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i think the ones that are affected the most are english speaking asian players and australian players, and everyone that plays in Japanese peak time... and I am one of them T_T

We can't play on NA peak time and we are rarely invited on Japanese peak time. Well, we didn't complain, we just play the game and pray if there is any good soul out there will invite us T_T.

This problem between NA and JPN has been happening too long, /sigh.

note: no point here, just a rant.. (or complain? ^^; )

Judging by that video Meyiau-something posted there are plenty-o'-n00b haters. ;p

Personally, the only real complaint I have is, in a way, outside of the game itself--is people who generalize about other players and the company that made this great game. Here are a few of the more common (and ridiculous) ones:

GENERALIZATION #1:
JP players are elitists who hate NA players.

GENERALIZATION #2:
NA players are botters and Gil buyers.

GENERALIZATION #3:
Chinese players are gil-sellers.

GENERALIZATION #4:
NA players do nothing but complain about everything.

GENERALIZATION #5:
If you're not Rank 5, you suck as a player.

GENERALIZATION #6:
If you are <level 15 or don't have a subjob, you are a nOOb, and you are clueless and stupid.

GENERALIZATION #7:
SE doesn't give a crap about anything except profits.

See how that works? In all seven of these examples, there are SOME case in which it applies to but most cases or players it DOESN'T apply:

#1: I have been in great, friendly all JP parties who have welcomed me and have been very gracious and fun to party with. I have also partied with NA parties that are exactly the same.

#2: I know some players who buy gil and bot, but the VAST majority of people I know don't do either. I'm talking 98% here.

#3: I know some Chinese players that, like most of the rest of us, play the game for fun.

#4: There are a lot of players, NA or otherwise, who see the glass as being half full.

#5: I have played with everyone from Rank 1 to rank 10 and for the most part, the higher the rank, the better the player. However, I have also PTYed with rank 2s that are great as players and some have actually been better players than rank 5+s.

#6: There are nOObs and there are Newbs and most of us more experienced players can tell the difference in about 10 seconds. We were all once new to the game, and a blanket condemnation of ALL new players is B.S.

#7: If SE didn't really give a crap, would they go to all this time and no doubt expense to upgrade and improve the game and attempt to address some very difficult issues? Would they have GMs to try and sort out the disputes and problems? Would they even bother with game support at all?

SE could very easily just have created the game and left it at that, flaws and all, with nothing changed, and improvements or upgrades.

Bottom line is: for every rule there is an exception. And wasting time and energy complaining up and down about FFXI in this manner is counter-productive, whether you're NA, EU or JP. Just PLAY THE GAME, people. I'm HAVING FUN, how about you?


My $.02 gil for today. Sorry it was a little long-winded. Have a nice weekend everyone.


--Chef

Edited, Fri Dec 10 09:15:29 2004 by darkladuke

"Mommy, mommy! I want the new action figure."

"But I just got you one yesterday."

"I WANT NEW ACTION FIGURE!"

"But... well, wait till tomorrow... ok?"

"I WANT NEW ACTION FIGURE!"

"Tomorrow. I promise."

"I WANT NEW ACTION FIGURE!"

"Ok, ok. Please, just stop screaming."



"There, you got your action figure, happy?"

"NO! THIS ACTION FIGURE HAS NO KUNG-FU GRIP!"

"What are you talking about?"

"I WANT ONE WITH KUNG-FU GRIP!"

"..."

"KUNG-FU GRIP!"

"Excuse me sir, do you have any of this particular action figure with a.... Kung-Fu grip?"

-Sorry Ma'am, we're currently out of stock-

"I WANT KUNG-FUUUUUU!"

"How about we get this figure now, and we come back tomorrow, and get the one with the Kung-Fu Grip ok?"

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I, WANT, KUNG, FU, GRIP, NOW!"






Sound familiar?

Actually, we have very little to complain about with the current update. SE is doing exactly what the government would do in the current situation. Too much gil in circulation due to excessive fishing putting the gil in. Most importantly the Padded Caps and lvl 100 fishers pulling in bream, etc.

With too much gil in circulation, inflation occurs. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Then the poor start buying gil from the rich just to buy items from the rich so the rich get their gil back. And inflation is still occuring due to too much gil in the economy.

Most of the changes in the update were to combat inflation. They have very little to do with gil-selling and botting. The tax is like raising the interest rate. When the interest rate goes up in our country by .25%, they are trying to slow down the economy. Trying to keep it from spining out of control. That is what SE is doing. Taking currency out of circulation. The economy will fix itself in time once they remove that problem.

isn't that when they 'fixed' the mob spawning thing? Where they would make a mob unclaimable for 2 seconds? However, the fix had a bug, where the mob that spawned would be 'claimed' by the last person that killed it for 2 seconds. That bug didn't last more than 2 days.

CitanulTheGray could you please edit your post so the width of the thread isn't screwed up ><

Now comes to think of it...I think it is not that American complains too much. It has to do with patient. After living in the US for 9 yrs, I noticed American in general are not very patient. They want things happen NOW and with little effort. Complainning happens to be a very effective way to change thing rather fast and you don't really have to do much.

If it's such a POS and a waste, why are you wasting even more of your time coming here and posting about it?

As for me, I was happy before, and I'm still happy now. Too many people take this game too seriously, like it is a job or something. If it ever gets that way for me, it's time to take a step back and rethink things. I pay 15 bucks a month to have fun and enjoy a game, not 15 bucks a month to be frustrated. So far, the update looks good. This tax thing, c'mon it really isn't affecting you negatively usless you are one of those people selling tons of 500k+ items constantly, and in that case you probably aren't playing the game, but doing it to make RL money.

Edited, Fri Dec 10 11:11:12 2004 by jmakovec

Guess what?

JP players are not all mature adults. There are JP noobs as well. They complain. They whine. They blame the "deterioration" of the game on someone else.

Sound familiar?

If funny everyone is like OMSTFU u racist n00b! Then they go on to explain how Japanese don't complain, and we do. Guess what? That is a generalized statement directed at a certain race as well. Is their culture more restrained than ours? Yes, I will give you that. But equating fewer kids complaining about a video game to percentage of reported rapes in a country is stretching it. The message board/MMORPG community has a culture of its own, and apparently a core value of that community is complaining. Things don't always go people's way, and they often blame others for it, especially younger people.

Look at these boards. We complain that things sell for such inflated prices because of gil-sellers, but when Lizzy drops those boots, we turn around and sell them for 700k. And we are not partially to blame?

Similarly, with their head-start in the game and high-level jobs/crafting skills, many JP players have been able to greatly influence the game economy to the detriment of lower-level NA players. But now that the economy is all screwed up, they want to blame gil-sellers and NA's (= gil-buyers). Are they wholly innocent?

It is human nature to see certain groups and cultures as "other," and to sometimes blame those "others" when things go bad. Have NA gil-buyers messed up the game? Sure. But have no JP players ever bought gil? I bet some have.

In the past couple of days, these boards have been filled about the ranting and raving over how much the update sucks. Do you really think the JP don't do the same thing? They simply add NA to the b*tch list as well. It's nothing personal, just how human nature works.

if thats the way u feel, by all means quit FFXI and pray ur atari still works. as far as im concerned, NES was the birth of gaming

A while back, someone made a post on this board made a lot of sense to me... I dont recall the title, and cant find it, so I cannot give proper credit here. Anyhow...

To summarize, it basically suggested that putting brand new NA players (at NA release) on the existing servers with an already firmly established (and in many cases gil-wealthy) population of tenured JP players was a poor choice on SE's part.

The post went on to theorize that the first NA players, rather than benefiting from the experience of the existing population, was thrust into competition with them because they had more experience, better gear, used better food, etc. As we all know, its much easier to finance and excel at a lowbie job when you can subsidize it with a much higher level job (esp one at or near the level cap).

Blah blah blah... From the very beginning, this was a very different game for NA players than it had been for JP. There was an extremely sharpe learning curve... and the new population was met unrealistic expectations. In order to stay ahead of that learning curve, or meet those expectations, the new NA's needed gil... only they didnt have the benefit of a lv 50+ job to hunt big-money drops with.

Who wouldnt complain? Who wouldnt consider ways to get a leg up (cheat)?

I dont know how accurate that is, since I came in well after the PS2 release. But it sure as heck makes sense to me. I tend to agree with the contention that there may be a bit too much griping going on. But honestly, I cant blame those who are being vocal about their issues with SE and the Game. Its far from a perfect situation.

Anyhow... that's my 2 cents.