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#1077 Sep 30 2004 at 3:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Well nothing yet from OO /sigh
#1078 Sep 30 2004 at 4:25 AM Rating: Decent
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The problem is that the DNS server of Optimum Online blocked ffxi. How and why??...I have no clue
Like I said many pages back, it's probably because most of the OO network didn't pick up the DNS changes and are still reflecting the old addresses. In extreme cases (like when you create a new domain name -- .com, .net, .org, etc. -- or change servers for a website) DNS propagation takes upwards of 72 hours. Usually it's a matter of minutes.

Aqua: Do you realise how many people have already sniffed their network traffic to see if anything is going to port 25? A whole bunch. Do you know how many of their logs are showing traffic on port 25? None. Nil. Zip. Nada. Your explanation = bullcrap.

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Edited, Thu Sep 30 06:10:08 2004 by TheFunch
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#1079 Sep 30 2004 at 4:49 AM Rating: Good
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If it is DNS that is the problem do this:

PC users:
Go into the control panel and go to your network settings -> select the connection you are using to connect to the internet (since you are all cable modem users this is probably Local Area COnnection) Hightlight TCP/IP and select properties -> Select use the following DNS servers" and type this in:
68.15.165.12 for Primary
199.166.31.3 for Secondary

These are two OPEN DNS servers I found on the internet. They aren't the fastest responding servers (seem a 1 second or 2 off) but they are open for public DNS requests.

PS2 users:

Either go into your cable modem/router or if they have DNS settings in the FFXI game (I dont have the ps2 ver) set it to manually assigned or specify DNS and use the two servers above.

Edit: _IF_ DNS is the issue this should fix it. I dont have enough info to troubleshoot this issue since I don't use the OO service.

Edited, Thu Sep 30 05:50:55 2004 by OgmiosII
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#1080 Sep 30 2004 at 4:57 AM Rating: Decent
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just woke up.........cant sleep


trying this now..............



bah, still no good

thanks for trying though
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#1081 Sep 30 2004 at 5:02 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't think it was the problem because the HTTP Tunnel seems to work for some people. That sounds like a blocked port issue. And like we have said it isn't port 25.
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#1082 Sep 30 2004 at 5:34 AM Rating: Good
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If someone else wants to do network sniffing and see where they're stopping, here's the POL usage I found with Ethereal:

TCP 34707 to 51240
TCP 443 (https) to 4072
TCP 51220 to 4068
TCP 51220 to 4067
TCP 51220 to 4065
TCP 51220 to 4064
TCP 51220 to 4063
TCP 51240 to 34707
TCP 51304 to 4071
UDP 1036 to 53 (dns query, pt008.pol.com)
TCP 4060 to 54000
UDP 1036 to 53 (dns query, ci000.pol.com)
TCP 36022 to 51240
TCP 4060 to 54000
TCP 34707 to 51240
TCP 36022 to 51240
UDP 1036 to 53 (dns query, pp000.pol.com)
TCP 4061 to 51220
UDP 1036 to 53 (dns query, ma000.pol.com)
UDP 1036 to 53 (dns query, pp000.pol.com)
TCP 4062 to 51260
UDP 1036 to 53 (dns query, po000.pol.com)
TCP 4062 to 51220
TCP 4063 to 51220
TCP 4064 to 51220
TCP 4065 to 51220
UDP 1036 to 53 (dns query, wh000.pol.com)

There's a few more ports, but I think you get the idea.

(Edit) This was all captured data from the time I started the POL Viewer to about thirty seconds after I got the main menu.

Edited, Thu Sep 30 06:36:19 2004 by TheFunch
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#1083 Sep 30 2004 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
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This is in regard to some of the previous posts. I still say there were problems with OOL's connection with POL before this outtage. The connection is typically slow, and often laggy.

Some comments on the differences between DSL and cable have been wrong, between pages 20-22. DSL has lower ping, and lower throughput. Cable has higher ping and higher throughput (depending on cap). DSL is not an option for some. Dial up is not an option for some.

The issue is not with DNS, I just checked. Furthermore, DNS problems would have prevented pings and tracerts to be carried out to the various JP servers affiliated with POL and FFXI in the first place.

As for the various news postings about this problem. LOL. 400 ppl O_O. That's a potential 20k a month that OOL will be out, which translates to 240k a year LOL

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Edited, Thu Sep 30 06:38:00 2004 by Mday
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#1084 Sep 30 2004 at 5:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Mday wrote:
The issue is not with DNS, I just checked. Furthermore, DNS problems would have prevented pings and tracerts to be carried out to the various JP servers affiliated with POL and FFXI in the first place.

Did you ping and tracert those servers (**000.pol.com) that my connection hit (a working Comcast connection) while I monitored my network traffic?
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#1085 Sep 30 2004 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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1. Still can't get on FFXI no surprise there

2. I will deffinatly be buying one of those T-Shirts.

oh well maybe it will be fixed around 11:30... off to class...
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#1086 Sep 30 2004 at 5:55 AM Rating: Decent
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TheFunch wrote:
Mday wrote:
The issue is not with DNS, I just checked. Furthermore, DNS problems would have prevented pings and tracerts to be carried out to the various JP servers affiliated with POL and FFXI in the first place.

Did you ping and tracert those servers (**000.pol.com) that my connection hit (a working Comcast connection) while I monitored my network traffic?

I pinged all the servers I saw being logged with various programs I had running.
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#1087 Sep 30 2004 at 6:04 AM Rating: Good
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If someone else wants to do network sniffing and see where they're stopping, here's the POL usage I found with Ethereal:


Mod up for using Ethereal!


What is weird thing is the port 443. The connection is leaving 443 and hitting 4072. What is weird is under normal circumstances if I want to connect to a secure website my TCP/IP stack is going to generate a random high number and then connect to port 443 on the webserver.

So you would see 53233 -> 443. Now please don't take this and run with it, but what if OO is blocking 443 now to prevent people from running webservers on their network. Since the connection is leaving port 443 on the user side it may look like a response to a SSL connection request and OO's firewalls or access lists stops it. HTTP tunnel works because all trafic is pushed through port 80. But it wouldn't originate from port 80 but be destined for port 80 on the proxy.

Edit: to be more clear:

For normal internet users port 443 connections would be comming from the outside (the webserver) leaving port 443 and hitting some other port on the users machine after the connection is made.

In this case the 443 connection appears to originating from the users machine and going out. Thus, it would look like a web server IF OO started blocking such things. Just an observation is all.

Edited, Thu Sep 30 07:28:04 2004 by OgmiosII

Edited, Thu Sep 30 07:50:47 2004 by OgmiosII
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#1088 Sep 30 2004 at 6:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Entering day three with no ffxi.
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#1089 Sep 30 2004 at 6:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Lets go for 1500!!!
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#1090 Sep 30 2004 at 6:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Priran wrote:
Lets go for 1500!!!
Rally the troops!


I'd rather just be able to play, thanks.
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#1091 Sep 30 2004 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Mod up for using Ethereal!


What is weird thing is the port 443.  The connection is leaving 443 and hitting 4072. What is weird is under normal circumstances if I want to connect to a secure website my TCP/IP stack is going to generate a random high number and then connect to port 443 on the webserver.

So you would see 53233 -> 443. Now please don't take this and run with it, but what if OO is blocking 443 now to prevent people from running webservers on their network. Since the connection is leaving port 443 on the user side it may look like a response to a SSL connection request and OO's firewalls or access lists stops it. HTTP tunnel works because all trafic is pushed through port 80. But it wouldn't originate from port 80 but be destined for port 80 on the proxy.

Edit: to be more clear:

For normal internet users port 443 connections would be comming from the outside (the webserver) leaving port 443 and hitting some other port on the users machine after the connection is made.

In this case the 443 connection appears to originating from the users machine and going out. Thus, it would look like a web server IF OO started blocking such things. Just an observation is all.


You have probably postd the first bit of sense out of all of this.

Knowing OO, (and knowing how many people have made websites served off their computer) it wouldnt surprise me in the least that this is the case, and that more ports are being blocked than what they said... ports that FFXI DOES use and use often

I think I might take a look now at how I hook up using comcast, and if comcast doesnt block that port....if it doesnt then you might havr figure out the problem.
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#1092 Sep 30 2004 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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Anybody using OO want to setup a webserver that supports SSL so we can try to connect?
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#1093 Sep 30 2004 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Now entering Day 3...Will we all manage to keep our cool one more day? Will POL work today? It's all a mystery.

But anyway, are there any new updates that come with the new day? If so can someone please post em for us. ^^
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#1094 Sep 30 2004 at 7:30 AM Rating: Decent
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And the answer is!

NO! POS will not work again today.

And on top of that I woke up at 7 to find neither cable or the cable modem working. They're back now but still no Playonline access.

This is never getting fixed, how tough could it possibly be to reroute the signal for the hundreds of us.

Just ******* unbelievable.
#1095 Sep 30 2004 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey can someone tell someone on the inside through phone or email to find out whats going on please.

BTW put up site for t-shirt ill get one.
#1096 Sep 30 2004 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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Hey can someone tell someone on the inside through phone or email to find out whats going on please.

BTW put up site for t-shirt ill get one.


They won't tell you anyway. They wont tell anybody any real info because the people that are in the know don't talk to customers.

And he does have a site for the shirt. Click the link in his post.





Edited, Thu Sep 30 08:40:54 2004 by OgmiosII
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#1097 Sep 30 2004 at 7:47 AM Rating: Default
Hey Aquasilk,

Just wanted to say thank you for giving us the information. We appreciate it. Ignore some of the people's crude language here as we all are mad about it and some people just can't take it anymore. It wasn't fair for some people to have chucked all that rudeness on you but just try to understand that on our side we have just been going around in circles and we've been hearing the same rumours over and over again and getting absolutely nowhere. We appreciate the information that you are giving us and please let us know as much as possible if you can. Thanks a lot and take care! *cross fingers* Hope this gets resolved soon!
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#1098 Sep 30 2004 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I know a webserver that is run on OO using SSL the site is sukhanov.net my friends personal webserver so test it out... He said if u crash it Oh well so.. I say Lets Kill the ******* thing
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#1099 Sep 30 2004 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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I think I might take a look now at how I hook up using comcast, and if comcast doesnt block that port....if it doesnt then you might havr figure out the problem.


Please do. I am serious, if someone can setup a webserver the supports SSL it would be a great test. I am sure they are using SSL to protect passwords and other info. The SSL key might be hosted on the users machine. So instead of using one encryption key for everyone, each users machine generates a key when FFXI is installed and that one key protects that one user. If the key was compromised only that one user's information is compromised. So I would guess that FFXI ishosting an SSL service on your machine and using it to encrypt your account vitals when you login.
Thats what the little "key" is up in the corner of POL.
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#1100 Sep 30 2004 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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You can u just gotta know how to make your server sned out on a different port which my friend who runs the server is very good with .. He took down my schools network one year for **** and giggles so ... He knows hw to get around it
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#1101 Sep 30 2004 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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D:\Documents and Settings\>telnet sukhanov.net 443
Connecting To sukhanov.net...Could not open connection to the host, on port 443:
Connect failed

D:\Documents and Settings\>telnet sukhanov.net 80
Connecting To sukhanov.net...Could not open connection to the host, on port 80:
Connect failed

If that server is really up then I think we have answer.

Someone else from another ISP other than OO try to connect to sukhanov.net on port 443 and just to be sure 80 as well.

Gottin, Please confim with your frind that the server is up.

Edited, Thu Sep 30 08:56:49 2004 by OgmiosII
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