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#77aylard, Posted: Sep 01 2009 at 7:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This forum is made of fanboys.
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Is this Phurios from the Phoenix server?


Yeah, pretty sure that's who he claimed to be. If it's not him, I imagine the real Phurios is doing something like this right now: Smiley: dubious

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I never understood the people who say something along the lines of "People who play FFXI are nerds and never get laid so I quit. I have played for 5 years and I can't take it anymore." Do they not realize that they play FFXI too? So unless thier rant was to call themselves out for being a nerd and never getting laid...what's the point for saying things like that?


What they mean by that is:

- People who have better gear than they do
- People who get party invites when they don't
- People with multiple 75s when they only have one
- People who get invited to do endgame with statics

They are blaming their own personality and/or time management failings on others, and attempting to disparage them by saying "Well, they may be a better video game player than I am but that's only because they don't have a life!"

Doesn't work out when you actually talk to the uber godlike players, leaders of HNMs, etc. Sure, there are a few basement dwellers among them, but the vast majority are productive, normal adults, with spouses, sometimes kids, usually full time jobs. The basement dwellers are the exception, not the norm.

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#79 Sep 01 2009 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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The only mess I see is the OP really. Little to no evidence provided to back up his points (and thats saying a lot for a tl;dr post), heavy reliance on waaaaaah and he is also generally ill-informed.

A pup's gear is rather important. Like a thf, pup is terrible if it isn't played well or at least decently.

And I like my big numbers on my nukes! Part of the reason my first job leveled ever was blm is because I've loved the job to death since waaaaaay back in the days of FF1.

Also, notice how the OP has only replied once.
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This guy just does not know me very well, not very well at all.
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#81 Sep 01 2009 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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They are blaming their own personality and/or time management failings on others, and attempting to disparage them by saying "Well, they may be a better video game player than I am but that's only because they don't have a life!"


This is pretty much what it boils down to. Most people that think like this can't really be bothered to do any work to fix the problems they do have in game. They are usually spoilt people who expect everything to be handed to them...

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I would say this covers most topics of the debate (If not most debates) to be quite honest...

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I'm not reading that whole wall-of-text BS.

Phurios (if it's the same one on Phoenix) runs/ran a very small, social slash "end-game" (salvage, nzyul, limbus) shell on Phoenix with like 2 nice people and a bunch of the ******** he described in what I read of his rant. I'm guessing this all stemmed from trouble on the homefront, so to speak.
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#83 Sep 01 2009 at 8:32 AM Rating: Default
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Most players of FFXI are narcissistic, self congratulatory, greedy, self absorbed geeks with inferiority complexes, who play the game not for the fun or adventure…but to feel special about their gear.


This, coming from someone who's writing a giant (crappy) rant about a game and posting it on a public forum for other people to read in hopes of getting their approval/agreement on his very dumb, poorly written opinion makes this comment very funny. I bet it goes over the OP's head though.

That rant screams of 'I suck at making gil so I bought STR/DEX gear only, now my WS miss and people laugh at me. So I'll post this complete crap to defend my crappy gear and shove the blame onto everyone else, who clealy buys gil because they have nicer gear and enjoy the game, losers.'

Let me tell you something, I'm in a HNM ls of sorts. Not ones that take on Kings/HNM religiously, but we do Sky/Sea/Ein/ZNM versions of HNM so I guess its more of an EG LS. They are the nicest bunch of people I've met so far and I highly doubt they buy gil, simply because it makes no sense... Most gear people want at 75 is r/ex and can be gotten easily with a medicore HNM ls.

I love seeing people work out the pros/cons of gear in mathematical terms because I love maths and I enojy knowing what gear is best in what situation. Your comment on this being 'nerdy crap' is probably true, but guess what, the 'nerds' who work this stuff out have a much higher level of intelligence than you if you're to be judged by your rant.

Your rant was niether funny, smart, true or anything less than butthurt whining because, from your own comments, I'm guessing your gear sucks, you have no gil, you have no friends, you've never had ***, you've never had a gf, you have no concept of maths, you can't grasp statistics and you think your opinion is truth.

I could say more but I have to get back to doing my WORK so I can graduate, get a nice job, settle down with a family and someday toss you a coin when I walk past your ****-stained, filthy body begging for change in a gutter.
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#84 Sep 01 2009 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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* Samurai weapon skills miss the target more than any other job.


Since when? 2005? SAM WS have a built in +100 ACC now.
All WSs have that you ****. Get over your anti-fanboyism of SAM long enough to pull your head out of your ***.

By the by, it was first tested on alla with Wasp Sting, and the JPs have known about it for years.

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* Your gear is not important, your skill as a player is very important…Salvage has proven this.

Gear is not important - false.
Skill is very important - true.
There's a reason my nukes do 25-30% more damage than a new BLM75 and don't resist nearly as often... and it's not skill. To make as bold of a claim as "gear isn't important" screams that he's some gimp **** who can't get anything done in the game because he never took the time to adequately gear himself and/or doesn't know how to and is pissed off that he's made a name for himself as a failure. Maybe not, but that's just what that tells me.

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#85 Sep 01 2009 at 9:26 AM Rating: Default
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First of all I read the article. Most of the posts responding to it illustrate exactly what the OP was writing about which is pretty ironic. It looks like many of the responders simply didn't read the article and thought that you were a NOOB Sam complaining about how bad you suck, which is exactly one of the problems that the article was illustrating.

Ignoring the organizational style, I thought your article conveyed your meaning and was generally something that needed to be said to open up a discussion or at least cause some people to think about this stuff. I agree with many of your points. I think its primarily an age issue, you just can't expect someone who's 15 to have the same mentality they will have when they are 25. I suspect that most of the people who are critical of this piece are < 20 years old or fit exactly into the negative/hater mentality you described in the article.

When you grow up you will start caring more about other people, and this will be evident through all your relationships including MMOs. Thats when you will stop belittling people and try to help them understand your point of view.

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#86 Sep 01 2009 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:

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* Your gear is not important, your skill as a player is very important…Salvage has proven this.

Gear is not important - false.
Skill is very important - true.
There's a reason my nukes do 25-30% more damage than a new BLM75 and don't resist nearly as often... and it's not skill. To make as bold of a claim as "gear isn't important" screams that he's some gimp sh*t who can't get anything done in the game because he never took the time to adequately gear himself and/or doesn't know how to and is pissed off that he's made a name for himself as a failure. Maybe not, but that's just what that tells me.




What's weirder about that statement, is that if this is Phurios from Phoenix, he has pretty nice gear. Although, most of it is Usukane so I guess that's where he got his love for Salvage being awesome.
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First of all I read the article. Most of the posts responding to it illustrate exactly what the OP was writing about which is pretty ironic. It looks like many of the responders simply didn't read the article and thought that you were a NOOB Sam complaining about how bad you suck, which is exactly one of the problems that the article was illustrating.


Actually what people are objecting to it the OPs constant use of absolutes (ie always, most, never etc)which belies his claim he's not trageting all players in his opening paragraph.

According to OP everyone, including you, bought their gear with RMT money and bullies other players. Also according to the OP the only reason a player has to have gear, since it "doesn't matter", is to be elistist. Also he claims all players that know the workings of their jobs are either elitest nerds with no life in real life and are teenagers.

I can honestly say my elemental staffs are invaluable to me on RDM because they do help so the OP doesn't ring true. I have a good SAM friend at 75 and my level 40 SAM do hit mobs and gain pretty fast TP so I question his playstyle. If I see a RDM struggle and I say they should get a staff I'm trying to help them not put them down and the same it true if they are in a pt and arent using their job to full advantage of the party. I do so nicely and I've never been accused of being elistist tough a few have an attitude until they die or kill the whole party. Also I never buy RMT but I work hard to get the gil for my gear.

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Ignoring the organizational style, I thought your article conveyed your meaning and was generally something that needed to be said to open up a discussion or at least cause some people to think about this stuff. I agree with many of your points. I think its primarily an age issue, you just can't expect someone who's 15 to have the same mentality they will have when they are 25. I suspect that most of the people who are critical of this piece are < 20 years old or fit exactly into the negative/hater mentality you described in the article.


I also have a busy life in RL and I am 33 years old and female so my very existance proves his use of absolutes wrong. Also it has been proven teenagers actually use absolutes more than adults ( ie "You Never Let me do anything!" when they were told they couldn't go to one party) so that makes me question the OPs age. 20 isn't actually that much more mature than 18, your life out-look doesn't change much in my experience until 25+. I however am older than that and am critical of this post your assessment is lacking as well.

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When you grow up you will start caring more about other people, and this will be evident through all your relationships including MMOs. Thats when you will stop belittling people and try to help them understand your point of view.


Elitest gil-buying teenagers that bash others do exist in game and in the forum most likely but I know it doesn't fit "most" or "all" of them.






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Exactly what I expected to see. It’s so much easier to judge a voice than to use one. Why think at all when you can criticize? I’ve been bored seeing the posts of people saying the same dumb sh*t the person before them said. Are “QQ” and “butthurt” really a valid reason to post??

Also, everyone saying this kind of stuff is way off, sorry. It completely went over your head. Or you just didn’t read it and decided to post something pointless anyway.

I don’t read enough forums to fully comprehend “troll” or what it means to “troll”. But if it means to bait someone then it’s not an inaccurate way to describe what I was looking to do.

The article I posted is filled with good ideas about what we can do to improve our community, but it also has these sharp accusations and broad generalizations to get the attention of these players that thrive on conflict despite it’s counter productiveness.

So we had two choices upon reading this.

1. Engage in a discussion about the problems we have and what we should do about them.

2. Attack the poster, trying to win a flaming war.

Without hesitation we choose the latter in every forum, its remarkable.

http://www.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=125175480737147175&num=85&page=1


http://forums.ffxiclopedia.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22313&sid=22f3db7af131e08ffaa1ece07fb5eb3f

http://killingifrit.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=179737


http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/?topic_id=4728

Not only am I attacked personally, as illustrated in the article, people immediately criticize equipment, assuming that whoever wrote this has bad gear. We actually get to see M.I.M.S. in action.

I’d like to say thank you to all these geeks for their support in helping to prove my point and make the article come to life. I wish I had responded sooner so this guy hadn’t beaten me to it.

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So basically, most of you puffed up babies, instead of actually reading his full "article" which was insightful and pretty good, just spent all your time writing comments that proved him ridiculously right...

This was not a goodbye letter. This is a plea to improve the game, our game, as a whole. The response just goes to show that a solid 60% of the people that play this game are so deeply ridden with 'toolism' and douchebaggery that it will likely be impossible to excise it from you all without some sort of a exorcism. "We'll need an old white mage and a young white mage...."

Seriously you trolls; get an attention span and a conscientiousness of the world around you.


I didn’t write this for those people who don’t have the attention span to read a mere 10 pages. In fact I bullet pointed those wildly sharp points at the very start to help weed out these retards. I wrote it for the 15-20 people that actually sat down and read it in its entirety, understood what was going on, yes, even the subtle parts, and then thought about this stuff as we move into FFXIV. Not trying to change anyone’s life, just asking people to think about it.

My only complaint is that I’ve received all kinds of private messages and friend invites wanting to talk about it. Why not post? Don’t be afraid of conflict, that’s how things get accomplished.

The article is there, read it if you want, it’s got some good stuff in it. You can keep bashing me if you want too, it’s really interesting. I’ll see everyone for FFXIV.


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This is the 4th place I seen this. It's also on KI, FFXI AH, and FFXI Wiki's Forums.

Seriously, I got a laugh at the part where he tells others to get a grip on reality when he wrote a 5+ page document that was made out of QQing and butthurt.
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Phurios wrote:
The article I posted is filled with good ideas about what we can do to improve our community, but it also has these sharp accusations and broad generalizations to get the attention of these players that thrive on conflict despite it’s counter productiveness.

So we had two choices upon reading this.

1. Engage in a discussion about the problems we have and what we should do about them.

2. Attack the poster, trying to win a flaming war.
Just like how we should be having legitimate debates about Obama's citizenship or if the moon landing was faked or that the Earth is flat, right?

If you want to have a debate, you start it by speaking in a manner conducive to a debate. Rash generalizations and stupid comments attract people to come out and tell you how stupid and generalized your points are, rather than to debate them. Rewrite the argument, clearly organize it, and back up statements with proofs and facts. MAYBE if you do a good enough job people will still take you seriously enough to debate the merits of your claims.

The only initial bullet point that you made that can be accurately debated because it's strictly a game issue and not a social comment on the players of the game is about SAM WS accuracy, and it's factually wrong on several levels. Tell me why I should bother reading any further when the 3rd line of your document is so blatantly erroneous.





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#94 Sep 01 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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Phurios wrote:

So we had two choices upon reading this.

1. Engage in a discussion about the problems we have and what we should do about them.

2. Attack the poster, trying to win a flaming war.

Without hesitation we choose the latter in every forum, its remarkable.


There's only one thing in common between all those forums, your post. If you write out something and 99% of the people think it's stupid, there's a high chance what you wrote was stupid. Couple that with stating things which are tested to be wrong as fact, no one is going to take you seriously.
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The article is there, read it if you want, it’s got some good stuff in it. You can keep bashing me if you want too, it’s really interesting. I’ll see everyone for FFXIV.


It was not what you said that got people to bash you, it was how you said it. Any piece of literature that deals in ways a person or group of people can better themselves and also calls it's own readers, "Narcissistic, self congratulatory, greedy, self absorbed geeks with inferiority complexes" will not go over well with anyone.

Seriously, what did you expect? If I were to start out a book and on the 1st page it said "Most everyone that reads this has a ***** for a mother" do you really think it would go over well with the readers? I know that I personally love to sit down with a good book that calls me a geek, but also that I have many characteristics of a dirt bag.

If you want your works to be read, try not to abuse those who take the time to do so.
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#96aylard, Posted: Sep 01 2009 at 12:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I read the whole article, if the whole allakazham comunity did that and understood his point you would not write this.
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I read it all. His rant deserves everything it gets.
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Obviously Kirk. Just being played by William Shatner makes him legendary; add the sheer amount of green tail and awesome Kirk exuded makes him LEAGUES ahead of Picard. Yes, Patrick Stewart is pretty cool, as was his portrayal of Picard, but you'd have to be delusional to believe he was anywhere near Kirk in any way feasible.

God, you noobs.
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How OOT to claim after you were flamed multiple places that it was just a "social experiment."

I think you need a little introduction to the old rules of Usenet:

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I read the whole article, if the whole allakazham comunity did that and understood his point you would not write this.


I refuse to attempt to understand an article so full of contradiction...

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Let's discuss this.


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I'm a little suspicious yes.Smiley: dubious



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