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#27 May 04 2006 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally I don't care about it being acquired by IGE. I don't have a premium account, and I acess all the stuff for free. If anything, I'm a minor blight on their bandwith :P.

Blood Diamond stuff is intresting... I actually didn;t know about that~ But I don't like diamonds anyways, so.
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#28 May 04 2006 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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Don't make my post count sit on you. :>

Maybe Lazrical is a sock, he does bring up good points.

Allakhazam, IGE, whatever the parent company is, we all know Keyser Soze controlls it all anyway, he just makes sure you don't know who you're working for. ;)
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#29 May 04 2006 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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I understand that the people who intend to stay at Alla might feel a little defensive right now, but the anti-anti-Alla rhetoric comes off just as fanatical as some of the anti-Alla rhetoric.

The idea that this is just a game therefore ideals don't matter is a little silly. The idea that other things are more important and therefore this is completely unimportant is also a little silly. If your sense of right and wrong changes depending on size of your concerns, that not reality, it's hypocrisy.

Alla generates revenue based on the number of people who visit the site and see the ads. Coming to this site generates advertising revenue. That revenue now goes to the same place that gil-selling revenue goes to. I'm not saying you should care (I'm still not sure if I do yet), but if you *do* -- if your personal values aren't cool with that connection -- then it's appropriate to be offended.
#30 May 04 2006 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I mean, honestly... How many of you continued to buy your clothing cheaply from The Gap, even after you knew full well that it was all pieced together by children in dismal sweat shops? The bad PR was enough to make them make cursory efforts to clean up their act, but it wasn't as a result of poor sales.

How many of you fellows bought engagement rings for your wives-to-be, fitted with stones that were provided to your jeweler via the diamond slave trade? Make no mistake about it ... almost every single diamond currently on the Western, English-speaking market is actually a so-called "blood diamond". There's almost a guarantee that if you've bought a diamond at any time, it came from one of these African countries: it was mined by a slave, who is kept in line by torture and sheer terror.

How many of you, knowing that, still have every intention of wearing your diamond jewelry, and buying diamond jewelry in the future?

How many of you actually stopped eating at KFC because of reports of inhumane cruelty to chickens on the part of its suppliers? How many of you stopped wearing your Nikes because of human rights abuses in the sweat shops in which they were assembled? How many of you purchase items, knowing full well where and how they were made, yet somehow manage to not care "enough" on a moral level to be a bit more discretionary with your buying habits?
Edited, Thu May 4 06:09:20 2006 by Lazrical


Well, I guess I get to throw a stone here. I don't buy diamonds mined by slave labor (my gf and I have already agreed: no diamonds), I buy produce and other goods that are both organic and "fair trade" certified. I'm very well-informed about conscientious buying habits, and I, generally, avoid Evil.

I agree with your general gist: RMT is a tiny, tiny misdemeanor in the world of corporate misbehavior. The so-called "sweat shops" are actually not bad from a work-conditions perspective in comparison to the conditions under which most of our clothes, for example, are produced. I see this kind of distorted 'geek rage' against Microsoft, whose worst crimes pale in comparison the activities of, say, Monsanto or Exxon.

But that doesn't mean it's inappropriate to take notice and take action. Just because littering is far more trivial than rape or murder, doesn't mean I lose the right to complain about - and to try to prevent - littering. And I don't need to do businesses with a litterer any more than I need to do business with a murderer, if I can help it and there are alternatives, particularly community-run alternatives such as FFXIclopedia.
#31 May 04 2006 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont buy from the gap, or buy diamonds (Because im broke, whee!). Now, that said.

You see, people interested in one issue arent interested in EVERY wrongdoing in the world. Sure, theres sweatshop work for gap clothes. Oh well, I dont associate with them. Suddenly, a company I DO associate with becomes involved with said company.

Thing is, I havnt seen said sweatshops and while yes its a bad thing it doesnt directly affect me. Gilselling DOES effect me, everytime ive been mpkd or had a botter claim some HNM/NM as soon as it pops. Gilsellers are a parasite on all of the games and everyone in the gaming community recognizes this. Except the gil buyers.

Now, as such we are not going to like anything being involved with said gilsellers. Sure, its not the biggest issue to everyone, but its a big issue to some people.

Just because we are very strongly against RMT doesnt mean were also against other things. But IGE is a business I want nothing to do with in game or out.
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#32 May 04 2006 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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#33 May 04 2006 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont buy from the gap, or buy diamonds (Because im broke, whee!). Now, that said.

You see, people interested in one issue arent interested in EVERY wrongdoing in the world. Sure, theres sweatshop work for gap clothes. Oh well, I dont associate with them. Suddenly, a company I DO associate with becomes involved with said company.

Thing is, I havnt seen said sweatshops and while yes its a bad thing it doesnt directly affect me. Gilselling DOES effect me, everytime ive been mpkd or had a botter claim some HNM/NM as soon as it pops. Gilsellers are a parasite on all of the games and everyone in the gaming community recognizes this. Except the gil buyers.

Now, as such we are not going to like anything being involved with said gilsellers. Sure, its not the biggest issue to everyone, but its a big issue to some people.

Just because we are very strongly against RMT doesnt mean were also against other things. But IGE is a business I want nothing to do with in game or out.


I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "people interested in one issue aren't interested in every issue in the world".

It's easy to take the moral high ground and talk about how "righteous" your cause is when it directly affects you. I'm sorry but if RMT didn't directly affect people complaining about it, I doubt they'd complain about it at all.

Which is netiher here nor there, but these same people turn around and claim they are on some holy crusade against the evil RMT empire, when in fact they are only complaining because they are PERSONALLY BOTHERED by it. They have no higher set of morals than the average person, they don't rally around any other cause, because nothing else is annoying them enough to spur them into action.

So, that's hypocritical.

Also, if you REALLY wanted to be hardcore, you could research pretty much anything the average person does on a daily basis, and link it to something that compromises your morals on some level. It's not about The Gap, KFC, or blood diamonds specifically.

I could probably go into the house of anyone of these people crying so adamantly about how RMT is "morally wrong" and find articles of clothing linked to sweatshops, or burned CDs/DVDs, or ****, or SOMETHING that is "morally wrong".

And I guess this is the part where the next 5 people post "I buy American", "I don't eat chicken", "blah blah blah". You missed the point. You are human, so you do SOMETHING wrong, by someone's set of standards and morals.

So, if you don't agree with RMT, fine, it's understandable. But for every one person like that you have 10+ that talk about how "moral" they are for not buying gil.

As annoying as RMT is, the people against it are becoming even more annoying because most are too self-righteous for me to even care what they are talking about.

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#34 May 04 2006 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Feba must have died of exhaustion from all the typing. He hasn't posted here yet. Maybe he's saving up his big 10k post for a special thread, or maybe he'll start his own just for the occasion!
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#35 May 04 2006 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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inhumane cruelty to chickens


Because chickens are people too...

I fill up my car with blood oil, wear the most expensive diamond rings, eat buffalo chicken wings, and wear clothese sewed together by little children in **********************

If you don't like it go to hell.

I don't have to patronize a company that undermines a game I play so gtfo


EDIT: also, if i can, i like to avoid putting cash in the pockets of a country of communists that would be happy to see me dead in a smoking nuclear crater.

Edited, Thu May 4 17:01:37 2006 by Foland
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