What the hell? Why are children commenting on the birth of games if they think the NES was it....
And why the hell did it double post?
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"There are two basic kinds of power in this universe; Power over Reality, and Power over Destiny. What you would identify as Gods posess the former, whereas you mortals have the latter."-Nihel
I survived getting hit with EES at less then 70 HP on BST =D (<3 RNGs who EES with Bloody Bolts)
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This is a fascinating thread. With a lot of good views and the normal
amount of crap replies. But I think there are a lot of issues which
people have forgotten. And in no way consider this a complaint. In
any event, I'm going to speak in generalizations, so no flame back
with exceptions to my comments.
Issue 1: Who are the gil farmers
Let's be realistic. No one in NA or JP can make enough money gil
farming to dedicate the kind of time necessary to camp a mob 24x7.
People in JP and NA and EU play the game for enjoyment. Anyone
from JP/NA camping is there to achieve a goal - even if the goal is
to make enough gil to buy another expensive object.
Issue 2: JP players are all elitist.
There is some truth to this, but consider the reasons why. They have
had the game much longer than NA. This is a game that requires time
and dedication. There really aren't any quick ways (short of buying
a character) to get to the elite levels other than playing a lot.
At this point, the game has weeded out the JP players who didn't have
the patience to reach high levels. The same is not true for NA where
we still have a large group of players who lack the dedication to
make it to 75.
And if you've leveled a job to 75, you have really learned a lot about
the game. When you go back to level another job, it's got to be
frustrating to find party after party of inexperienced players who
waste your time. Haven't you noticed that it's often one out four
parties that are really successful. Can you blame the JP players for
wanting to focus on parties with experienced players. Especially if
it's a simple as asking for JP only parties.
Having said that, there are obviously many experienced players on
both sides of the pacific who enjoy helping new players. Sadly,
there's an equal number of noobs who can't handle constructive
criticism.
Issue 3: NA has exacerbated the gil farming situation.
I would say this is very true. The playstation release opened the
game to a large pool of players, many of whom aren't the most
mature people in the world. Instant gratification is the norm,
and they have no problems whipping out the credit card to buy some
gil. Others were only so happy to provide the supply.
Now, you can't fault SE for trying to widen their market and make
more money. Unfortunately, many of the players they've gotten would
rather complain about the game than to put the effort in that the
game requires. And banning players doesn't help the bottom line.
Issue 4: Fishing is broken.
Yes it it. Completely. Bots have killed fishing. An SE seems to
have abandoned attempts to truly fix it. Rather, they've clamped it
so badly that real fisherman have lost out. I'm guessing that the
whole botting thing has proved too hard to deal with. I've never
botted, but I've watched TV with a controller in my hand. I would
probably not have noticed a /tell from a GM if one had been sent.
I can certainly understand why this is so hard to fix.
Issue 5: Things were just as hard for the successful JP players.
It's important for everyone to remember that the game has changed
dramatically over the last year. When the JP players started
playing there were no high-level players. They had to work
together to achieve their goals. And there was less competition
for NMs and key drops. Things were cheaper. That's not true
anymore.
Inflation has been continuous through the game. It costs a lot more
to outfit a lower level job than it used to. This creates more
demand for gil. And ways to make money have been reduced by
gil farmers and bots. I'm sure the 500gil spent on a teleport used
to go a lot further a year ago than it does now.
Not that the JP had it all good. NA really needs to thank them for
the wealth of information now available on the game. The lives
of all NA players are much easier now with the information that was
gained over the year the JP had the game to themselves.
Crafting is another good example of something that used to be
easier. I was very saddened to notice that high level synthers
were selling below cost the items I was using to skill up. I
learned that they were simply synthing for HQs and taking the loss
on the regulars. What this has done is to make the costs of
leveling a craft much higher for the recent players.
Issue 6: Food changes.
All I can say is, wtf were you thinking, SE. I don't doubt that food
will become a lot more interesting now, but couldn't you have used
those resources more effectively somewhere else?
In Summary:
I think that Square-Enix are victims of their own success. They've
created a complex game, but it can be so complex that many players
get frustrated and leave fairly early. At the same time, they have
many players at higher levels they have to keep interested.
Creating things like Promyvion has caused them to take their eyes
off the game as a whole and address some of the playability issues.
Worse yet, competing games are starting to show up. They really
have their work cut out for themselves.
amount of crap replies. But I think there are a lot of issues which
people have forgotten. And in no way consider this a complaint. In
any event, I'm going to speak in generalizations, so no flame back
with exceptions to my comments.
Issue 1: Who are the gil farmers
Let's be realistic. No one in NA or JP can make enough money gil
farming to dedicate the kind of time necessary to camp a mob 24x7.
People in JP and NA and EU play the game for enjoyment. Anyone
from JP/NA camping is there to achieve a goal - even if the goal is
to make enough gil to buy another expensive object.
Issue 2: JP players are all elitist.
There is some truth to this, but consider the reasons why. They have
had the game much longer than NA. This is a game that requires time
and dedication. There really aren't any quick ways (short of buying
a character) to get to the elite levels other than playing a lot.
At this point, the game has weeded out the JP players who didn't have
the patience to reach high levels. The same is not true for NA where
we still have a large group of players who lack the dedication to
make it to 75.
And if you've leveled a job to 75, you have really learned a lot about
the game. When you go back to level another job, it's got to be
frustrating to find party after party of inexperienced players who
waste your time. Haven't you noticed that it's often one out four
parties that are really successful. Can you blame the JP players for
wanting to focus on parties with experienced players. Especially if
it's a simple as asking for JP only parties.
Having said that, there are obviously many experienced players on
both sides of the pacific who enjoy helping new players. Sadly,
there's an equal number of noobs who can't handle constructive
criticism.
Issue 3: NA has exacerbated the gil farming situation.
I would say this is very true. The playstation release opened the
game to a large pool of players, many of whom aren't the most
mature people in the world. Instant gratification is the norm,
and they have no problems whipping out the credit card to buy some
gil. Others were only so happy to provide the supply.
Now, you can't fault SE for trying to widen their market and make
more money. Unfortunately, many of the players they've gotten would
rather complain about the game than to put the effort in that the
game requires. And banning players doesn't help the bottom line.
Issue 4: Fishing is broken.
Yes it it. Completely. Bots have killed fishing. An SE seems to
have abandoned attempts to truly fix it. Rather, they've clamped it
so badly that real fisherman have lost out. I'm guessing that the
whole botting thing has proved too hard to deal with. I've never
botted, but I've watched TV with a controller in my hand. I would
probably not have noticed a /tell from a GM if one had been sent.
I can certainly understand why this is so hard to fix.
Issue 5: Things were just as hard for the successful JP players.
It's important for everyone to remember that the game has changed
dramatically over the last year. When the JP players started
playing there were no high-level players. They had to work
together to achieve their goals. And there was less competition
for NMs and key drops. Things were cheaper. That's not true
anymore.
Inflation has been continuous through the game. It costs a lot more
to outfit a lower level job than it used to. This creates more
demand for gil. And ways to make money have been reduced by
gil farmers and bots. I'm sure the 500gil spent on a teleport used
to go a lot further a year ago than it does now.
Not that the JP had it all good. NA really needs to thank them for
the wealth of information now available on the game. The lives
of all NA players are much easier now with the information that was
gained over the year the JP had the game to themselves.
Crafting is another good example of something that used to be
easier. I was very saddened to notice that high level synthers
were selling below cost the items I was using to skill up. I
learned that they were simply synthing for HQs and taking the loss
on the regulars. What this has done is to make the costs of
leveling a craft much higher for the recent players.
Issue 6: Food changes.
All I can say is, wtf were you thinking, SE. I don't doubt that food
will become a lot more interesting now, but couldn't you have used
those resources more effectively somewhere else?
In Summary:
I think that Square-Enix are victims of their own success. They've
created a complex game, but it can be so complex that many players
get frustrated and leave fairly early. At the same time, they have
many players at higher levels they have to keep interested.
Creating things like Promyvion has caused them to take their eyes
off the game as a whole and address some of the playability issues.
Worse yet, competing games are starting to show up. They really
have their work cut out for themselves.
Zot on the Sylph Server
I would just like to say one thing
We all brought this appon ourselfs
We ******* and **********
They do something about it finally
AND YOU ***** ABOUT IT
Its our flaut ALL OF OURS not just NA
So in the end...
We are only human but if someone trys to slove your problem and you ***** about how they did it... its you who started it in the first place
And that is what i think... now we all have to suffer for what we have done...
We all brought this appon ourselfs
We ******* and **********
They do something about it finally
AND YOU ***** ABOUT IT
Its our flaut ALL OF OURS not just NA
So in the end...
We are only human but if someone trys to slove your problem and you ***** about how they did it... its you who started it in the first place
And that is what i think... now we all have to suffer for what we have done...
Those who follow the wolf will... well im not sure maybe just go around following them... ||.^
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Well lets complaining will get us. For our subject we will take the game of Ultima Online (UO). I started playing that game early on.
At the start:
If you had 20k gold and a sword of Power you where wealthy beyond messure. Orcs, trolls and deamons where gods and groups of people where needed to kill them. Game was very fun and challenging, and they you always had to worry about the reds (murderers) that wanted your stuff. Then....
Complain Complain Complain Complain Complain
Trammel was born, no pvp, little risk. Now you needed a sword of vanqueshing and 1 mil gil to be very wealthy. Dragons, Blood eles and Succubus where the hard monsters as Orcs trolls ext where just too easy. But the game was still a challenge. Then...
Complain Complain Complain Complain Complain
Power Hour was created, no longer would it take a year to make a 7x GM character. You could do it in a month, you now needed several million to be considered wealthy. Then.....
Complain Complain Complain Complain Complain
The HELL that was publish 16, powerscrolls came out, now you can get skills up to 120. This made the previous Grandmasters crap. Now you have warriors that can solo deamons, and mages that can solo blood eles and Balrons. 8x8 skill training is created, you can now get 7x gm mage in 3 days (at start took almost a year.) Runic weapons are brought in because crafters are complaining about crap. All non runic weapons are now crap, mages get owned by warriors with runics. Then....
Complain Complain Complain Complain Complain
Well if pub. 16 was the flu, then Age of Shadows was the Plague. All items before are now complete crap, less then crap, you now have to have millions and millions to compete in pvp. Artifacts are now the elite items and even the old all powerfull runic weapons are complete crap. You can now see what all the complaining has brought UO. It destroyed a really good game.
So next time you see someone complaining that crafting needs to be easier, or fishing needs to be nerfed because someone is making more money then them, tell them to go play UO and get the hell out of our game. The challenge is the fun, when everything comes easy, why play?
Sooo, Play or Dont Play. If you complain and scream like a 5 year old child that wants a candy, then I hope someone ***** slaps you.
Side Note: I in no way support gilsellers or RMT, they are a disease that finds its way into every online game. And FFXI dev team needs to be given a thank you for at least trying to hit the issue head on, while other games do nothing.
At the start:
If you had 20k gold and a sword of Power you where wealthy beyond messure. Orcs, trolls and deamons where gods and groups of people where needed to kill them. Game was very fun and challenging, and they you always had to worry about the reds (murderers) that wanted your stuff. Then....
Complain Complain Complain Complain Complain
Trammel was born, no pvp, little risk. Now you needed a sword of vanqueshing and 1 mil gil to be very wealthy. Dragons, Blood eles and Succubus where the hard monsters as Orcs trolls ext where just too easy. But the game was still a challenge. Then...
Complain Complain Complain Complain Complain
Power Hour was created, no longer would it take a year to make a 7x GM character. You could do it in a month, you now needed several million to be considered wealthy. Then.....
Complain Complain Complain Complain Complain
The HELL that was publish 16, powerscrolls came out, now you can get skills up to 120. This made the previous Grandmasters crap. Now you have warriors that can solo deamons, and mages that can solo blood eles and Balrons. 8x8 skill training is created, you can now get 7x gm mage in 3 days (at start took almost a year.) Runic weapons are brought in because crafters are complaining about crap. All non runic weapons are now crap, mages get owned by warriors with runics. Then....
Complain Complain Complain Complain Complain
Well if pub. 16 was the flu, then Age of Shadows was the Plague. All items before are now complete crap, less then crap, you now have to have millions and millions to compete in pvp. Artifacts are now the elite items and even the old all powerfull runic weapons are complete crap. You can now see what all the complaining has brought UO. It destroyed a really good game.
So next time you see someone complaining that crafting needs to be easier, or fishing needs to be nerfed because someone is making more money then them, tell them to go play UO and get the hell out of our game. The challenge is the fun, when everything comes easy, why play?
Sooo, Play or Dont Play. If you complain and scream like a 5 year old child that wants a candy, then I hope someone ***** slaps you.
Side Note: I in no way support gilsellers or RMT, they are a disease that finds its way into every online game. And FFXI dev team needs to be given a thank you for at least trying to hit the issue head on, while other games do nothing.
Scholar
43 posts
Saying all americans complain and whine is like saying all white ppl live in trailers and all black ppl do drugs guess what
You assume far to much. whineing/complaing has nothing to do with where your born think about it for awhile...
Stop blindly supporting something and think for youselves your not a robot (if you are thats cool i wanna be a robot too.)
You assume far to much. whineing/complaing has nothing to do with where your born think about it for awhile...
Stop blindly supporting something and think for youselves your not a robot (if you are thats cool i wanna be a robot too.)
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Twangz wrote:
Please think twice before saying something that inconsiderate as it doesn't do anything constructive. they DID after all invent the TV AND Computer/video games, and here we are dissing them and overrunning their game (Just think of all the racism that goes towards the spanish and german/english/french players from NA's and you'll realize what hypocrites some people can be)
Actually, an American farmer invented the process for television, and the video game was born at an American university. The Japanese are great at improving on design and mass production, but they didn't invent those.
I really don't won't to get involved in another NA vs JP thread. I've seen too many of those. Every country/culture is going to have a certain % of the population who are a**es. Luckily, I've found the greater percentage to be kinder and more friendly.
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Jobs: Most, but not all, yet
Worlds: Bismarck, Seraph - Gone but not forgotten.
Jobs: Most, but not all, yet
Worlds: Bismarck, Seraph - Gone but not forgotten.
HAHA yea we do complain a lot. But that *** dude shouldnt be yelling at you specifically that is pretty random o yea i foudn this statistic its like 84% of gisellers chinese 10% american
6% other hehe sorry thought id share
6% other hehe sorry thought id share
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^ You know you're gonna get flamed for saying ***?
Anyways, the person that said that (the topic of this thread) was obviously not the brightest Japanese player. I have a love/hate relationship with the Japanese. They bring us all these good games and anime (although a lot of it is crap too), but they can also be quite nationalist. They've been on that island by themselves for centuries with very little contact from the outside world aside from traders and explorers. It wasn't until after WWII that they started to open up more, but it's no surprise that there's still some elitism floating around. And I think a lot of younger JPs are ignorant (no, that doesn't mean stupid) to what really happened in WWII. Yet since there are memorials for Hiroshima and Nagasaki all around, they have to speculate about why the big bad Americans nuked their small little island. This can lead to some negative views on NA people, which are generalized, but have a lasting impression on Americans that then go and make generalizations about the Japanese.
Anyways, the person that said that (the topic of this thread) was obviously not the brightest Japanese player. I have a love/hate relationship with the Japanese. They bring us all these good games and anime (although a lot of it is crap too), but they can also be quite nationalist. They've been on that island by themselves for centuries with very little contact from the outside world aside from traders and explorers. It wasn't until after WWII that they started to open up more, but it's no surprise that there's still some elitism floating around. And I think a lot of younger JPs are ignorant (no, that doesn't mean stupid) to what really happened in WWII. Yet since there are memorials for Hiroshima and Nagasaki all around, they have to speculate about why the big bad Americans nuked their small little island. This can lead to some negative views on NA people, which are generalized, but have a lasting impression on Americans that then go and make generalizations about the Japanese.
Haha, that was brilliant, whoever made fun of that Japanese guy. Just because a troll speaks a different language and learns ours doesn't mean we should listen to them.
Anyway, we never asked for huge taxes. That wasn't even CLOSE to anything we suggested to fix the monopolization problem. What happened to forced-spawn NMs and revamping of claiming rules? SE has a real knack for trying to fix something by ******* it up worse. Put me on the programming board and you'll have what you want in a week.
And in addition to that, I'll kick the JPs onto their own servers. Vote for Rip. -.-
Anyway, we never asked for huge taxes. That wasn't even CLOSE to anything we suggested to fix the monopolization problem. What happened to forced-spawn NMs and revamping of claiming rules? SE has a real knack for trying to fix something by ******* it up worse. Put me on the programming board and you'll have what you want in a week.
And in addition to that, I'll kick the JPs onto their own servers. Vote for Rip. -.-
Tsk, hypocricy, thy name is Japan
(disclaimer: This is aimed purely at that japanese player and any others like him. If you're japanese and you don't chare his bullheaded thoughts, then just assume I'm not talking about you. ^^)
(disclaimer: This is aimed purely at that japanese player and any others like him. If you're japanese and you don't chare his bullheaded thoughts, then just assume I'm not talking about you. ^^)
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I phoned dial-a-prayer. They told me to go to hell.
Hope, courage and pink pigtails. The stuff of legends!
I phoned dial-a-prayer. They told me to go to hell.
9 posts
Bcider wrote:
Americans don't realize that while we think we are improving the lives of other people, we are just pissing them off even more.
Oh boy, was that an anti-war statement? What relevance does that have to do with this thread anyways? I'm not going to Japan and demanding they cater to my every wish. SE chose to release this game in North America, as I chose to buy it. However, considering I'm still paying for the game, if there's something I don't like, it's my right to ask that they fix it. And if they don't fix it or they do something to the game that I dislike, then I leave and they lose a paying customer. That simple.
He has 4 posts. I think his story is BS.
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Linkshell: Livejournal & Hikage
WHM: 40 BLM: 33 RNG: 35
WHM AF1: Complete
To the original poster:
In spite of the fact that many people belive, and in some cases with good reason, that Japanese players and Japanese parties are more skillfull than American ones, and therefore seem to hold Japanese players in some sort of higher esteem than american players, you must remember one very important thing:
For every good Japanese player, there are surely several bad ones just like you see here.
Think about all the cretins, jackasses, bigots and asshats you've met in game or seen post here, who spew their folly and hate in native english.
Don't you suppose that those kinds of people are found in every country, every culture, in every language?
You met a jackass, who just happened to be japanese instead of american. It's not the culture one belongs to that matters, its the individual attitude.
Not every japanese player is going to be a nice, kind, understanding, forgiving, generous, spectacular player.
The worst of them will be just like the worst of us. The best of them will be just like the best of us.
If someone else has already made this point, I apologize. I didn't feel inclined to read the entire thread; I simply had a reply to the original poster.
In spite of the fact that many people belive, and in some cases with good reason, that Japanese players and Japanese parties are more skillfull than American ones, and therefore seem to hold Japanese players in some sort of higher esteem than american players, you must remember one very important thing:
For every good Japanese player, there are surely several bad ones just like you see here.
Think about all the cretins, jackasses, bigots and asshats you've met in game or seen post here, who spew their folly and hate in native english.
Don't you suppose that those kinds of people are found in every country, every culture, in every language?
You met a jackass, who just happened to be japanese instead of american. It's not the culture one belongs to that matters, its the individual attitude.
Not every japanese player is going to be a nice, kind, understanding, forgiving, generous, spectacular player.
The worst of them will be just like the worst of us. The best of them will be just like the best of us.
If someone else has already made this point, I apologize. I didn't feel inclined to read the entire thread; I simply had a reply to the original poster.
Shoulda told him:
"Musta been nice not having to compete with the rest of the world getting those drops for a year."
That's what I woulda said... to him.
Here's what I have to say to ya'll though. Quit trying to be the babies sucking on SEs teet. There, now, I said it I feel better. Wish I could rate myself down and save ya'll the trouble.
"Musta been nice not having to compete with the rest of the world getting those drops for a year."
That's what I woulda said... to him.
Here's what I have to say to ya'll though. Quit trying to be the babies sucking on SEs teet. There, now, I said it I feel better. Wish I could rate myself down and save ya'll the trouble.
Blah
nothing new. Everyone wants to blame everyone different than them.
Americans blame the japanese for the high prices, japanese blame the americans. Americans blame the japanese for secretly somehow controling all the AH prices just to keep them down, JP blame americans for making changes they don't like.
It's nothing new. they're always out to get you, yeah yeah I've heard it a million times. it's THEIR fault.
Americans blame the japanese for the high prices, japanese blame the americans. Americans blame the japanese for secretly somehow controling all the AH prices just to keep them down, JP blame americans for making changes they don't like.
It's nothing new. they're always out to get you, yeah yeah I've heard it a million times. it's THEIR fault.
Die! Die die die. die die die die, die die. - Scarlet Briar
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i just wanna say that by SE listening to a bunch of whiny ***** noobs that want cheaper crap and an "easier game" where everything is perfect and nobody sells gill, or bots; the game will be changed for the worse and will be ruined. ive never had a problem doing anything in this game whether it be makin money or farming or camping NMs, and im a RNG dammit, the most expensive job in the game. u just gotta know your game well and everything becomes possible. i take advantage of the fact that theres allways a reliable gilseller/teleporter in jeuno. u learn to live with these things.
YES im NA and i am complaining, i know, but im complaining about the right thing!!!!....
....BE YOUR GAMES MASTER NOT ITS SLAVE....
YES im NA and i am complaining, i know, but im complaining about the right thing!!!!....
....BE YOUR GAMES MASTER NOT ITS SLAVE....
Gaijin is a perjorative term. 'Nuff said. So are amny other words. If someone use s aperjorative term with you....
/add blist "Perjorative term user you're tired of listening too"
Edited, Fri Dec 10 22:57:30 2004 by Teuglade
/add blist "Perjorative term user you're tired of listening too"
Edited, Fri Dec 10 22:57:30 2004 by Teuglade
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Drg 22 War 21, Thf 17, Nin 18, Mnk 14,
Brd 11 Rdm, Drk 10
White Mage 68, Black Mage 40, Summoner 33,
Drg 22 War 21, Thf 17, Nin 18, Mnk 14,
Brd 11 Rdm, Drk 10
The update was yesterday. Do you expect prices to drop that quickly? Apparently so, but its not going to be instantaneous. Be patient and good things will come. Yeah SE nerfs some things. But for every screwup they make, they fix a lot of other things. Be grateful.
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Why are you being so mean?
I am part of a military family, and I have always heard from other people that the people in Japan are very nice people. Why do so many of the Japanese players generalize NA players just because of the country they live in or the language they speak? I don't do any of the things that the Japanese players complain about. It makes me upset that I am considered a bad player or a whiner by people who don't even know me. You don't see me going around saying all Japanese players are too thickheaded to see through stereotypes. I know that isn't true. Please stop thinking all "foreiners" are "idiots". You don't need to apoligize for us.
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I came to read this all ticked off about GMs treating NAs like crap and letting JPs get away with all kinds of BS. And the jps knowing it and egging NAs to call GMs. but then my male nature took over. The guy thats 1/2 jp 1/4 irish 1/4 scott.... do you have a sister?
What do I get out of this game? ... i dunno :P
They stuck us correctly with the definition of complain, but not the connotation.
Yes there are many complaints, but in the end it improves the game. JP seem to be better at focusing on teh current system and trying to improve themselves, while NA tend to trying to improve the situation. They are inner, we are outer, they think inside the box, we think outside.
The game didn't use to be good before NA came along, it jsut used to be new. The difference is there wee a lot less people camping nms, a lot less people requiring these items, a lot less gil so that people could actually do quests for cash and not need to farm or craft for it. The inflation factor is estimated at around 10. meaning back then 1k was the approx of 10k now, and 10k then the approx of 100k now.
Yes there are many complaints, but in the end it improves the game. JP seem to be better at focusing on teh current system and trying to improve themselves, while NA tend to trying to improve the situation. They are inner, we are outer, they think inside the box, we think outside.
The game didn't use to be good before NA came along, it jsut used to be new. The difference is there wee a lot less people camping nms, a lot less people requiring these items, a lot less gil so that people could actually do quests for cash and not need to farm or craft for it. The inflation factor is estimated at around 10. meaning back then 1k was the approx of 10k now, and 10k then the approx of 100k now.
semajuma
He has 4 posts. I think his story is BS.
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make that 5 PENDEJO
just becuase i dont have over 500 post like you it means what i said is BS?
1st of all I wanst making a big deal about what happened... it was you guys who changed it into who created TV , video games even War related comments
Just let this tread die i see there is no hope for everyone to EVER get along
He has 4 posts. I think his story is BS.
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make that 5 PENDEJO
just becuase i dont have over 500 post like you it means what i said is BS?
1st of all I wanst making a big deal about what happened... it was you guys who changed it into who created TV , video games even War related comments
Just let this tread die i see there is no hope for everyone to EVER get along
to be honest, this game is starting to make me sick. I get disgusted hearing about complaints all the time.
First they complain that the prices are too low. And they blamed the gil sellers for that.
Then the prices rais by a lot, and they complain about gil sellers again.
Then they complain that JP players are richer, well, they had this game for a year longer, so offcourse most are them are more skilled and have more gil
So then you complain about htem having the game for a year longer, well, THEY created this game. Not SquareEnix in America.
So then you complain about botters etc. And to be honest, without them our economy would be ruined. So you want a way to get rid of gil sellers and botters etc. So they make you haev to zone while fishing, and you complain again
Then you complain about fish botters again, and they lower the price fish cost selling to NPCs, and you complain again
So fishers complain about fishing in Rabao, and how they can make so much gil from fishing caps, so they lower the price of padded caps, and fishermen complain again.
Then you complain about gil sellers again, and they implement the AH tax. And everyone complain about that
Everyone have also been complaining about how some people(or groups of people) monopolize NMs, so they change the spawn time, and increase the area the NM spawns on. And they also lower the drop rate of items, and everyone complain.
Seriously. Everyone who complained got EVERYTHING they wanted, and then they complain about that change too.
And now people say they want the game to be like it was before. This is just insane
Everyone can't be happy, and if you please one person, someone else will get mad about the change. there is no such thing as "inbetween" with 1 million players. there will *ALWAYS* be a group of people complaining.
Personally, I like changes. I don't complain about them. I adapt to them and make the best out of the situation. I'm just happy that SquareEnix is actualyl willing to improve the gaem and add new things, instead of letting it die.
and yes, I know this is a complaint. And honestly, this is the first complaint I've ever made about this game. And it's not one againts the company, it's a complaint againts the players.
First they complain that the prices are too low. And they blamed the gil sellers for that.
Then the prices rais by a lot, and they complain about gil sellers again.
Then they complain that JP players are richer, well, they had this game for a year longer, so offcourse most are them are more skilled and have more gil
So then you complain about htem having the game for a year longer, well, THEY created this game. Not SquareEnix in America.
So then you complain about botters etc. And to be honest, without them our economy would be ruined. So you want a way to get rid of gil sellers and botters etc. So they make you haev to zone while fishing, and you complain again
Then you complain about fish botters again, and they lower the price fish cost selling to NPCs, and you complain again
So fishers complain about fishing in Rabao, and how they can make so much gil from fishing caps, so they lower the price of padded caps, and fishermen complain again.
Then you complain about gil sellers again, and they implement the AH tax. And everyone complain about that
Everyone have also been complaining about how some people(or groups of people) monopolize NMs, so they change the spawn time, and increase the area the NM spawns on. And they also lower the drop rate of items, and everyone complain.
Seriously. Everyone who complained got EVERYTHING they wanted, and then they complain about that change too.
And now people say they want the game to be like it was before. This is just insane
Everyone can't be happy, and if you please one person, someone else will get mad about the change. there is no such thing as "inbetween" with 1 million players. there will *ALWAYS* be a group of people complaining.
Personally, I like changes. I don't complain about them. I adapt to them and make the best out of the situation. I'm just happy that SquareEnix is actualyl willing to improve the gaem and add new things, instead of letting it die.
and yes, I know this is a complaint. And honestly, this is the first complaint I've ever made about this game. And it's not one againts the company, it's a complaint againts the players.
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