Small Raids?Follow

bot towers.

ldon raids can't be done by two poorly geared groups.

The hedge has a time limit, would need decent dps from that small raid.

You could do:

Grieg in Griegs End

Innorruuk and The Luggald Broodmother in Crypt of Nadox

Guardian of the Seal in The Hole

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overking in chardok

Edited, Oct 30th 2006 at 2:58pm PST by teamplay

I used to be the raid leader of a small guild that disbanded around the time WoW and EQ2 were released and was in a simliar position as you. I have to agree about Inny in Nadox being fun. My former guild usually had 12-20 players on during our raid nights, and Inny gave us a rough fight. (This is just before OoW was released and our members were mainly in pre-EP gear, level 65, and had 100AA on average.)

We had killed Doze in ToV's Halls of Testing previously, but killing Inny seemed like more of an accomplishment, since was was an actual god. Sure, by then Hate had been revamped for the second time and housed a harder version, but it was still a fun (and tough) fight for us at the time.

I really do suggest ToV too though as an option that hasn't been mentioned already. The loot is pretty outdated by now, but the dragons there are fun to fight and are good practice for other raid mobs you'll encounter later.

One other option that's not a really a raid is to use that time to coordinate guild groups for DoN single-group runs. Sure, you're not all together, but there won't be as much issue looking for pickup players, and the guild as a whole will likely benefit from the crystals. (More so than from most if not all the loot that's dropped from the raid mobs mentioned above.) The armor and weapons from crystals there can help you gear up for the tougher encounters much easier than a couple unwanted drops from a raid mob.

Whatever you do, the important thing is to make it fun for your guildmembers. I know firsthand that your guild's numbers are awkward to find content for, but hopefully just playing together with a common goal will make the raid enjoyable.

Tirian Trueblade
Paladin - Saryrn Server
Member of Immortal Trust

Hey, Eagle-eye, did you even read the OP's message? I'd love to see you solo Inny, or Lcea Katta, or the Hedge event, with a mediocre geared level 65-70 character. Brilliant reply there, chief.

Ikkinz Primals are good
KT, Ikkinz raid instances are good ( 1 , 2 and 3 )
Sleepers for fun
VT for action- once inside the castle that is and past the lower 1mil hp'd nameds, pops-pops-pops!
M'sha's/cynosure

The big mistake you're making is assuming that the people in question are all veteran raiders and have already nailed down group and raid roles. Nothing is more frustrating than spending hours putting together an event only to find out that youre not only unequipped, but not experienced enough to take on certain raid targets. Small raids are an essential endeavor to form a sense of accomplishment and group cohesion, and only add to the overall game experience. The worst mistake you can make as a raid leader is to introduce your guild to a series of unrealistic and overly difficult series of raids. It's all about having fun and celebrating guild accomplishments, and thus, it's best to practice on targets that not only present a challenge, but have a decent chance of success.

Take your time and enjoy the game. If you're more into the status of a raid-kill than the actual sense of group accomplishment, you're never going to be satisfied.

Kael for the Avatar of War is a good start, also Vindi and King Tormax. Other notables are nameds in Akheva Ruins, I remember raiding there a few years ago and believe its doable for 2-3 groups starting out. The loot isn't amazing, but if your more concerned about working fundamentals of raiding, those targets, along with the BoT towers and ToV's Halls of Testing are a good place to practice them (CC, pulling, balancing push, etc).

Also as mentioned, Thought Horror Overfiend is a good target, or the Burrower Parasite (maybe once you've got some experience under your belt, or with a few more people). Also, some named in Ssra Temple are decent too, XtC and Cursed cycle comes to mind.

These are a bunch of lame old world targets that net nothing for those people raiding, Try Menlo and the School leader in Nobles Causway, then look at doing the Furious Jailer,flight of the Seeker in Dodh,2-3 groups can make it through him and get some nice stuff,

Wow, some of these suggestions really make it evident some people are out of touch with the low-end game.

There's no way a bunch of inexperienced, poorly geared people are going to 2-3 group Ikkinz trials. Maybe after they were sporting Qvic gear, sure. About the only other way they could accomplish this prior to Qvic level gear is GM armour for all, fully auged with DoN augs of the highest lvl possible.

Now then, some of the lower end, 24-person DON raids should be an excellent source of experience and gear. As well, these people should already be working on DON missions, acquiring crystals, and buying their class specific DoN gear. An added bonus are the higher end raids with some high-quality gear like Circle of Drakes (assuming they can find someone flagged that high who can get the mission for them).

They can probably look to doing the tier 1 armours in PoR (Arcstone). The rares aren't particularly difficult to kill or find, especially now PoR isn't the newest expansion.

As well, contrary to the clueless poster jabbering on about the uselessness of ToV raids, let me say an Abashi staff from Vulak (no longer a ring event, but you should kill all N ToV named before engaging him) would easily be an upgrade for any monk these people might have. In addition, the N ToV raids may very well provide click or worn effects these people need, in addition to some halfway decent haste items (better than bazaar bought haste items), and they should be able to run through N ToV in a single weekend afternoon without too much concern for class composition.

Yxtta Primals are an idea if they have almost filled out on DON class armours.

I wager they will need better weapons and gear for their MT(s). A nice aggro weapon, a bit better than the DoN axes, would be the Bloodfrenzy from SSRA. Perhaps, if interested, they could continue through SSRA progression into VT, which also have a lot of nice worn effects on gear that isn't anything to sneeze at, and isn't beyond the abilities of 2-3 grps of poorly geared people. Another aggro weapon is the Blade of the Eclipse coming from a duoable/soloable rare (single grp for poorly geared people) in Stoneroot. On many servers this sword still sells for good cash so it may very well be a nice camp for their entire guild to fund things like GM armour for all.

Once they've done all this I wager easy DoDH missions will be wholly doable (prior to this I doubt their MT(s) would have enough hp to get missions done to farm gear to any great degree). If they can eventually work up to the hard level missions, or find people willing to sub them in prior to the cursor loot being awarded, they can then upgrade themselves a nice amount.

Now then, assuming they manage to farm a decent amount of gear from DoDH, they should be able to do Ikkinz 1-3 given enough effort and perseverance. However, I don't recommend this. Instead they may want to look at flagging their 2-3 groups for ToB access. Those flagging missions have some nice chest loot, and ToB itself has visible slot gear equivalent (and in some cases superior to) Qvic gear. The only problem with ToB for a small number of people is the need for a healer in each grp with grp heals as some of the trash MOBs have powerful AEs that could drop lower-geared folks very quickly.

All that should keep 2-3 grps of people pretty busy for a nice, long time. Long enough, in fact, that 1 to 3 more expansions will be released with more advancement opportunities for them to explore, assuming they do not become some sort of hardcore, 3-6 hours a day, every day raiders.

Edited, Oct 31st 2006 at 7:08am PST by Kaludram

Edited, Oct 31st 2006 at 7:10am PST by Kaludram

I would also consider doing the bridgekeeper... which is a somewhat fun raid once you have ti down... it is 100% a range fight... roll up on the bridge... get your best geared pally... as the MT... his job is to do nothing but stun the hell out of the bridgekeep and be ready to LOH himself... need a lot of rangers and pet classes... make a small group of nothing the following ( this group will be for the adds from behind the raid as they wander up the bridge )
this group should just wait for the mob to walk up the bridge... wait for it to come to you.. pally or sk for tank slower , bard or chanter ) keep the 2 mobs at base of the bridge dead) the rest of raid should kill the bridge keeper... have a cleric cast HOT on the pally.. the pally step off the bridge and start stunning the hell out of the bridge keeper... 2 adds will come running... have a second pally pick up one.. and mezz ,root offtank the other... have your second tank... also a pally cast a few heals on the Main pally to set up argo incase your MT died... the MT ( pally ) will never hit the bridge keeper .. the bridgekeeper is rooted in place.. just keep stunning him and do a CH rot on the pally .. all pet classes send in pets... they will have to chain cast pets.. rangers Bow the heck out of him... your pally will have to set up a hot key in /rs that says something along the lines of GET OFF THE BRIDGE... and a second on the say /rs OK attack NOW... as he does some type of an AE on anyone standing on the wooden part of the bridge... once the pally says /rs ok attack him now.. wizards casters pet people run on the bridge cast spells... send pets and get back to the stone part of the bridge...

the bridgekeeper drops a nice sword and a bow and some other things if i remember right...

but there are lots of easy targets out there that will gear you.. I would also consider doing the 1.5 raids... pick a class and start on them.. I would suggest the clerics... once they have the 1.5 a chest pops and the gear from the chest is also nice