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#177 Aug 27 2009 at 5:16 AM Rating: Good
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Well, the discussion has long since removed itself from Mr. Tanaka's comment to a series of assumed outcomes.
The answer clearly is that they won't ignore FFXI and that asking why we are not getting any content/expansions right in the middle of their 3 add-ons experiment and just 4 months after their big March update and ACP and 1 month after their july update and MKE isn't going to yield a satisfactory answer.


I hope your right. I expect to hear something about the future of FFXI after ACP is released.

Another round of mini-expansions with some new maps/mobs/missions would make me happy. I'm in the minority that kinda likes the mini-expansions.
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I think there is a lot of misunderstanding happening, possibly. People always seem to get incredibly pessimistic about everything at the slightest chance.

For some reason I am reminded of Toy Story, whereas FFXI is "Woody" and FFXIV is "Buzz Lightyear."

I think for the most part, while they are obviously going to be diverting a lot of attention to their flashy new toy, we will not be forgotten in the long run.

It would be utterly stupid of them to simply drop support of FFXI just because they have another MMO. At the very worst they will continue to maintain it but with no major future updates, though now even that seems unlikely.
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I think there is a lot of misunderstanding happening, possibly.


One simple, concise post from the Square-Enix Community Team would clear this right up. However, we don't hear from them so we are left to come to our own conclusions. One can only assume that we are correct and that SE does in-fact intend to turn off FFXI once FFXIV goes live. After all: "The Silence is Deafening" - Thayos
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I think there is a lot of misunderstanding happening, possibly.


One simple, concise post from the Square-Enix Community Team would clear this right up. However, we don't hear from them so we are left to come to our own conclusions. One can only assume that we are correct and that SE does in-fact intend to turn off FFXI once FFXIV goes live. After all: "The Silence is Deafening" - Thayos


Somehow I have the feeling that when they are "communicating with the player base" they are largely referring to the players they are closest to, that being the Japanese player base. If they are to take suggestions, it is probably almost, if not entirely exclusive, to them.

What we are getting is probably what others have suggested already-- a misunderstanding born in the process of translating two completely different languages.

With the way things are worded in Japanese, it is very possible that a lot of the things that have been "communicated" to us have been taken completely out of context.
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Kuwoobie, stop trying to use logic to explain what's going on. Remember, this is a thread about FFXI dying FFXIV killing FFXI how SE has ironcladly said FFXI is finished how people are overreacting to something that may not mean what they think it means the sky falling!
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#182 Aug 27 2009 at 7:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Somehow I have the feeling that when they are "communicating with the player base" they are largely referring to the players they are closest to, that being the Japanese player base. If they are to take suggestions, it is probably almost, if not entirely exclusive, to them.


I agree completely. If they would just talk to us, it would save so much trouble. With better communication I would have never quit...

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#183 Aug 27 2009 at 8:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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I swear why do people never ask the "right" questions in these interviews. When his answer was "maybe there will be and maybe there wont be" the next question to that answer should have been "But in the past when asked about the fate of FFXI when FFXIV comes out youve always said, weve been developing/working on FFXIV for the last 2 years alongside FFXI and FFXI is still receiving new content and updates despite that, so theres no need to worry about the fate of FFXI because we still have at least a full years of content planned for FFXI even after FFXIVs release. The answer you give me now sounds like the total opposite of the one I just posted. So whats happened to that?"


Id have loved to see him answer his way outta that one.
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There are questions they just will not answer, or will just lie about.

If they knew that they were pulling the plug the day 14 came out, they will never mention it until probably the month before it happens. They will either completely ignore the question or straight out lie.

If they said, we will not have more content for ffxi, or the game will shutdown when 14 comes out, they would lose 10's of millions of dollars in sub fees.

they will continue to say either yes there is more content planned, or they are looking into it, thinking about it etc. That wont change.

In fact, It is usually safe to make the assumption when a company doesnt commit to a solid answer it usually means they hiding something. If FFXI was going to continue to recieve content they would just say that, if it wasnt, they would say, we are looking into it, but nothing planned as of yet.

thats how companies work.
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I just want those goddamned summons they promised us well over a year ago! Supposedly "new summons" which "play differently" and have since never been mentioned. Yeah, nice one SE. I bet they said that just to shut us up.

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As for why Astral Flow isn't as powerful as some of the Level 70 blood pacts, it's that Astral Flow is area-of-effect. It doesn't matter how many monsters are in the area, it'll be the same damage to the monsters in the effect range. Whereas the level 70 blood pacts are just for one target, so that's where the difference comes in.
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I have a feeling he was told not to divulge any more information about the future of FFXI than they'd already trickled out. Hence the wishy washy answer. The English phrase equivalent is "I'm not at liberty to say."
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#187DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Aug 27 2009 at 8:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well "Im not at liberty to say" always means the worst or the answer you dont wanna hear. For if it was a good answer then why NOT tell us. Thats just like pleading the 5th amendment... you ever known an INNOCENT person to do so? If youre innocent what do you have to hide that you cant tell anyone? lol
#188 Aug 27 2009 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Its a pretty simple strategy on SE's part. Wait and see how many people jump ship to the new SE MMO and if demand warrants, they'll continue with more content on FFXI. However its clear from their statements that they are making the new MMO as FFXI like as possible to smooth the transition and thus entice as many users as possible to make the switch. They need to start recouping their investment in the new game ASAP. Anyone who thinks FFXI will continue status quo is kidding themselves. As with every MMO, there comes a time when the servers downsize in numbers and new content becomes few and far between.

His statement may be disheartening but I appreciate the honesty none the less.
#189 Aug 27 2009 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I just thought of it another way. Fo all we know ffxi might be shutdown/forgotten about by SE when FFXIV come sout and at the same time they might still give us that years worth of content they have planned like they said... how you ask? Well we know nothing about ffxiv other than it comes out in 2010. For all we know it might not come out until christmas... well its august now. 12 months from now would be awhole year of ffxi updates and xiv may not be out yet... its not like we know ffxiv is coming out in January or something. So if you look at it that way ffxi might still get that year of updates.
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"I'm not at liberty to say" in a business says means "My bosses said I can't say anything about that."

If you've been in the corporate world, you know how it is - you can't say X about Y until the people above you give you the go ahead. I did marketing for IT companies, and we weren't allowed to discuss upcoming promotions until we had the go ahead to start. So even if I knew there was a price drop coming, or a special buy one get one free, starting tomorrow, I couldn't tell you about it today. If someone asked me "Are there any specials?" the best I could answer is "Not right now, but we have specials coming and going all the time, and we'll let you know when our next one is."
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1) Try and push out an expansion that they hope will keep the attention of the end-game player base while maintaining game balance and a fresh storyline, or


They did this. It was called Wings of the Goddess.

2 years, and they didnt even finish that expansion. See a problem?
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#192 Aug 27 2009 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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Tanaka: The main thing we learned from FFXI was that once we launched the game, we communicated with our players to
I don't think I could have stopped myself from calling bs mid interview right then and there, if I were present.


He probably meant the Japanese players.


Nope, they don't have it any better than we do.
I couldn't find the exact link I was looking for, which had a comment about enlisting us "ferocious NA's" to get SE to budge on something..
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#193 Aug 27 2009 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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If someone asked me "Are there any specials?" the best I could answer is "Not right now, but we have specials coming and going all the time, and we'll let you know when our next one is."



Even that respoinse would be more comforting/give me more hope that a special would be likely to aoocur or happen someday rather than if you would told me

"we're not sure if we'll have a special. We might have one; we might not, so we can't really comment on that."

Which is pretty much what they said in regards to ffxi
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akisushiva wrote:

1) Try and push out an expansion that they hope will keep the attention of the end-game player base while maintaining game balance and a fresh storyline, or


They did this. It was called Wings of the Goddess.

2 years, and they didnt even finish that expansion. See a problem?


Yep, I do. And apparently so did SE which is why FFXI is on the backburner until they finish FFXIV.

There was an interview a little while back where SE admitted to taking too long to release games.

And in this interview there was the comment where Tanaka said for FFXI he did everything himself, but for FFXIV he has to delegate a lot of the work (maybe against his wishes?).

Of course this is speculation, but there is a chance SE management is really pushing the dev team to get FFXIV out onto the market, forcing the developers to stop taking their time to make it "perfect"; which is why WotG isn't finished after 2 years.

It's August 27th and there hasn't been a single FFXI related topic/article/anything on the POL main page for the entire month. I think this is the first time EVER we've gone a month without SOMETHING on the main page...wonder what they are all so busy with....

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1) Try and push out an expansion that they hope will keep the attention of the end-game player base while maintaining game balance and a fresh storyline, or


They did this. It was called Wings of the Goddess.

2 years, and they didnt even finish that expansion. See a problem?


Yep, I do. And apparently so did SE which is why FFXI is on the backburner until they finish FFXIV.

There was an interview a little while back where SE admitted to taking too long to release games.

And in this interview there was the comment where Tanaka said for FFXI he did everything himself, but for FFXIV he has to delegate a lot of the work (maybe against his wishes?).

Of course this is speculation, but there is a chance SE management is really pushing the dev team to get FFXIV out onto the market, forcing the developers to stop taking their time to make it "perfect"; which is why WotG isn't finished after 2 years.

It's August 27th and there hasn't been a single FFXI related topic/article/anything on the POL main page for the entire month. I think this is the first time EVER we've gone a month without SOMETHING on the main page...wonder what they are all so busy with....



The new shiny that they will abandon half finished 7 years into it's lifespan as well. If it lasts that long.
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WOTG....forcing the developers to stop taking their time to make it "perfect"


I dont want to disagree with anything you say, but I wanted to make mention that you make this sound as if they are willing to miss deadlines/stay late etc etc in a crazy frantic (or calm) state to get the job done....lets be clear about this: They had a pre-set plan that they would release quests every 6 months and Mission every 6 months.

In my opinion all that is for WOTG has already been scipted, drawn and translated...all they are doing now is releasing it in that pathetic manner of "missions twice a year and quests twice a year"

Ive said this many times, I think the core of the development team are doing a good job - their only problems is an out-dated technology/graphics machine and an head of department that is fookin with their ideas/creativity.....Get rid of the development team leaders - they SUCK!


EDIT: PS. its almost 3 years I think.

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It's August 27th and there hasn't been a single FFXI related topic/article/anything on the POL main page for the entire month. I think this is the first time EVER we've gone a month without SOMETHING on the main page...wonder what they are all so busy with....



Glad I wasnt the only one to notice - I think this may be a record for them....expect a thread coming up soon to discuss this...


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I have a feeling he was told not to divulge any more information about the future of FFXI than they'd already trickled out. Hence the wishy washy answer. The English phrase equivalent is "I'm not at liberty to say."

"I'm not at liberty to say" in a business says means "My bosses said I can't say anything about that."

If you've been in the corporate world, you know how it is - you can't say X about Y until the people above you give you the go ahead. I did marketing for IT companies, and we weren't allowed to discuss upcoming promotions until we had the go ahead to start.


There's a big difference between your average marketing guy for an IT firm and the Senior VP of Software Development at SquareEnix. If Hiromichi Tanaka wanted to say something definitive about the future of FFXI, he would have.
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It still may not be something that they agreed to disclose yet. Doesn't matter how high up he is, if the rest of the development team has agreed to keep hush hush about it for now. Square Enix loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooves secrecy.

If you've ever done "the rats", the Assault called "The Double Agent," then you're familiar with the sneaky Qiqirn who are gathered in the field, rounded up by Imperial Agents, because one of them is a spy. Some of them give cutesy clues in the form of directions or distances, others say stuff like "Qiqirn is network is veeeery secret, maybe even have secret spy, you know?" or "La la la NO LISTEN" or "Hmf, I know no seeeeeecret spy, I just came here for fun, you know?" And at least one or two of them will outright lie, saying the spy is north, or very far away, or very close by, when its not.

Anyway, I just imagine those guys are the Square Enix executives, and the "spy" is the future of FFXI. They all know what's going on, more or less. They know who the spy is. But they will never come right out and say it. They'd rather tease and taunt and have little clues and hem and haw and then, finally one will say "You want the seeeecret spy? He's south 10 yalms!"

And then we get a POL announcement with much fanfare and hype.
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"I'm not at liberty to say" in a business says means "My bosses said I can't say anything about that."

If you've been in the corporate world, you know how it is - you can't say X about Y until the people above you give you the go ahead. I did marketing for IT companies, and we weren't allowed to discuss upcoming promotions until we had the go ahead to start. So even if I knew there was a price drop coming, or a special buy one get one free, starting tomorrow, I couldn't tell you about it today. If someone asked me "Are there any specials?" the best I could answer is "Not right now, but we have specials coming and going all the time, and we'll let you know when our next one is."


I love that system. I've asked so many times "But I assume there will be a similar offer in the future" and they always reply "We don't know about that" but then there always is.

I also thought the new avatarS was announced at a fan-fest closer to 2006. I'm pretty sure it was BEFORE WotG was released, hence the speculations of Alexander and Odin.
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I also thought the new avatarS was announced at a fan-fest closer to 2006. I'm pretty sure it was BEFORE WotG was released, hence the speculations of Alexander and Odin.
True, but the interview I quoted was the first genuine sign that they were meant to be working on anything. They pretty much said "avatars are in the pipeline" whereas the interviewee mentioned that they were working on avatars that worked differently and gave a bit more insight.

But you're quite right that they've been a long time coming, and we have heard very little from them lately, which implies they've either not figured out how it's going to work or scrapped the project entirely. I hope that the latter doesn't prove to be the case.
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I also thought the new avatarS was announced at a fan-fest closer to 2006. I'm pretty sure it was BEFORE WotG was released, hence the speculations of Alexander and Odin.
True, but the interview I quoted was the first genuine sign that they were meant to be working on anything. They pretty much said "avatars are in the pipeline" whereas the interviewee mentioned that they were working on avatars that worked differently and gave a bit more insight.

But you're quite right that they've been a long time coming, and we have heard very little from them lately, which implies they've either not figured out how it's going to work or scrapped the project entirely. I hope that the latter doesn't prove to be the case.



I hope if they have scrapped them they at least tell us instead of making us wait. Besides didnt they confirm in one of the interviews (i believe it was on jpbutton) before the ACP release that those new avatars would be released this year? (I wanna say they said march but for sure they did say this year)
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