a recreational enjoyment as a paradigm for an ideal society.
and finally:
catwho wrote:
Rule #29: no rational discourse can happen in a thread cross-posted to more than two newsgroups/forums.
Quote:
I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
#111
Sep 01 2009 at 2:34 PM
soulshaver wrote:
Wow this forum posting is serious business.
I never read a 17 page article but the one the OP posted wasn't what you'd call a careful critique, it seemed like a quick forum posting, so no need to take is so literally and seriously.
I figured with all the bull@#*$ you're forced to put up with in a regular day you would be able to wade through the BS in this article and extract some meaningful talking points rather than trying to 1-UP everyone like egotistical maniacs.
I never read a 17 page article but the one the OP posted wasn't what you'd call a careful critique, it seemed like a quick forum posting, so no need to take is so literally and seriously.
I figured with all the bull@#*$ you're forced to put up with in a regular day you would be able to wade through the BS in this article and extract some meaningful talking points rather than trying to 1-UP everyone like egotistical maniacs.
Instead, I will summarize this entire thread:
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
#112
Sep 01 2009 at 2:38 PM
I think his point was what a bunch of asses you are, and you demonstrated that quiet clearly.
This is a perfect example of what's wrong with this community, no respect for human beings.
Quote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
What's an appropriate card to send to commemorate [the Tiananmen Square massacre]? Something with "Tanks for the memoiries!" on it?
What's an appropriate card to send to commemorate [the Tiananmen Square massacre]? Something with "Tanks for the memoiries!" on it?
This is a perfect example of what's wrong with this community, no respect for human beings.
Solrain - Taru Red Mage
"The answers are abundant, the questions aren't so clear."
"To all the sleepers: the legions of tacit, unquestioning, smug, bored, trapped, cynical, suffocating sleepers ...wake the **** up!" - A Dreamer
"I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." -Thomas Jefferson
"The answers are abundant, the questions aren't so clear."
"To all the sleepers: the legions of tacit, unquestioning, smug, bored, trapped, cynical, suffocating sleepers ...wake the **** up!" - A Dreamer
"I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." -Thomas Jefferson
#113
Sep 01 2009 at 2:38 PM
soulshaver wrote:
I never read a 17 page article but the one the OP posted wasn't what you'd call a careful critique, it seemed like a quick forum posting, so no need to take is so literally and seriously.
soulshaver wrote:
I think his point was what a bunch of asses you are, and you demonstrated that quiet clearly.
Edited, Sep 1st 2009 5:40pm by bsphil
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#114
Sep 01 2009 at 2:44 PM
soulshaver wrote:
Wow this forum posting is serious business.
I never read a 17 page article but the one the OP posted wasn't what you'd call a careful critique, it seemed like a quick forum posting, so no need to take is so literally and seriously.
I never read a 17 page article but the one the OP posted wasn't what you'd call a careful critique, it seemed like a quick forum posting, so no need to take is so literally and seriously.
What he posted was 17pages and a little over 7000 words. When's the last time you read something that long and it was purely a lighthearted, quick forum post? What he posted he clearly wanted people to take seriously.
#115
Sep 01 2009 at 3:03 PM
soulshaver wrote:
I think his point was what a bunch of asses you are, and you demonstrated that quiet clearly.
This is a perfect example of what's wrong with this community, no respect for human beings.
Quote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
What's an appropriate card to send to commemorate [the Tiananmen Square massacre]? Something with "Tanks for the memoiries!" on it?
What's an appropriate card to send to commemorate [the Tiananmen Square massacre]? Something with "Tanks for the memoiries!" on it?
This is a perfect example of what's wrong with this community, no respect for human beings.
Anonymous, abridged wrote:
- Anonymous is devoid of humanity, morality, pity, and mercy.
- Anonymous works as one, because none of us are as cruel as all of us.
- Anonymous is everyone.
- Anonymous is everywhere.
- Anonymous doesn't have a family or friends
- Anonymous is your family and friends.
- Anonymous is not your friend.
- Anonymous is not your personal army.
- Anonymous is in control at all times.
- Anonymous does not accept failure, Anonymous delivers
- Anonymous is humanity.
- Anonymous is proof that humanity as a whole is absolutely insane.
- Anonymous does it for the lulz.
Quote:
I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
#116
Sep 01 2009 at 3:15 PM
By the by, if you're going to quote one of the few people who agree with you on ffxiah forums, I'll quote one of the many who disagree:
Cerberus.Katarzyna wrote:
When the first line said
and then followed it up shortly thereafter with
I stopped reading.
Quote:
Most players of FFXI are narcissistic, self congratulatory, greedy, self absorbed geeks with inferiority complexes, who play the game not for the fun or adventure…but to feel special about their gear.
and then followed it up shortly thereafter with
Quote:
This is the most important piece of writing related to FF ever put forth
I stopped reading.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#117
Sep 01 2009 at 3:31 PM
soulshaver wrote:
I think his point was what a bunch of asses you are, and you demonstrated that quiet clearly.
This is a perfect example of what's wrong with this community, no respect for human beings.
Quote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
What's an appropriate card to send to commemorate [the Tiananmen Square massacre]? Something with "Tanks for the memoiries!" on it?
What's an appropriate card to send to commemorate [the Tiananmen Square massacre]? Something with "Tanks for the memoiries!" on it?
This is a perfect example of what's wrong with this community, no respect for human beings.
But do keep trying to get attention, I mean, make some form of valid point.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
#119
Sep 01 2009 at 3:51 PM
Quote:
It's called Black Comedy. It's existed long before the Internet, and has as much to do with respect for life as a walnut has to do with price of grass seed in Nicaragua.
Not according to your wikipedia link. How would that qualify as black comedy?
Its a self-indulgent, insensitive, careless sneer.
Solrain - Taru Red Mage
"The answers are abundant, the questions aren't so clear."
"To all the sleepers: the legions of tacit, unquestioning, smug, bored, trapped, cynical, suffocating sleepers ...wake the **** up!" - A Dreamer
"I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." -Thomas Jefferson
"The answers are abundant, the questions aren't so clear."
"To all the sleepers: the legions of tacit, unquestioning, smug, bored, trapped, cynical, suffocating sleepers ...wake the **** up!" - A Dreamer
"I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." -Thomas Jefferson
#120
Sep 01 2009 at 3:54 PM
soulshaver wrote:
For example, I think he makes a good point about many of the players being overly concerned with appearances (elitist gear that's not much better, etc...) I see a strong parallel with the posters on the forum. It seems most posters want to criticize people and rate up/down so they can feel better about their public image.
Maybe that's something worth pausing over, a time to reflect?
Maybe that's something worth pausing over, a time to reflect?
See, if you click the link, you're get why the OP's just an attention ***** that pulled the whole "I GOT YOU ALL" trick when he got called out for being an ***.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
#121
Sep 01 2009 at 4:10 PM
soulshaver wrote:
Quote:
It's called Black Comedy. It's existed long before the Internet, and has as much to do with respect for life as a walnut has to do with price of grass seed in Nicaragua.
Not according to your wikipedia link. How would that qualify as black comedy?
Its a self-indulgent, insensitive, careless sneer.
Let me help you:
Wiki, on Black comedy, wrote:
The purpose of black comedy is to make light of serious and often taboo subject matter, and some comedians use it as a tool for exploring important issues, thus provoking discomfort and serious thought, as well as amusement, in their audience. Popular themes of the genre include rape, murder, suicide, war, terminal illness, abuse, insanity, disease and crime.
Wiki, on Tiananmen Square, wrote:
The protests of 1989 resulted in the massacre of Chinese protesters in the streets to the west of the square and adjacent areas.
[...]
Video footage shows the military repeatedly open fire here on unarmed citizens and medical personnel advancing toward Tiananmen Square to locate the missing and assist the wounded.
[...]
Video footage shows the military repeatedly open fire here on unarmed citizens and medical personnel advancing toward Tiananmen Square to locate the missing and assist the wounded.
Care to try again?
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
#122
Sep 01 2009 at 4:18 PM
Phurios wrote:
This is the most important piece of writing related to FF ever put forth, so please listen
I stopped reading after that. Just look at that sentence for a moment...that has to be the saddest thing I've ever seen.
Phurios, it's just a game. If you dislike it that much, try something else.
"most important piece of writing related to FF ever"...puh-leez!
The devil's in the details...
#123
Sep 01 2009 at 4:22 PM
CrazyBard wrote:
Phurios wrote:
This is the most important piece of writing related to FF ever put forth, so please listen
I stopped reading after that. Just look at that sentence for a moment...that has to be the saddest thing I've ever seen.
Phurios, it's just a game. If you dislike it that much, try something else.
"most important piece of writing related to FF ever"...puh-leez!
Puh-leez, everyone knows the most important piece of writing related to FF ever put forth was my autobiography.
Edited, Sep 1st 2009 8:23pm by itege
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LordFaramir wrote:
Ya know, you're really similiar to me, whether you like that or not :p, but you need a catgirl display picture.
#124soulshaver,
Posted: Sep 01 2009 at 4:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh I get it now, I missed the part about the slaughter of innocent people referenced by a greeting card being funny. I guess if you don't know anybody that was hurt by it you can find it kind of difficult to relate. Imagine if someone made a similar "joke" referencing 9/11...
#125
Sep 01 2009 at 4:36 PM
soulshaver wrote:
Imagine if someone made a similar "joke" referencing 9/11...
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#126soulshaver,
Posted: Sep 01 2009 at 4:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Guess I haven't been keeping up with the lolforumposts.
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