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#27 Aug 01 2009 at 2:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well after 7+ years of playing FFXI. Looks like I have NO choice but to quit.
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So after 7 years, and thousands of dollars in fees (pay for two accts.) SE says hit the door bub we don't want your cash.


This really is the last straw for me, I have no choice but to quit. I can't pay..... I can go buy a $2000 TV buy can't pay my $29 MMO bill.

#28 Aug 01 2009 at 2:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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manohman wrote:



This really is the last straw for me, I have no choice but to quit. I can't pay..... I can go buy a $2000 TV buy can't pay my $29 MMO bill.



Your account is now so secure that even you can't access it.
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manohman wrote:
This really is the last straw for me, I have no choice but to quit. I can't pay..... I can go buy a $2000 TV buy can't pay my $29 MMO bill.


Your account is now so secure that even you can't access it.


I lol'd so hard... Because it's true.
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#30 Aug 01 2009 at 2:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Good editorial I hope SE takes notice of this. I do wish you touched base a little more on the June wave of bannings, the "irregular activities" ones because those are the ones we have the least amount of info about, and that is the largest number of bans that are unsettled. A lot of the gardeners got their accounts back. I've heard very few of the "irregular activities" people get their account back, and they outnumber the gardeners. Still, good editorial. Thank you for posting it ^^ Here's to hoping SE doesn't just stop by and recite the ToS to us again as an excuse to keep silent about what they're doing by systematically destroying the player base.
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#31 Aug 01 2009 at 2:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just wanna say a what if thing.

What if all these people who were banned, were using their credit cards to buy gil and were banned and SE didn't wanna let you guys know so it wouldn't cause you to look down on someone you knew as a player.

All of you are pointing fingers at random stuff.

I mean doesn't SE know about who buys gil?

maybe they decided to start whacking the ones who buy too much.

even if people say it's gardening, someone could lie just to look good in front of everyone else and simply say I never did anything wrong.

I am just throwing it out there, I haven't posted in a long time, just thought I would add my 2 cents even if this may or may not be the reason.



I have never bought gil on my life. Bad karma to suggest innocent players are closet gil buyers.
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#32 Aug 01 2009 at 2:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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It was a good read and raises some valid points. My inner-customer is telling me how poor the service can be alot of the time, and the inner-RPGer in me is saying "But its SE! They walk where Angels fear to tread!" My biggest concern now though, is not that its happening in FFXI (which I am largely finished with now) but that the same sloppiness transfers over to XIV. Also, I wonder what all this bad press will do to potential customers. Surely it wont attract them.

Although the content was great, whoever is writing these strips and keeps dropping one sentence punchy paragraphs to make points-- please stop! Its a very effective grammatical technique for highlighting specific points; but I mean really its beginning to look like a GM Dave blog!

Still though, good read :)
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#33 Aug 01 2009 at 3:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I mean doesn't SE know about who buys gil?


They did, they just decided its too much work to find evidence and decided that SUSPICIOUS behaviour is sufficient offense to wield the banhammer.

Since no one can be above suspicion. Anyone can become a victim now.


That being said, is Consumer Protection, Where?


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#34 Aug 01 2009 at 3:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Err.. Thayos and Elmer you need to correct the editorial a bit. There are some mistakes/missing details:

#1/ SE did not acquire Ubisoft - famous for Tom Clancy's series and Assassin Creed - unless this is very new. SE acquired Edios Interactive - famous for Tomb Raider series and Hitman - and changed it to Square Enix Europe, I think.

#2/ Currently, other than having SE US branch, SE is teaming up with Gas Powered Games - famous for Supreme Commander series and Demigod - to produce Supreme Commander 2 and a rumored World War 2 strategy game, in their US market expansion.

Otherwise it's a good editorial.
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#35 Aug 01 2009 at 3:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nice to see something from Alla Admins, well written as well. Not as harsh as I would have written and I think you give SE too much credit.
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#37 Aug 01 2009 at 4:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Good read.

It really make people think twice before even consider FF14 next year with crap like this.

I am not even sure if I was banned too as I also have a garden mule that grow ice ore and NPC the plat leaves all the time, if that is the factor that cause the banning I am probably gone there too.

But I wouldn't know, cause I stopped playing before the update, so to find out if I was banned I have to spend hours doing the update just to put up with that crap, I'd rather give it a miss.

I found WoW's customer service Godly after seeing this (just had my first GM chat).
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I found WoW's customer service Godly after seeing this (just had my first GM chat).


I'm sorry but Blizzards Customer Service is ******* AMAZING. 90% of the GM's are awesome as hell, and you'll almost always get results. And they, gasp; answer questions.

Of course, Blizzard doesn't randomly ban players and not tell them why, especially not on a mass scale. More reasons WoW just wont ******* die. But you know what, at this point I can't really WoW-***** anymore.

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What I dont understand is, Customer Representative, is SUPPOSE to keep up the relationship with the playerbase, that is what they hired to do, so where are they?

SE fired lots of good game programmer in the past year or 2, but I think it is the CS that they should be firing.
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What I dont understand is, Customer Representative, is SUPPOSE to keep up the relationship with the playerbase, that is what they hired to do, so where are they?

SE fired lots of good game programmer in the past year or 2, but I think it is the CS that they should be firing.


Its not that the Cust. Rep. is bad, anyone would get a short fuse being at the firing end of irate customers of a corporation that gives the cust. rep. NO authority to do anything except be evasive and non-committal.
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#41 Aug 01 2009 at 4:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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SE didn't buy Ubisoft they bought Eidos. Sent him a PM with correction.

ps: Am I the only one that feels SE is more likely to just throw up their hands and remove the west from any future MMO project, rather than change their ways?
Seems to me they would do that before they listen to us.

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#42 Aug 01 2009 at 5:24 AM Rating: Decent
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During the past few months SE has banned at least 5 good friends from FFXI, I say "at least" because some friends are still MIA and we sincerely have no idea what happened to them. So adding those to about a dozen LS members and friends who have quit the game during the past months I have pretty much lost like 20 FFXI friends recently, it doesn't bode well. I have gone like a pariah from LS to LS ever since I started FFXI and it happens after every banning period, and may I add that from one single unfair banning several friends quit and the LS I am in gets reduced to ashes. This forces the few LS members left to either reform or each go their ways trying to find a LS which will admit them.

Eventually the players will all be reaching their limit of tolerance and if things like this keep happening FFXI won't have much life left in it and neither will FFXIV, because who will guarantee if my buddy or I got banned in FFXI who is gonna stop them from banning us again for reasons unexplained in FFXIV? I will add I have never cheated, MPKed on purpose (as a long time BST I have accidentally MPKed people who set up their camps in the pathing of my Beastmaster pets, back when this kind of things happened), nor have I bought gil or been involved in RMT or botting of any kind. I am just your average gamer, and most of the friends that have quit, or been banned are the same. Not gonna say a couple of them might have cheated, but it was only a small fraction of my friends.

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#44 Aug 01 2009 at 5:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just wanna say a what if thing.

What if all these people who were banned, were using their credit cards to buy gil and were banned and SE didn't wanna let you guys know so it wouldn't cause you to look down on someone you knew as a player.

All of you are pointing fingers at random stuff.

I mean doesn't SE know about who buys gil?

maybe they decided to start whacking the ones who buy too much.

even if people say it's gardening, someone could lie just to look good in front of everyone else and simply say I never did anything wrong.

I am just throwing it out there, I haven't posted in a long time, just thought I would add my 2 cents even if this may or may not be the reason.


Reminds me of when those hackings happened and I came to Alla and got the "you did something wrong" mentality from many posters here. It was a rough period of learning but I cant say I took nothing away from the experience and understand fully how many of the people randomly banned must feel. Too many people are getting banned and posting about it for it to just be random RMTers crying that SE cut their fix.

SE can make mistakes and this looks like a big one given that XIV is around the corner and their intention was to get people to give that a try once it launched. What kind of impression does the XI base get about XIV when people are being randomly banned here and have no other recourse but to throw themselves to the CS firing line? Huge blunder for SE that only gets even more glaring as the silence continues.

SE refused to take action back with the hackings and it ended up taking me 7 months to reobtain my account (slogging through CS hell) but Id have thought they'd learn from previous experience how to best communicate with players after events like this. A simple:

"Recently it has come to our attention that a number of players feel that they were wrongfully terminated from the PlayOnline services including FFXI and so investigations on our end will begin as soon as possible to resolve this issue. Thank you for your patience during this investigation phase."

would suffice. It's understandable that they want to combat RMT with guns blazing (after years of ignoring it) but how much collateral damage does it take before they realize in the process of gassing the RMT that they've gassed their own playerbase? Or have they adopted a scorched earth policy over at STFU headquarters.
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#45 Aug 01 2009 at 5:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Square Enix might have wrote:


I am SE and I am banning you all for questioning My(lackof)Logic!

What's that, you're going to legitimately complain? I can ban more than just Logic! Now that I'm banning ideals I mind as well ban love and hate too. DO NOT LOVE THE COOKIES. DO NOT HATE JP. I'm not racist though, serious guys. I just think JP are better than you. But you are all equal because you give me money. Please don't stop giving me money.
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Excellent editorial!

... It's a shame that it most likely won't phase the juggernaut that is SE's blundering developers, but it's especially scathing coming from one of their premiere sites!

I hope it does wake them up enough to come off their grand mountain and deliver onto us some more of their wisdom...

And people better not completely **** themselves this time when they do. The ninja nerf of elemental resistances was one thing (since it was stunning that they even admitted it), but they owe us this explanation.
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#47 Aug 01 2009 at 6:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Excellent editorial.

The ubisoft thing was already mentioned. I looked on their news page and yep, no Square-Enix mention. So it's not a new thing.

Forgive the analogy, but it does truly seem like SE used an ICBM with a nuclear multi-warhead tip to take out a rice paddy.
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#48 Aug 01 2009 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Was a fun read, thanks for putting it up. I can't imagine anything interesting coming back from the SE community rep account that posted last time you called them out, but at least we know SE does listen and respond (somewhat) to bad press. AV and PW fights, ele resist adjustment, etc. and now this latest concern.
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If you are not willing to contact SE and discuss it with them, don't get upset when they ban you and won't discuss it with you.


Edit: minor typo

Edited, Aug 1st 2009 3:43am by KitMidgard


The big problem with that, though, is:

1). No Toll-Free Number. Seriously? Is SE lazy? In the Stone Ages? Any company that rakes in millions, billions, can afford a freaking Toll-Free number.

2). Very restrictive Customer Service hours. Some people actually have jobs, and/or the parents have jobs. Sometimes it is very hard to get ahold of them, during *business hours* Mon-Fri, when what, 80% of the US working population works? What, are we supposed to use company time to call an MMORPG company or something!?

3). Even when you DO call them, or use their web-chat, you spend hours on hold. You get billed long-distance for doing so, and half of the time, you get ahold of someone who doesn't even know how to handle your problem anyways.

Their customer support is atrocious and most people don't feel like spending 5 hours+ to get ahold of their so-called "Customer Service" only to not get anything done anyways. I refuse to use their call center; I am NOT paying an hour+ long distance to freaking CA.
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Above is a link to the article, as submitted, on N4G, which is a popular gaming news site.

If anyone has an account there, to approve the story, or take a look to increase its popularity, feel free to do so.

If this reaches the front page [Approved, 50%+] it'll likely be seen by a much wider audience, thus enabling us to give SE a bit more of a hint of what these actions could do for FFXI, and FFXIV.

This same site was part of the reason AV and PW got so much attention.

As for my comments on the article? Brilliant. I'm actually glad that an Admin sanctioned it, and allowed a post on the main site, so that SE know now that it isn't just the player base that are peeved, but their own affiliations.
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#51 Aug 01 2009 at 6:41 AM Rating: Excellent
Nice, if only we could get this article published with various subsidiaries of the news such as 1up.com, Kotaku and such. That way more people will read it, see how SE are handling the game and refuse to try out FFXIV due to fear they might repeat themselves with all this bullsh*t they're pulling.

But now even I'm starting to show fear that everyday I login, I'm going to get banned, especially now with the whole 'verify your credit card' bs. Since I updated my CC before they implemented it, I"m afraid they will ban me for not getting my CC authenticated. One thing is sure though; once my CC expires, I'm going to quit XI. I refuse to use another site to activate my CC just to play an online game.
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