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Of course it's still a keylogger, instead of recording only key strokes..it does a lot more hence it's become its own category (Keyloggers) because you won't go around saying you got a screen capture virus...or a memory reading virus...now would you? <.<

That could be considered wire fraud. I wouldn't recommend that method of making extra spending cash.

If you live in the EU, yes. Which is why EU players can just call up SE when they get hacked and SE will return their account immediatly. If they don't they get fined.

Edited, May 5th 2009 7:41pm by Lobivopis

Just wanna say I like the Security token, it's comforting to put it in every time I log in, I don't even mind typing in my Squareenix password. My only reservation is and you can find this too flip your security token over, on the back, now isn't it funny as much trouble as everyone has had with China, why is the security token Made in China?

Aside from that, i've read and seen some pretty stupid things occurring lately, IE people ordering the tag just for the item and throwing it out. It is my sincerest hope you get hit in the face with that decision in the most ironic way imaginable and please post about it here so I can get a good laugh in. I'll even throw in a free Darwin award to everyone who does end up hacked.

Btw a new tactic by rmt is to delete your main characters rather than just server transfer, and in some cases return the empty worthless account to the original owner later complete with passwords being reset. Good luck proving you just didn't sell/send your crap off then drop your stuff to make a buck off SE because that's what it looks like after they are done. Remember your decisions to throw the security token out when this happens.

There isn't a single service in existence that uses a similar means of security that doesn't charge for the device. Stuff costs money, learn to live with it or take the risk of loosing your account.

Also, I won't forgive you if this has already been posted, it's been posted to death. There have been multiple threads across multiple weeks covering this exact topic. The slightest bit of effort on your part and you'd have all the answers you could ever want on the subject.

Edited, May 6th 2009 8:36am by Turin

"IT SHOULD BE COVERED BT MY $12.95+ THAT I PAY THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE GOD FORBID I'LL EVER HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT'S OPTIONAL!"

Is pretty much what most who say they shouldn't have to pay for this think.

WoW hackings are a damn sight more often than 10% of FFXI hackings. In fact, it's a lot easier to be hacked in WoW without the key fob, as there's such a big target for RMT that they're putting a hell of a lot more effort.

SE aren't obligated to make players computers secure. That is, and -should- be entirely down to the player. There are so many things you can do yourself to reduce the risk of being hacked, but so many seem to believe it's SE's job to ensure their PC's aren't riddled with keyloggers.

Newsflash! It isn't.

Simply put, the key fob is an optional layer of security, that comes with a nice perk. I'm grateful for the keyfob, I have one for WoW too, and that one cost more than the SE one.

It's no where near an obligation of them to provide it, so personally, I think your rant is completely unjustified.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: I seriously doubt SE is making any real profit off of the tokens.

Even as cheap as the tokens are to produce, you have to figure that they are paying a vendor to produce them (who will mark it up), they have to pay to develop and support the database, pay for shipping and handling, and they most likely have to pay a licensing fee based on the number of users every month.

Once you total up all the costs of launching this, and compare the measly $10 everyone had to pay, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was actually costing SE money. Most likely, they are barely breaking even. The only upside, for SE, is that they will be able to pull people off of account hackings and reassign them elsewhere (which is good for us too, since it will hopefully mean faster response from customer service).

My PC is pretty secure. I run both a hardware and software firewall, I avoid any suspicious sites, I have up-to-date Virus scanning, I run malware and adware sweeps at least once a week. I am very unlikely to ever get hacked. I still planned on buying the token, even before I heard what the bonus was or knew how cheap it would be, because it takes that 1-in-1000 chance of my getting hacked and turns it into a 1-in-100,000,000 chance.

The Mog Satchel is handy. Extremely so. But you don't need it. You lived without it for years, and you could live without it for years more. If you don't want the token, don't buy one. But please stop seeing conspiracies where none exist. The Satchel wasn't designed for SE to profit off the tokens, but to encourage people to sign up for the added security, which makes SE's job easier and reduces a lot of stress from the playerbase. Honestly, the peace of mind I feel now is well worth the $10 and the extra ten seconds it takes to log in every day.

And yes, security on your PC is your responsibility, not SE's. If you use a weak password, or re-use your password on different sites, or if you share your account info with someone else, then you are to blame, not SE. If a program gets installed that pulls the password off your PC, then that is still not SE's fault. You are honestly better off blaming Microsoft instead of SE if your account gets hacked.

And if you got hacked to that extent, I promise you, you have bigger concerns than your FFXI account's integrity. Like, your online banking.

Somewhere around that (probably closer to $200/hr). Of course that's gross income, not net after overhead and taxes. Take home pay is closer to $90-100/hr.

Some of us do have very good jobs. And it's why I always laugh when some hardcore player calls me lazy for not having the best gear. They have no clue about my RL.

I bet a lot of people already know the reason they did it was because people were complaining and even suggesting they actually up the security even more (the token) and because not only do they NOT make any profit on these (not enough to be deemed a real profit) they save a lot more money than having to deal with people getting themselves hacked.

Edited, May 6th 2009 9:39am by Theonehio

Yup, and like Neubian said above... it was a good business decision. I mean, really... would and of YOU want to step in and deal with a continuing flood of users pissed off that their accounts got hacked? It's not fun for us, it's not fun for SE. We're sick of dealing with it, and you can bet they are too.

Btw, here is the link to the first time I suggested using a one-time password. That was three weeks before Blizzard even announced that they would be coming out with tokens for WoW. Now, I'm not going to think for a minute that my post was the reason Bliz or SE decided to use tokens. Clearly, Bliz's solution had already been in the works. Rather, I believe that the security folks at Blizzard came to the very same conclusion that I did in my post: one time passwords are the only way to protect against the types of attacks that have been occurring. SE eventually saw the light and followed suit.

Edited, May 6th 2009 3:53pm by VxSote

Blizzard uses the same tokens, sells them for much less, and still makes a significant profit off them. You're deluding yourself if you think they aren't making money off these sales.