over nuking magesFollow

ok this is one of my single most gripes with whm and blm.

There is no reason to cast cure 3 and above on the puller before the tank can control hate!!!!

i've seen this so many times its ridiculous. if the puller is coming back with that low hp there are other courses of action besides letting your highest lvl cure spell rip, and causing a 3-5 minute ping pong battle between mages and tank.

whm:

1st) talk to your puller give him some friendly tips on how to pull better. tell him/her to pull from further away. recomend the use of a ranged weapon instead of provoke. there are many techniques so that a puller will come back with far more than 1/2 health.

2nd) when the puller comes back cast regen on him let the tank provoke and start doing your duties on the tank. then when you get a free moment cast a mid lvl cure spell on the puller then regen him/her again when possible. repeat this process untill the fight is over if the puller isnt at full health by this time now is the time to max him/her out.

3rd) if you are setting up for fuidama casting your highest lvl cure spell will only ruin the set up. instead cast midlvl cure spells then regen. and hope that the tank and thf are fast enough to pull it off. if they are not you dont need to be doing this technique.

blm:

1st) if your puller is coming back with low health refer to "1st" as stated above in the whm section.

2nd) if you are subbing whm then corrdinate with the whm so you are both casting a few mid-low lvl cure spells on the puller as he comes into range. this will aleviate the need for the whm to start spamming high lvl cures.

3rd) if you are setting up for fuidama coordinate with the whm as stated above to keep the puller alive for the set up.

4th) i cant stress this enough. do not nuke at all untill the tank has provoked 2 times! this is the single most important thing to remember at the begining of a fight.

5th) no chain nuking.


with these simple tips you can not only conserve mp but run an effective XP party with little to no ping ponging. thanks for listening.

hmm sounds pretty much what i already do as blm.


Pull brings mob tank provkes i cast blind,bio,paralyze then sit and wait for second provoke. Once SA And/or 2nd provoke comes then it's nuking time :)

no chain nukes though i pick 1 spell cast wait for it to be available again count to 5 cast again etc.

Yeah you really can't blame the WHM for a pullers problem. Almost all pullers either pull with a spell or ranged attack.
The only thing you can do is hope the tank does his job and vokes off the pull and then try to get that guy healed up.

Chain nuking as blm is never smart regardless.

Why run yourself out of MP each fight. Your job is to nuke yes but not to nuke till you dont have any MP.

I"m Taru/blm yes i pull aggro once a fight and you know when that is? ONLY when i magic burst. My spells are rarely resisted so i'm always doing max damage. when a BLM pulls aggro all the time it cause the meele to have to run back and forth chasing the mob around and severly brings down the amount of damage they are able to do.

bah... its a matter of hate and hate distribution. As a whm, the first thing I usually cast on my puller is regen. Hopefully the tank will then take over and everything works itself out. HOWEVER, there's been times where a puller's come back in the red already... and I'm sorry, but I'm not going to sit around and wait for the mob to finish off the puller while the tank gets his/her provoke ready.. I'm gunna cast cure III and then regen. I'll drain my HP back from the mob and go about my healing.

As a blm, I'll be the first to admit I'm still learning my timing... but what I usually do now is a couple elemental enfeebles, a paralyze, poison and dia (or bio) and rest for 25 MP (two tics). After that I'll get up and do a couple nukes and rest for another tic or two. Rinse and repeat. This way I'm not getting too much hate, and I'm rebuilding MP to decrease down time. Downfall to this is the rest of the party is getting hit more and therefore the whm's MP is being used more.

Truthfully, it comes down to the party as a whole... you could have a party with a taru whm and hume blm... so you can nuke occasionally and the whm has plenty of MP. However, what if its a Mithra or Elvaan WHM and a taru blm? Obviously you'll want the blm to nuke more to even out the MP indifferences. Therefore each party has a different requirement for rate of nukes... its a matter of people learning them that I believe you have a problem with.

Very true nice point.

I say to the original poster, "Yeah that's the way it should go." Unfortunately some people don't get it. I'm a level 32BLM/7WHM/SMN, so I've been in Kazam leveling. Kazam has the best environment for casters I think cause of all the bends, pits, and hills. So the pullers I've been getting have been great for the most part, but 3 out of 4 of them would always pull way to close. One puller last night pulled a beasty right in front of me while I was resting. I think pullers don't know the range of their casters. If you're pulling you want to be as far as you can from your casters. It helps prevent the whole party from going down from enfeebles or party attacks like bomb toss. Even though I know that non-noobs know how to provoke, some think it's only when the monster is killing off the whm. Swear to god a person told me "I don't feel like provoking." Wanted to kill em.

I cast my spells in a burst, only after I see provoke used and I am as far as I can be and still cure the furthest person away unless they are other mage. Then I enfeeble. Wait for the hate. I cast two mid-level damage attacks or one high level attack. Wait for the hate. Repeat till near death. Nuke Nuke Nuke. I rarely get stomped on or enfeebled using my method.

It's good if the fighters provoke, but if you just look at the life bar you can see how much they are eating into him versus how much of a chunk a nuke bites off.

I think that some people are just pressing buttons and using the highest level thing they have at the time cause they think it's the best.

I dont know why BLMs overnuke I mean its not rocket science.

A few debuffs/heals early then when the mob is down to about 2/3rds then you can use a nuke. Then depending on how much damage the mob is taking space your nukes out accordingly.

If you are unsure then play it safe, when the mob is at 1/4 or so then you can chain nuke 2-3 spells to finish it off.


As far as healing the puller well regen is usually enough. If they are taking too much damage then cast regen on them before they run off.

If they are constantly needing high level cures when they come back then leave the PT.

Just want to say you haven't lived til you've had a party get mad at you because you couldn't sleep a Wight. Even with ES and capped Enfeebling skill, chances are it's not gonna work. And lo and behold, I threw in my last ditch effort to sleep a Wight that aggro'd...

Hello Home Point!

Even though I may disagree and agree with you here and there. It is really nice to see a dragoon bring up this post ^^.

Here's what I do when I'm a whm: I cast Regen on the main tank, hopefully a PLD it helps a lot, and only cast cure 1 on him every once in a while b/c he can cure himself. I only cast Cure 3 if someone is REALLY clost to death. Regen, a very useful spell, USE IT!


As a blm: I cast about three enfeebles (Rasp, Choke, Shock, etc.) at the beggining of the battle. I cast weak spells repeatedly saving on mp ( Water and Aero.) And they do decent damage, 30-60 at times. Then when the monster gets closer to death I start casting Fire, Blizzard, then Thunder which gets me hate sometimes from from damage 50-110. I rarely cast Stone II or Water II unless we have weak hitting tanks.

I'm not sure I understand this point, you mean the BLM should cast more to even out the mp%? or to even out the hate? The second I understand the first I don't.

Also I think as a BLM there are times when it is ok to overnuke. In a case where I see all of our melee members' hp drop to orange or red (say after a goblin bomb) I will use whatever nuke I know will pull the mob to me long enough to let the WHM cure the tank. Then if the mob has hit me hard enough to worry me I let the WHM know ahead of time not to cure me for the simple fact that I'll have WHM subbed and I have drain.

Being a paladin, I've not had much trouble dealing with mages overnuking. I tend to cure/cure 2 the puller which gives me hate even before the first voke.