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#1 Sep 15 2005 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
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ok for the last 3 days ive steadily been leveling my bard from 65 to 67.

and for the past 3 days i've been puller.

day 1. pt was smn, whm, rdm, brd, pld, mnk. with no "real" puller they said "you mind pulling" i of course said i would and my pulling career was started.
xp was approx 5.5k/hr off IT mobs in Bibiki Bay. 90% of the time i had the next mob back at camp right before the first mob was dead.

day 2. pt was whm, brd, rng, mnk, drk, nin. they ask the rng to pull. after 3.5k/hr i beg for a chance to pull. our xp skyrockets to close to 6k/hr. i've never leveled so fast.

day 3. pt was nin, thf, war, smn, rdm, brd. thf puller. one mob gets a little too close to camp so i sleep it. nin asks "please don't do that" then i'm like "can i pull one chain please" BOOM! chain 6 off ITs.
by the end of the pt nin was full swing into liking brd pullers. we had 2 deaths and were still able to get 5k/hr.

just giving everyone a heads up over there... if your brd is bored let them pull. you wont regret it.
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#2 Sep 15 2005 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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#3 Sep 15 2005 at 7:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Bard puller is extremely common 65+

Looks fun to,

Very common in KRT for both Monk parties and Manaburn

Bard pulls, buffs, mnks bash, bard pulls next, mnks finish off, start on next mob - repeat :D

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#4 Sep 15 2005 at 7:51 AM Rating: Default
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#5 Sep 15 2005 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
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Bard pullers are great, for a couple of reasons:

-Can use lullaby to claim the mob, then hit it with a dot to wake it up.

-Typically at the end of the fight (At least from what I know), I don't see them singing too many songs, typically just curing the PT. This is great because while the puller and other DD can stay behind and kill the mob (While gaining more TP for SC), the BRD can run out and pull a mob.

-Played properly, I think a BRD puller can be as good or even better than a Ranger or Thief puller.

Edited, Thu Sep 15 09:28:36 2005 by Credos
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#6 Sep 15 2005 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeh, i have seen many Bards pull, especially for manaburn and bone parties. They are badass. I <3 Bards.
#7 Sep 15 2005 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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The standard and semi ideal Bone Party setup is WHM/BLM<BLM for Escape>, RDM/WHM, BRD/WHM, and 3 MNK/WAR. <although some like to ditch the RDM and have 4 MNK/NIN>.

Now past chain5, you have to kill the next mob maybe 1 minute after the last mob died, now the thing about that is, if the next mob starts casting a long spell, then unless the mob gets there quickly, you lose chain. I've partyed without a BRD before in KRT, only like 6k an hour....ichy.
#8 Sep 15 2005 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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-Can use lullaby to claim the mob, then hit it with Elegy to wake it up.
You can't wake mobs using elegy, it's not a damage spell.

Personally I pull using Elegy then run back and cast Lullaby close to the party to sleep it. In most places I've pulled using Lullaby to claim a monster is total suicide as stuff would add more often than not!

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-Typically at the end of the fight (At least from what I know), I don't see them singing too many songs, typically just curing the PT. This is great because while the puller and other DD can stay behind and kill the mob (While gaining more TP for SC), the BRD can run out and pull a mob.
If the party kills fast enough (never had a party that actually killed too fast to not get all needed songs) the bard should be able to keep up all songs just as normal. It might be more of a problem if the bard has to snipe ae songs though.

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-Played properly, I think a BRD puller can be as good or even better than a Ranger or Thief puller.
Played properly a bard should always be better than both thief and ranger puller imho as no damage is lost. The only problem with bard pullers may be they're quite a bit weaker if something catches up and hits them (mostly a healer problem).


Anyway, I started pulling in the low 60ies (and honestly had no idea about bard pullers) due to horrendous boredom and the frustration of waiting all the time to get mobs into camp. One day I simply started dragging extra mobs into camp and since then any party which couldn't handle that kinda sucked (too boring Smiley: rolleyes ).
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#9 Sep 15 2005 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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Petriw wrote:
You can't wake mobs using elegy, it's not a damage spell.


Yeah, not sure what I was thinking. Its early, and BRD is the only job I have never unlocked. Elegy is BRD version of slow, I think requiem was the song I was thinking of.
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Had a party yesterday in Gustav fighting the Doom bones, setup was mnk/mnk/rdm/rdm/pld/brd, bard would pull the next mob (crab or bones) to camp before the first one was dead, so we had fresh mobs to hit hard, often we would get chain 6, and even managed a 7.

Bard would pull by sleeping the mob, and if its a bones, dispel it, other rdm would silence it, i'd dia/slow/blind and refresh myself and the bard, other rdm would silence/paralyze, refresh the paladin, we'd both cast fire 2 into the MB.

In about 3 hours got about 18+k xp.
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#11 Sep 15 2005 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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As long as they do it right, they're excellent.

But don't just ask a BRD to pull if they have no idea how to do it. I have had BRD pullers that wait til the fight's over, then go pull, and having songs wear off on melee and mages while he's out there. If a BRD offers to pull or wants to learn, I'm all for it, but I'm not going to make someone pull who doesn't know how regardless of his job.
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#12 Sep 15 2005 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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letting the brd pull also lets them get themselves to yellow health for that latent -25% song cast time ring thingy they have (forget the name of it but its sexah)
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#13 Sep 15 2005 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Doesn't have to be 65+ I pulled virtually every party from 25-73 (where I am currently) except for a couple of parties in Valley of Sorrows and Kuftal (both Raptors where we had rng/nin pull)
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#14 Sep 15 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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If you fight mobs that have a lot of buffs, pulling with finale helps too, assuming your bard can outrun what is being pulled.

>.>

I swear I have a troll, what the hell was so offensive about this post.

Edited, Thu Sep 15 12:03:58 2005 by clintffxi
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#15 Sep 15 2005 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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You had a ranger in one of your parties.

Now, RNG is a better puller than just about anything else, maybe THF or WAR/NIN in the right situations.

Yes, BRD CAN pull, doesn't mean they should. If the party is killing fast enough, I barely have the time to put on two melee songs, two ballads, and have enough time to make sure my stoneskin is up, no one needs erase, etc (whm subjob duties).

Only time BRD would be the best puller would be in KRT, or a manaburn.

I'd guess your experiences were the result of having a bad puller, and you being good at it, not BRD being superior at pulling.
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#16 Sep 15 2005 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I've only been in one party where the BRD pulled, and this was way back when I was in my 30s(?) as my MNK. We were in SSG by the entrance to Norg and the BRD would pull w/ Foe Lullaby and our EXP gain was great.

So even at lower levels, BRD would still make a viable puller.
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#17 Sep 15 2005 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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I think we have some RNG trolls rating down everyone for suggesting that a Bard can do their job better.

In a party as long as we're getting good exp and the party can handle it I don't care who pulls. Unless i'm tank and leader asks me to pull. I say no because i've been a healer in those kinda parties and DAMN talk about a mana drain.

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#18 Sep 15 2005 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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In my experience the thing that makes for a good puller is that
the person Knows How To Pull! I have met more then my share of
Rngs, Thfs and Sams who had no clue about how to pull while I
have pulled with I think every single job other then Whm and Blm
Most jobs are capable of pulling most mobs (Tigers and Raptors
excepted) so I think that skill>job here although Utsusemi is
very nice to have.
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#19 Sep 15 2005 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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I think if there's a rng or thf in the party, they should be the ones pulling. After a bard casts their songs there's a second or two delay where they can't move. This two seconds is enough for the mob to catch up to the bard. At 65 I'm getting hit by xp mobs for 130-200 points per hit. So if I get hit 4 times, I'm as good as dead. I've also found that my lulaby is starting to become unreliable these past few levels. The resist is around 20%, which means that ever 5th pull a mob will be trying to eat me :(

Last time I leveled, there was a DRG and a MNK. The mnk pulled with pebbles and chi blast and the SC was wheeling thrust > dragon kick for a light SC. I ended up doing this in each party:

mnk pulls mob
elergy, requriem, light etude
minuette IV
start casting minuette III
Mob dies
finish casting minuette III
Balad 1
Start casting balad 2
Mnk shows up with another mob
Finish balad 2
repeat

We had some down time when we ran out of mobs to kill. With as fast as we were going, I would have had no time to pull and keep buffs up.
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Bladestriker wrote:
In my experience the thing that makes for a good puller is that the person Knows How To Pull! I have met more then my share of Rngs, Thfs and Sams who had no clue about how to pull while I have pulled with I think every single job other then Whm and Blm Most jobs are capable of pulling most mobs (Tigers and Raptors excepted) so I think that skill>job here although Utsusemi is very nice to have.


Bladestriker is right. Anyjob can pull. I have pulled with everyjob except Dragoon, Thf, and Smn (3 jobs I have never leveled).

When it comes down to it a competent blm puller who know what he is doing will do a better job than a thf/nin who doesn't.

In my static I usually pull (rng/nin) but on occasion depending on what mobs we are fighting and what area we are in, the bard will go and pull chain 5 or 6 etc. While the rest of the party is still fighting.
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#21 Sep 15 2005 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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Bard is the best puller, hands-down, because they can do their job even when they aren't present at the camp. Sing you 4 songs and voila, you have a minute or two before you have to "do your job" again. Bard = Efficency.
Only song that has a 1-2 second delay is Threnody, Elegy has no penalty and Finale only a split second.
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Bards can puller earlier then you think.

I was the brd puller in my Garliage Citidel party from 34-38 (Uber party). Basically I would go out, and banish a bat. (If i ever do this again ill macro in a short bow as to save the mp)
I would then come back to camp, and sleep the bat. I then did my threnody (elegy at later levels). Ballad and etude the mages/pld. Re-sleep bat, Minuet and Madrigal the melee. By this point, they were done with the previous bat, and had gone for the new, sleeping bat. I would then requim and re-threnody(re-elegy) the bat, then go pull another. I must say that this was an uber party. However I owe greatly to the blm. That elvan had like 100 cooking, and made juices for him, the rdm, and the pld.

In later partys, if i ever get a party w/ a rdm+nin. I will go /rdm(faster song times) and get a bow, and then be a puller agian. After all, In a normal party i spend most of my free time healing or resting for mp. With a nin+ rdm combo, i wouldnt need to help heal, and i could spend my free time out pulling.
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BRD puller = super party.

At my level I can sub RDM for Fast Cast II, use a harp for extra distance between myself and mob, and pull with Elegy.

Bard songs do not count as magic, and will not draw magic-aggro mobs. This will become key in {SKY} where you fight Weapons, Pots and golems at the end-game levels.

Foe Lullaby, Bard's sleep song, is light-based and is effective against the undead.
This will be key when you pull in places such as King Ranperre's Tomb, where RDM and BLM will not be able to land Sleep on the undead.

To cover my butt I use Stoneskin and Phalanx which absorbs about 3-4 hits from EXP level mobs. Blink if I'm really desperate, but I usually forgo Blink because it takes so long to cast. I am currently leveling NIN for Utsusemi: Ni at LVL74.

Bard is very fun because you are constantly on the move, and by being the puller it adds a whole new dimension to the job. Being a puller requires a lot of skill but I think once you get the hang of it you will really enjoy it. It's a shame there are so few Bards, it's such a cool job.
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brd pulling is very very common at higher levels, espicaly in sky. reason being is the brd is the one with free time in battle to run off and grab the next mob, and sleep it at camp without getting any magic aggro from other mobs.

with a brd pulling all your dmg dealers are still fighting the mob instead of one pulling, and the next one is waiting next to you asleep when you finish the first. pt where brd pull are usually very fast and very good, and some brd will come equiped specificly to pull, one really good brd on my server eats fish kabobs and wears genbus kabato with Shi'ar body and a pt with him pulling is absolutly amazing. with brd pulling we regularly make chain 8 to chain 12+ in a good pt on weapons in sky. too bad arrowburn pt got nerred, with a bunch of well equiped rng the chains in those pt used to go into the 20s with a good brd pulling.
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Check out the bard forums, there are lots of threads discussing this.

At higher levels, when bards can sleep pretty much anything reliably, the sing 2 songs -> pull with elegy -> sleep mob at camp -> repeat method works very very well, and is basically required if you hope to break chain 6 (chain 26 in sky (main entrance), 13 in the water camp, 11 at ulli camp, etc (limited by the number of mobs avalable), basically unlimited chains in KRT or sea)

At earlier levels, bards are still the A#1 puller (as already mentioned) because once songs are up, we can leave the party to look for another mob while still contributing fully to damage output and recovery. If sleep isn't an option the bard simily waits until they see the xp from the previous mob before elegying the next mob and running back to camp (still saving 50% of the time that another puller would take).

Especially in a group that's able to kill mobs in less than a minute (and therefore can access chains past 5) a bard puller becomes very handy.

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As a bard my typical xp/time from about level 55 onward was something like 6-8k/hour. Peak was over 12k/hour, at 75 it's still very possible to pull in 10-11k/hour. No these were not in -burn parties, I only participated in one arrowburn and one manaburn party while leveling and found the xp/time was sub-par relative to a good ballanced party.

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I once was in a party with a BRD puller in Valkurm Dunes. Lullaby the mob and run back to us. Plenty of time for us to all get ready to kill.
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