over nuking magesFollow

Have you ever heard of experience chains? Or this concept is unknown to modern players? ^^
If you use all you MP in one fight next fight will be on melee only - you will be sitting regenerating MP. WHM will be healing like crazy because fight takes too long. Whm will run out of MP by that time you will regenerate your MP but who cares? WHM is empty so chain is broken you are all sitting waiting for WHM. So...You nice and very short 1st battle resulted in 1)long downtime after the second 2) interrupted chain.

Skeeve BLM51/WHM27, Diabolos

It really depends on your level, and the ability of your tank, along with the common sense and stragegy the mages use. I also forgot to mention about melees that have abilities that draw mad aggro, yet they use it at the begginning of the fight.

Every job is guilty of messing up, its just worse when a mage does because we can't take hits at all.

Over-nuking is evil, but if you can only cast 1-3 nukes a fight, well your tank sucks.

For me its all on Party Dymanics, that is what effects my play style as Black Mage. You just have to know what your limit is, your party limit is, and your tanks limit is.

One example was last night in a party of WHM, BRD, Sami, Sami, Pld, BLM. I only needed to cast two nukes per fight, maybe three to finish her off. With two Sami's you get to Magic Burst Twice. I was MB'ing for 460-500 Damage, so I was easily doing near or at 1000 damage per fight. Thats good enough for me. Since that evil Sickle move is so deadly, most of the time I was helping heal to help the chains keep going.

In a ninja tank party, I'll usually cast spam low lvl nukes at a constant steady paste, MP Efficient, and lets me cast a quick cure when the Ninja looses his blink. And of course the MB.

In other parties, paladin, and 2 melees, its all about helping them get TP, and throwing out the skillchains and MB at the right time. You do this by using frost, and nuking at the right moments to speed things up, or not nuking so your melee's can get that last 10% TP for the next mob.

Basically all it takes is some common sense and team work. I just tend to get frustrated when people pick on the mages about this, I have seen many times where the mage had no choice but to grab aggro, because you have a Ranger using Birds eye or something in the beggining or mid fight, or a Dark putting on that Sacrifice HP for Damage early in fight, maybe a thf that is trick happy, and more concerned with damage than placing hate. Even those paladins that think just b/c they have a rdm or brd, means they don't have to rest for MP, because now they get to save TP. Maybe a bad puller that brings links every 5 fights. All these things can cause the back-lines to use there big spells to save the party. Its quite funny too, because if we do try to help, we get yelled at for over aggro, if we don't help, we are useless. Life of a mage.

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Marato, On level 50 THIS is not chain nucking. And THanks for clarification in you post. This is a consistent low level damage. On level 51 damage from Level 1 spell caped is comparable to melee damage and less then melee crytical. Try to chaincast level 2 spells and see where you end up :)) . Problem is that in a prelevel 2 period chaincasting level 1 nukes will bring the thing to you right away. Thus downtime, Overloaded WHM, luck of WHM MP for chaining so on and so forth

Skeeve BLM51/WHM27, Diabolos

As someone who pulls for a living (RNG/NIN), this is how I want to be healed if I need it. I groan when I see "WHM casts Cure II on Thoronmir" ... I'd so much prefer to get Regen. Now, I'm still somewhat new with Ninja subbed to Ranger ... with Utsusemi, I don't take many hits when pulling, so this is much less a problem than when I was RNG/WAR.

Necro bumps are horrid. >.>

Edited, Aug 15th 2008 7:48pm by Dracoth

lol, how've you been?

I knew this was a necro-post, when I read the term "Fudaima" and knew what it meant =.=

Does that make me old school?

Honestly, I see no need to rate down this post. He came in griping, but offered suggestions and tips instead of just ranting. While, for the most part, you are preaching to the choir here on Allakhazam, this may help some newbies who are having these problems. Of course, if you are in the Dunes, just scale this down to "..cast Cure I instead of Cure II at the start".

Old thread is OOOOLLLLDDDD!!!! and lol -enmity build for mages or gtfo

As far as pulling goes, when I pull I'll time my my range attack so I'm moveing a split second before the attack fires. If you time it right you can be ahead of the enemy most of the way back to camp. I almost never take any damge til I reach camp when I pull using this method.

No, because it doesn't always work for people on some platforms.

And this is why Stoneskin is your friend. :3

Anyway, as a White mage I've only ever had these problems in Ninja tank parties, while yes, they completely avoid all damage with the shadows, but, as soon as those shadows disappear, then things can happen.

Mostly it's down to the shadows running out and the monster using some TP move of death or it's down to a TP move which wipes shadows or whatever, but, generally I have to switch from the rare casting of a Cure III to a Cure IV, which rarely gets me hit, but, even so Stoneskin normally absorbs the damage then the tank provokes again.

If things go to the verge of death for whatever reason I use divine seal and Cure IV, which I know will bring me hate, but, I do it because doing so stops the monster attacking the Ninja tank, giving him time to recast shadows and provoke, I really don't mind getting hit a few times if it means the whole party survives, if I have to die for that to happen, I really don't mind either.

However, there are some parties out there where you can cast Curage II after everyone takes a bad AoE hit and you won't get hate, I mean, sure they're rare, but, there are some.

I guess I sort of work on the idea that "If the dying person isn't taking the hits then they won't die". If you have to cast Cure III and get the hate just to make sure that the puller stays alive, then you should, it's your job as a healer to keep people alive, however that doesn't mean it's your fault for the situation, if they're that close to death and in range for a curing, then the tanker should have provoked already and you can do as stated in the opening post. However, it completely depends on the situation. There is no "YOU MUST ALWAYS DO THIS IN A PARTY" when it comes to healing. Well, aside from keeping people alive...