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#52 Jun 05 2006 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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#53 Jun 05 2006 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I've read the OPs anger (and seen my own friends go through similar things with guys lying about being girls... to the point of showing pictures of someone else and all) and I've also read the responses (don't use the game as a dating service) but I've watched this time and again over my years playing this game...

Boys (Men, whatever) tend to treat people they THINK are girls differently, even if it's not about dating the player or anything. "Girls" get by with **** that a guy would get kicked from a party for. "Girls" get people spending hours and hours farming for them and camping NMs for them. "Girls" can hit level 75 in a job with a playing skill that would be embarrassing at level 50 but no one has the balls to say anything about it because they're 'just a girl'.


That's a bit depressing to read, at least for those of us who are women in RL. Then again, I think that those who don't make an issue of their RL *** within the game--neither to conceal it nor to flaunt it--are less prone to sucking and not realizing it (or maybe I just want to think so).

As for the OP, I can understand his annoyance. It's one thing if someone wants to play a female character when he's male in real life--the fact that two out of five playable races aren't divided into genders practically forces players to do this--but going far out of one's way to present himself as a woman in real life is...well, strange. Why misrepresent yourself? Your *** has no more effect on your in-game life than whether you're tall or short, so in order to lie about it, you must have some ulterior motive for doing so.

Maybe this is a sexist double-standard, but I can kind of understand the reverse (a woman pretending to be a man in real life); it'd cut down on the "r u hott???" tells and the casual assumption that someone who's "just a girl" can't play well. I can see someone wanting some peace from that. Even then, though, I wouldn't expect her to come up with fake photos and a full-on fictitious persona. People shouldn't be that interested in your real life anyway, nor should you be that interested in sharing yours with the public at large.

I'd have booted him/her out of the LS too. It isn't a matter of looking for romance online, it's a matter of being unwilling to trust someone who "shares" completely fabricated information about themselves.
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miltonare wrote:
The curse of playing a female character

lolremora :)

Edited, Mon Jun 5 13:46:09 2006 by miltonare
LOL.

Yeah. It's creepy, yeah. Wouldn't do that. It's kinda odd, but there's no real problem besides the "ew..." factor,if you don't give him/her/it anything. If you treat them the same as anyone else.

For those struggling with this concept...


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  • Keep it in your pants.
  • Cold shower.
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    #55 Jun 05 2006 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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    StubsOnAsura wrote:

    1. The internet is a horrible place to meet people, generally.


    I'd disagree with this slightly, as I enjoy meeting people on the internet. A more accurate restatement would be:

    1. The internet is a horrible place to have expectations of starting real-life relationships, generally.

    And yes, the OP is a moron.

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    Lokkii wrote:
    I have a rule when dealing with people on the internet....everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, is a big fat slobbenly male, period, exclamation point. Saves a lot of grief that way.


    You know, that attitude really isn't any better. As annoying as it is being a target for the Junior Interweb Horndog Patrol, having people treat you, by default, like some kind of charlatan isn't exactly a summer hayride either.

    I can't tell you how many times this has played out on various games. One particularly jarring episode happened when I used to play EVEOnline:

    <CorpLeader> Hey, everyone, welcome LeetPilot82, our newest member.
    <CorpGuy1> Hi, LeetPilot. Welcome to the corp :D
    <CorpGuy2> Heya!
    <LeetPilot82> hi lol
    <Me> Hi there :D
    <CorpGuy3> Welcome :)
    <CorpLeader> You joined at a good time, we're just about to head out on a mining op.
    <LeetPilot82> k neet
    <CorpLeader> Hey, Mindel, I hate to bug him, but could you ask your husband if he wouldn't mind bringing his barge out?
    <Me> No problem. He's just futzing around out back anyway :)
    <LeetPilot82> lol husband?
    <CorpGuy2> I can fly the barge if he's busy, I just need to borrow it. :D
    <Me> Yeah, my husband flies too. :D
    <CorpLeader> Mindel's hubby is one of our most skilled miners, actually.
    <LeetPilot82> u just run 2 accts
    <CorpGuy3> Mindel, you gonna run escort again?
    <Me> Sure, I don't mind.
    <LeetPilot82> Midnel just runs 2 accts on his comp lol
    <Me> >.>
    <CorpGuy2> Leet, she doesn't.
    <LeetPilot82> I bet he just scamms ur isk
    <CorpLeader> Leet, seriously, she and her husband are on teamspeak all the time. They're two people, believe me.
    <LeetPilot82> k, watever lol
    <CorpGuy1> Drop it dude, it's not funny.
    <LeetPilot82> just sayin, girl dont play this game. its prolly the dude's gf or sister or watever on ts :p

    Eventually the other members of the corp managed to convince him that my husband and I are actually two unique people, and not one nutcase with amazing voice talents. Of course, after that, it was a different brand of annoying. He would object to my running escort on missions (protecting the mining crew from pirates and other miscreants), refused to take my advice on tactics and ship fittings (despite being a somewhat accomplished thorax pilot with lots of pvp experience). Oh well, he didn't last much time in that corp. There were two other women in the corp, and they all got them same welcome. Enough was enough, and the leader fired the bum ;D

    The whole "OMG TEHRE R NO GRLIS ON TEH INTARNETS" thing is as annoying to me as the "HEY UR A GURL LETZ CYBAR!1!" thing. I'm here to play. I don't hide my gender, but I don't shove it in your face either. How about we just act like adults and not make a big production out of everything? Treat people as they treat you, and never go wrong. If they're honest and kind, be the same way in return, and don't worry so much about their secrets and motivations.
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    Ima girl dumbass lol view my sig pics.


    I wouldn't call that a girl, seriously.

    It might be female, but it's not a girl. Not an human one, that's for sure.
    #58 Jun 05 2006 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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    Bluuug wrote:
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    Ima girl dumbass lol view my sig pics.


    I wouldn't call that a girl, seriously.

    It might be female, but it's not a girl. Not an human one, that's for sure.


    What the hell is wrong with you?
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    Mindel, I know lots of husband and wife teams that play together on a wide verity of games. That attitude is really un-called for, why should your gender matter in a game? Playing around with your pals is one thing but because I'm a girl I'm less of a gamer? I've never had anything just handed to me and frankly why would I? What fun is a game where your given things based on your ***. I've been playing video games since pong and I can tell you all, I don't care what stereotyping is done I'll keep playing till I'm old and gray.

    I don't jugde anyone based on their ***, race, sexual orientation, political affiliation, or role playing style. Because it really doesn't matter, either you play well or you don't.
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    #60 Jun 05 2006 at 3:51 PM Rating: Default
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    Yeah, Mindel, what's wrong with you ?

    Try to be nice for once !

    Edited, Mon Jun 5 16:59:32 2006 by Bluuug
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    Tempusdesire wrote:
    Ima girl dumbass lol view my sig pics.


    Edited, Mon Jun 5 15:49:33 2006 by Tempusdesire


    Yeah. Like I'm going to believe that!

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    #62 Jun 05 2006 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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    I'm reminded of a classic bash.org quote here...
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    Welcome to the internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and little kids are FBI agents.



    As much as a nuisance as it is to have people assume you're a man by default, 90% of the time their assumption is actually correct--there are entirely too many crossdressers on the internet looking for free handouts and the comedy goldmine of trolling horny losers. I'm pretty dense against most forms of *************** and my handy "man-dar" hasn't failed me yet...

    On the other hand, I do, in fact, play a female character in-game, although that's partly vanity and partly comedy gold; it always amuses me when a girl solos a Quadav double her size with nothing but her fists, and I can actually wear a subligar without getting a CHR-10000 stat. Bulges {No thanks.}.
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    #63 Jun 05 2006 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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    Mindel wrote:
    <<Long quote compressed for reasons of space, scroll up if you want to read it>>


    That's the same sort of attitude I was trying (and apparently failing...) to get at with my post. Way too many guys I've seen treat female gamers (and those they presume to be female) like we are incapable players and need to be given gear/items/gil or have our NMs camped for us or allowed to be extremely bad players (WHM, why are you meleeing when you are out of MP, shouldn't you rest? Oh, she's just a girl.) And those are the guys who think they're being NICE. There will always be people, men and women alike, out there to exploit that. And there will always be people who are outraged when they find out they've been being manipulated by someone pretending to be a girl in order to have people be nice to them/give them things/let them get by with being a lousy player. Meanwhile, real female gamers suffer from these stereotypes perpetuated at least in part by people who aren't women at all!

    Moral of the story: Have the same standards for female players as for males and stop giving them stuff and you'll have a lot less men pretending to be women to take advantage of you.

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    you TOTALLY misunderstand why the male players are giving the female players all that stuff.
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    I know someone who use two accounts on a specific forum. They played both genders. The "roleplay" they did was the two were siblings. Brother and sister. The person went on to do this for an entire year. The brother and sister account each had it's own set of online friends, and both had different levels of reputation(both positive).

    The person playing both was a man. He had a girlfriend, and she didn't know about the "roleplay"(best choice of word). Until one day she cornered him by talking to the "sister" on AIM. She said she will come and visit the "sister". He was caught red handed, as why would you panic when someone says they will come see you and your brother, unless one of them don't exist?

    3 days later he admitted the truth to everyone on a forum and his reputation plummetted and he faded away into history. It hit him harder than his friends(all of them combined) because it wasn't his nature to 'hurt' people emotionally. Still though the ACT of deception will always inflict anger/sadness, etc... His relationship also fell through the floor. She didn't want to date a liar.


    I really hate my grammar skills.

    Edited, Mon Jun 5 17:39:23 2006 by Zaleshea
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    shotgn wrote:
    you TOTALLY misunderstand why the male players are giving the female players all that stuff.


    No, I am just trying to point out that as long as you guys keep giving so-called girls stuff trying to get p***y then you're going to keep having guys conning you. Then you get all upset and whiny and I'm frankly tired of hearing it.

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    Well, as long as you understand the real reason things happen.
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    If the person was a good person, helpful, outgoing, didn't manipulate people for personal gain, then there is no problem.

    What it sounds like to me, is, somone got emotionally attached, possibly both people did, and came to a realization of the truth and it wasn't what they wanted. now they are on a streak of "revenge" for somthing they brought on to themselves :D


    This basically sums up my thinking on the issue. Basically the OP has proven he's a horny(/shocked) 13 year old who fails at life. I honestly don't know what you expected when you came on here to post this but I'll tell you honestly I find you to be trash. Coming on her and posting this nonsense without a shred of proof and using the people you suspect(THIS word is key) of "lying" real game names is pretty low. The WORST part is you tried to invade their privacy in REAL FRIGGING LIFE. I really hope your parents find out what kind of stuff you're up to and slag your PC.

    P.S. To ANY other horny freaks out there FFXI is NOT your personal dating service and going up to someone in the game and saying "do u want to cyberz?" is NOT a pick up line. If you did that in real life ANY woman who doesn't want you to pay for it would throw their drink in your face or slap you.
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    Ahhh, the internet:

    Where the guys are guys...
    The girls are guys...
    And the thirteen year old girls are FBI agents...

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    I think this PA comic sums it up quite nicely:

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
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    Just a reminder for anyone who didn't read the entire 1st page of the thread ... the OP is a girl. I'm not sure why she's so worked up over discovering that someone she met on the internet isn't exactly who he/she said he/she was.

    Back in 1991, I was set up on a blind date with a woman my friend said had "the body of a dancer" ... imagine my surprise when the "dancer" he must have been thinking of was "Rerun" from What's Happening. Let's just say I doubted that the girl had ever performed in Swan Lake ... something involving livestock would have been more fitting.

    But I digress ... I suppose the OP is upset because she feels that her trust has been violated. It's natural to want to punish someone when you believe a friend has betrayed you. But, what I'm not getting in all this is why the OP cares whether there really are "twins" or whether the offender is a guy or a girl. Absent romantic attraction, why would it matter? What "trust" has been violated?
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    Nezzi wrote:
    shotgn wrote:
    you TOTALLY misunderstand why the male players are giving the female players all that stuff.


    No, I am just trying to point out that as long as you guys keep giving so-called girls stuff trying to get virtual p***y

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    Zaleshea, that's a good edit. I was thinking the same thing. Let's say I could buy gil at the rate of $20/million. For the price of buying something "shiny" enough to earn me a virtual reward, I could probably just take the cash downtown and not have to strain my imagination.
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    /sigh the flames keep comming.
    While I do belive there is a Alexander/Noroelle and I have found proof that there is. I cannot prove there is no Alendria/Anuril though I'll let you come to your own conclusions.
    I do believe this is how I started this thread.

    I don't wan't to defend myself all day about this post. Have I wasted your time today? More then likely.
    Again, I posted this for awareness.I am warning XI and Lakshmi of this type of person who gives real women players a bad name.This is also the type person/player that will use you for what your worth. IE Gil and items.

    I work hard on my charecter and I like to keep it real in game aswell as in real life. I've met alot of my linkshell mates in real life and have bonded emotionaly with people I play XI with. Hell, I even met my boyfriend on XI and not only have we met IRL but we also plan to live with eachother.

    I think what bites my *** the most is that this person led me on to belive that he was a woman. Not only did I bond with her but I shared information with her I might not have done knowing she was a guy. My friendship was broken.

    Am I the asshat? Yes indeed I am. I let my defence down and trusted in someone I met online.
    Have I gone too far by checking my intuition? I don't believe I have. As a woman I always trust my intution. I feel better now that I know the truth and will no longer be so trustfull in people I meet online.

    /rant on
    As for you Alla junkies that would rather flame me then take a step back and put yourself in my shoes I have 3 simple letters for you GFY.
    /rant off






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    Tempusdesire wrote:
    /sigh the flames keep comming.
    While I do belive there is a Alexander/Noroelle and I have found proof that there is. I cannot prove there is no Alendria/Anuril though I'll let you come to your own conclusions.


    Most of us here are quite willing to believe that there is no Alendria/Anuril. We just don't care. I haven't noticed a worldwide shortage of drama; quite the opposite, in fact. Why do people insist on the need of manufacturing more?

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    OK, just a moment here...there. I'm in your shoes. And you know something? In your shoes, I still don't care. If I found out something like that about someone I was a friend with in FFXI, I wouldn't have let it bother me hardly at all.



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    This basically sums up my thinking on the issue. Basically the OP has proven he's a horny(/shocked) 13 year old who fails at life. I honestly don't know what you expected when you came on here to post this but I'll tell you honestly I find you to be trash. Coming on her and posting this nonsense without a shred of proof and using the people you suspect(THIS word is key) of "lying" real game names is pretty low. The WORST part is you tried to invade their privacy in REAL FRIGGING LIFE. I really hope your parents find out what kind of stuff you're up to and slag your PC.

    P.S. To ANY other horny freaks out there FFXI is NOT your personal dating service and going up to someone in the game and saying "do u want to cyberz?" is NOT a pick up line. If you did that in real life ANY woman who doesn't want you to pay for it would throw their drink in your face or slap you.


    You don't have to be a horny young guy to dislike people who misrepresent themselves as something they very much aren't online, LadyAjana. I'm not all that young, I'm not a guy, and only my husband needs to know about the third--yet I thoroughly mistrust people who create entire fake identities for themselves in real life. Their motives become suspect; why would someone pretend to be a woman to the point of having a fake identity and stolen pictures?

    Women talk about different things to other women than they do to men, sometimes; I'm sure it's the same for men. It's almost like eavesdropping to pretend to something you aren't in RL--and remember, I'm not talking about roleplaying here, I'm talking about creating an entire fake "real" persona?

    And it's not just gender, either. It's wrong to misrepresent yourself as much older if you're young or much younger if you're older. Yet I've known people who've done just that--as well as people who've pretended to have dire illnesses when they're perfectly healthy but just want sympathy, people who've pretended they were a player's brother while their fictitious sister, the "real" [Charactername], was in a terrible auto accident and was left in a coma, and other unsavory things.

    There's just something...off about someone who does that kind of thing. If you don't want to share much of your real self, that's great; if you do, though, it should be your real self, because otherwise there are some unpleasant motives there.
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