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just want to know how many PMs you got after a post like this? ^^

A couple of questions...

1.) Is there going to be a cost for aquiring this software once its out of Beta?

2.) Where are you hearing that SE will be writing in a generic windower of their own? Not that I wouldn't be pleased as hell to see it happen, I'd like a source. >.>

yes, it is against ToS to use this program, or any other add on program, including the windower you will need to run something like this at the same time as ffxi. theres no grey area about it, ALL windowers are against ToS and can get you banned, because without illegal windowers there would be no such things as bots, job change hacks, or any other cheat programs.
ff11 plays only in a full screen mode, without the ability to window it for a reason, to prevent you from using third party programs. even the windower itself, that is required to use this program, is against ToS and can get you banned if someone decides to report to a gm your using one. the windower is what gives people the oppertunity to use other cheat programs, like the one that chacks zone registrys for mob ToDs, or the bots, as well as all other cheat programs with the excaption of packet sniffers which can work indemepdently of your ff11 pc.


but its not like SE can tell if your using it though, as long as you dont every say your using a windower or this (or any other) third party add on program, no one will know the difference. just dont be dumb and talk about it and you dpnt run any risk or anyone reporting you and getting you banned. unless you make the stupid mistake of saying "my new windower is go great, it does this and that", a GM wolnt be able to read your log and ban you.

*buzzer* Wrong.

There are cheat progs that run in the background. If you set the requirements, you can runa cheat prog without using a windower. Nice try though.

Cirus, friend, you crack me up. Do you really think SquareEnix would be stupid enough to leave the ToD in your registry or even at a Memory Location? That's all server side.

Vana'Guide is not against the ToS. It does NOT alter the game. It can be run on a computer WITHOUT Final Fantasy. I'm not sure how it constitutes a cheat or an addon.

Windowers are not 'illegal'

There is a Hide button, and an "Always On Top" option. Using hide will slide Vana'Guide out to the far right of your screen so only 2-3 pixels show. Roll over it for 2 seconds to get it to pop back up.

Edited, Fri Oct 7 17:29:42 2005 by xConnox

Yes, they are. Dont try fooling yourself into thinking they arent. You can get suspended and even banned for using one. SE just kind of ignored it when it was only a windower, but with all the plugins for it, they are cracking down. But still, dont try fooling yourself or anyone else into thinking you cant get in trouble for useing it.

This sounds very interesting. I would love to see the final product and betea for it. Could/Would be a big help and time saver for going and manualy finding them on another PC. Also you got to remeber that people are not allways using bots. I for instance am a "Master" camper of Emp. When I camp him I almost allways get him cause I am that good. but is sucks that I am 0/22 (10 in a row) on him ; ;. i have also been asked 3 times by GM's if i am botting and they have not found me to be hacking at all.

**Gooder English ^^**

Edited, Fri Oct 7 17:57:26 2005 by lilfooo

Just wanted to chime in about FFXI and being able to handle running in a windowed and/or handling losing fullscreen mode.

They use D3D, and D3D makes it almost trivial to handle these situations.

Example of how to handle losing full screen gracefully:

if(FAILED( hr = pDev->TestCooperativeLevel() )) 
{ 
  switch(hr) 
  { 
  case D3DERR_DEVICELOST: 
    // Device isn't available. Exit function and do other stuff 
    // until the device is available again. 
    return; 
  case D3DERR_DEVICENOTRESET: 
    // Call some code that resets the device,  
    // and restores all device resources (vertex/index buffers, etc.) 
} 
else 
{ 
  // Code that renders everything... 
}

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Instead, what FFXI currently does is something like:

if(FAILED( hr = pDev->TestCooperativeLevel() )) 
{ 
  // Call function that pisses and moans about losing full screen, 
  // then rudely forces FFXI to punt the player out of the game, 
  // probably killing his party and losing the claim on a 24 hour HNM, all because 
  // his anti-virus software popped up a dialog box warning him 
  // that some jackass is trying to send him a trojan through Yahoo instant messenger. 
} 
else 
{ 
  // Code that renders everything... 
}

Either way, Vana'Guide isn't illegal. It wont get you banned. If you're concerned, use it on a PC that doesn't have FFXI installed on it.

Well, then you are correct. The windower has always been a violation of the TOS because it changes the FFXI code to allow it to window. But when the plugins that started reading info from the game were introduced SE stepped in and said, we will suspend you for using this. At least, I'd never heard of anyone getting suspened for using the windower before the plugins.

I'm intrested in this...

Wow thats pretty awesome.