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#1 Aug 06 2009 at 4:09 AM Rating: Good
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The month before that was only 16,230, the number has almost doubled, so I'm willing to bet about 10-15k of those were legitimate figures.

This is just for those of you who want an idea of the scale of things because if my assumption is correct, that's way more then I thought...

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#2 Aug 06 2009 at 4:11 AM Rating: Good
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Just pretend I made fun of the STF's revolving door ban policy here. Its not even worth thinking up a new way of putting it anymore.
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#3 Aug 06 2009 at 4:14 AM Rating: Default
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The month before that was only 16,230, the number has almost doubled, so I'm willing to bet about 10-15k of those were legitimate figures.

This is just for those of you who want an idea of the scale of things because if my assumption is correct, that's way more then I thought...

Source: Special Task Force Report


just posted this in another thread 10 min ago http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1249558851196423836&page=1&howmany=50#m124955998450338124
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#4 Aug 06 2009 at 4:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Its upsetting to think that so many people have been banned yes we don;'t hear from no where near that many people. Yes we all know that alla does not represent all the users but if even 1/2 that even use a forum and our posters are a fraction of that, then it appears this site is hardly used.

There needs to be more activity on the sites in my sig, the story has been sitting at 260 degrees for several days.
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#5 Aug 06 2009 at 4:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I wonder just how many of those 31,000+ are actual RMT, and not wrongfully banned Legitimate players?

With all of the banning horror stories around, is it actually a good idea to advertise such a HUGE number of "RMT Accounts" banned?

It sounds like they are going on a witch hunt, complete with pitchforks and torches, to me. When I see that, I just shake my head, and wonder if I'm going to be part of that statistic next month, if I actually log into the game (I haven't touched the game since the week before the update).
#6 Aug 06 2009 at 4:25 AM Rating: Good
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With all of the banning horror stories around, is it actually a good idea to advertise such a HUGE number of "RMT Accounts" banned?
They'd have to read any of those horror stories before deciding whether or not it is a good idea to advertise what the STF is up to.
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#7 Aug 06 2009 at 4:36 AM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Zariamnk wrote:
With all of the banning horror stories around, is it actually a good idea to advertise such a HUGE number of "RMT Accounts" banned?
They'd have to read any of those horror stories before deciding whether or not it is a good idea to advertise what the STF is up to.


Even if SE doesn't read the forums, surely their CSRs are complaining to their bosses about the increased bad moods players are in, and the frequent calls/petitions/etc players throw their way when they are wrongfully banned... I mean, it should go like this:

CSR: Um, sir, we are getting a lot more players than usual saying they are wrongfully banned, and some of them are in just bad moods!
Boss: Eh... okay, just do your normal thing, I'll report it..

Or something like that, who knows. Still though, they surely recognize it as a problem, and they should surely think that players are spreading the word... do they think it is a good idea to advertise the STF is mass-banning people, when they know that a lot of them (I've heard they re-instated some of them) were wrongfully banned?
#8 Aug 06 2009 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
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guess that shuts up the crowd whining about there being no proof of these bannings. the people that say people are blowing it out of proportion an its not that bad.

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#10 Aug 06 2009 at 5:09 AM Rating: Decent
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i guess im the only one that remembers bastok mines being filled with 50+ RMT mules constantly running to the delivery box guy and logging out just for another 50+ mules to take their place.
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Considering there are 500,000 accounts on FFXI *cough*, that makes around 1 in 20 of you players a RMT

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#12 Aug 06 2009 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
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The month before that was only 16,230, the number has almost doubled, so I'm willing to bet about 10-15k of those were legitimate figures.


It helps to support your analysis of a number with... you know... facts?

There's no way in hell you can simply look at a previous months figures and this months figures and deduce that whatever% of them must be RMT and the rest must be legitimate players.

For all you know they've simply caught more RMT this last cycle than in previous cycles, they have new criteria for banning RMT, or RMT have been creating excess accounts compared to previous banning cycles to take advantage of something.

SE doesn't simply wait for the day of the notice to mass ban everyone, they stretch it out over the cycle. If they had banned 10-15k actual players you would damn well have seen a whole lot more posts than the relatively few people we've had complaining.
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#13 Aug 06 2009 at 5:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's no way in hell you can simply look at a previous months figures and this months figures and deduce that whatever% of them must be RMT and the rest must be legitimate players.
To be fair, that 10~15k are the same ones every month.

Hay, I did find a new way to say it.
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#14 Aug 06 2009 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
To be fair, that 10~15k are the same ones every month.


That is one thing you could state as a fact. Based on previous banning cycles soandso many accounts have been banned so it would be understandable that a similar number would have been banned this cycle.

Implying that the remainder must be legitimate players however can't be supported by anything other than speculation.

That percentage of them could have been additional RMT, legitimate players, or an army of mutant penguins using MMO's to train for the upcoming arctic wars.
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#15 Aug 06 2009 at 5:51 AM Rating: Decent
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still pretty sad that they banned 10% of the player base.

if you don't think that looks odd, then you really are naive.
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#16 Aug 06 2009 at 6:09 AM Rating: Good
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The month before that was only 16,230, the number has almost doubled, so I'm willing to bet about 10-15k of those were legitimate figures.


It helps to support your analysis of a number with... you know... facts?

There's no way in hell you can simply look at a previous months figures and this months figures and deduce that whatever% of them must be RMT and the rest must be legitimate players.

For all you know they've simply caught more RMT this last cycle than in previous cycles, they have new criteria for banning RMT, or RMT have been creating excess accounts compared to previous banning cycles to take advantage of something.

SE doesn't simply wait for the day of the notice to mass ban everyone, they stretch it out over the cycle. If they had banned 10-15k actual players you would damn well have seen a whole lot more posts than the relatively few people we've had complaining.


They did catch more people and label them rmt, that a lot of people getting banned and are being labeled rmt. as for the new criteria, its simple, play on multiple ip, banned, have more than 1 acct on a credit card, banned, have a charge back that we don't care to investigate how it occurred just that it did, banned, and were gonna lable you all rmt.
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#17 Aug 06 2009 at 6:18 AM Rating: Good
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still pretty sad that they banned 10% of the player base.

if you don't think that looks odd, then you really are naive.


You know, what, I'll bite and post something to this all.

1/7/2009 – 31/7/2009 31,630 Approx. 2.7 billion
1/6/2009 – 30/6/2009 16,230 Approx. 2.1 billion
1/5/2009 – 31/5/2009 12,170 Approx. 2.7 billion
1/4/2009 – 30/4/2009 9,500 Approx. 2.3 billion
1/3/2009 – 31/3/2009 11,070 Approx. 1.5 billion
28/1/2009 – 28/2/2009 7,650 Approx. 2.1 billion
23/12/2008 – 27/1/2009 7,210 Approx. 1.5 billion


That is square's record for the year thus far, something to note whenever a ban wave happens and there is a difference in number there is a 3-4k difference in bannings.

We'll take the figure from June into this EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS THE CC BAN INCIDENT (They did try to clear up that mess so I'll try to be hopeful that most of the number is legitimate when its far from).

We'll say, the actual numbers of people who deserved to be banned last month would be 20k (Mostly people banned from previous months remaking and getting rebant). That roughly means we got 10k more than the usual bans. 500k is an older however recent figure, and lots of the bans would be on new/trial accounts especially with Square recently announcing FFXIV- so for arguements sakes, we'll pretend the 20k banned out of normal process was RMT Trial accounts that do not count.

Leaves us with 10k 'more than normal' bans given track record, cut and split it anyway you like. For me, I believe a reasonable chunk of it is legitimate complaints, but for arguments sakes we'll say its all innocent rather than a shot in the dark (I vote ~5000 cause I'm a ******* that likes to pick the middle)... Eh, my math is flakey as hell, its early morning, and coffee hasn't kicked in so that is what, 2%? I mean 1% is 5000 right? So we'll go with 2% since that's what coffee fumes are telling me.

So we had 2% 'new and unusual' bannings compared to a 500,000 population assuming the 20k 'normal' bans are all trial/newer accounts made after the 500k confirmation a year or two back was it?

I am not trying to justify what was done mind you, but before people start spouting off "10-20% of the playerbase is gone!" that is just as old and annoying as "FFXI IZ DIENGZ!!!!!1111"
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#18Dartagnann, Posted: Aug 06 2009 at 6:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This proves nothing. We know have a denominator but we have no numerator to determine what percentage of these bans have been legitimate players. You can't conclude that because there were more bans this month that they all were legitimate players.
#19 Aug 06 2009 at 6:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm fine with a few regular player bannings to keep RMT off the streets. Much rather have that than more farming nerfs. I just think if SE is going to work this way, they really need to ramp up have Customer support and an appeals system.




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#20 Aug 06 2009 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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I'm fine with a few regular player bannings to keep RMT off the streets. Much rather have that than more farming nerfs.


From the side of someone who is currently unjustly banned.... I hope you are next. Then tell me how you feel about this statement.
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#21 Aug 06 2009 at 6:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dartagnann wrote:
Is it worth it to society to put 1 innocent man in jail and keep the majority of criminals off the street?

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I'm fine with a few regular player bannings to keep RMT off the streets.


Sure sounds good when you are not that innocent man. Please come back and tell us how you feel when you get wrongfully banned.
#22 Aug 06 2009 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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Dartagnann wrote:
I'm fine with a few regular player bannings to keep RMT off the streets. Much rather have that than more farming nerfs.

Great attitude you have there: 'sucks be to you if you're unlucky enough to be collateral damage'.

I hope you're @#%^ing next!

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 10:45am by Kragorn
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Kragorn wrote:
Dartagnann wrote:
I'm fine with a few regular player bannings to keep RMT off the streets. Much rather have that than more farming nerfs.

Great attitude you have there, sucks be to you if you're unlucky enough to be collateral damage.

I hope you're @#%^ing next!


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#24 Aug 06 2009 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
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One means of explaining the recent surge in bans without suggesting that 10-15k legitimate players were tossed in there is simply looking at whan the recent bannings have been all about.

As everyone is full aware SE just started cracking down on RMT gardeners, they haven't touched these guys in past ban cycles unless the account/character just happened to get caught for something else.

People who pay attention around the cities can attest to the virtual "clusterf***" of rmt gardening mules that have shown up in recent months running routes between certain npc's and the mog houses.

Just look at the number of gardening mules some normal (using this word lightly) gardeners have. I know there was one guy talking about his 94 gardening mules. Now imagine how many gardening mules the RMT could have been sitting on.

Also depending on how far you trust thatone persons claims of being banned for an IP address SE could finally be cracking down on RMT in that manner which would result in a surge of bannings.

Simply put you have to look at the big picture. Does anyone really think that 10-15k people could have been banned in the past month and there wouldn't have been more of a fuss? I mean yes we had a number of people come foreward when they got banned for gardening, but it wasn't anywhere near 10-15k.
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#25 Aug 06 2009 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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maybe I'm wrong and have bad memory (very likely) but weren't more people coming out saying they were banned during the salvage duping? were they more vocal?
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#26 Aug 06 2009 at 8:19 AM Rating: Default
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maybe I'm wrong and have bad memory (very likely) but weren't more people coming out saying they were banned during the salvage duping? were they more vocal?


Only a handful of people came forward and said their goodbyes from the salvage dupe. and that entire thing was messed up also, some people only got warning that acknowledged they did it, others were banned for being associated with it but never getting anything, guess anytime se does a ban there will be some that are not truthful, but you gotta believe that se is ******** each and every ban up to some degree and there has always been innocent getting hurt, and if you dont believe that you just need to wait until either you or someone you know is grabbed and that will open your eyes.

guess its a case of perceptual blindness

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